Tactics and Formations (54 Viewers)

[Catenaccio]

I really don't like this Higuain-Mandzukic partnership. Higuain end up playing too deep. In the absence of Dybala and Pjaca, I would much rather see Cuadrado play as a support striker regardless of whether we play with 3 or 4 at the back. Cuadrado looks like our most dangerous threat between the lines.

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When Dybala is back, I think this could be an interesting formation with a back 4:

-----------------Buffon-------------------

Alves----Bonucci---Chiellini----Sandro

----Khedira----Marchisio----Pjanic-----

----------------Cuadrado----------------

-----------Dybala-----Higuain-----------

Cuadrado not a trequartista in the classic sense but I could see him roaming between the right and left flanks. More likely to shoot on his right foot from the left and more likely to cross from the right. I think it could be quite effective actually.

 

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[Hydde]

ill approve ANY formation that shows some sense of attacking minded tactics at this point.

whatver get us far and away of the 352 will do.

 

[Vialli_92]

ill approve ANY formation that shows some sense of attacking minded tactics at this point.

whatver get us far and away of the 352 will do.

As much as I would like to see us permanently move away from the 5-3-2/3-5-2 attacking tactics would be much appreciated.

 

[Nzoric]

As much as I would like to see us permanently move away from the 5-3-2/3-5-2 attacking tactics would be much appreciated.

 

[italiacalcio10]

I really don't like this Higuain-Mandzukic partnership. Higuain end up playing too deep. In the absence of Dybala and Pjaca, I would much rather see Cuadrado play as a support striker regardless of whether we play with 3 or 4 at the back. Cuadrado looks like our most dangerous threat between the lines.

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When Dybala is back, I think this could be an interesting formation with a back 4:

-----------------Buffon-------------------

Alves----Bonucci---Chiellini----Sandro

----Khedira----Marchisio----Pjanic-----

----------------Cuadrado----------------

-----------Dybala-----Higuain-----------

Cuadrado not a trequartista in the classic sense but I could see him roaming between the right and left flanks. More likely to shoot on his right foot from the left and more likely to cross from the right. I think it could be quite effective actually.

Cuadrado played a free role with Fiorentina where he was deployed centrally and did quite well. While he won't make space with his vision, his ability to run and dribble could open up space.

 

[Tak!]

Cuadrado played a free role with Fiorentina where he was deployed centrally and did quite well. While he won't make space with his vision, his ability to run and dribble could open up space.

And, hopefully, link midfield with attack.
I couldn't care less what kind of formation we have as long as all sections are intertwined and provides attacking options and dynamics (fluidness and creativity) and at the same time a solid defense.
So far my impression is that Allegri is having similar thoughts and Cuadrado has been roaming around a lot. But with two poachers in front of him it kind of doesn't matter if he links or not. Mandzu and Higuain need a supporting midfield/striker to properly work and neither of them excels in the role of support.

 

[ADP.10]

The 352 is very much suitable for the current squad. I don't see what your point is. The fact that we're not capable of making a successful string of passes at the moment has nothing to do with the formation. I feel like I'm repeating myself. The formation has nothing to do with our current "problem". We're simply still finding our feet.

Very wrong.

 

[Klin]

Very wrong.

Thanks.

 

[ADP.10]

Thanks.

Nice attitude of denial. Hope last game against genoa fixed that.

 

[zizinho]

i hope we play 352 forever and ADP gets banned for insulting Allegri in his sig

 

[Mike-e-y]

-----------------Buffon-------------------

Alves----Bonucci---Chiellini----Sandro

----Khedira----Marchisio----Pjanic-----

----------------Cuadrado----------------

-----------Dybala-----Higuain-----------

Cuadrado not a trequartista in the classic sense but I could see him roaming between the right and left flanks. More likely to shoot on his right foot from the left and more likely to cross from the right. I think it could be quite effective actually.

Definitely like this system, especially now bonnuci is out for a while. I'd put Pjanic where cuadrado is though and play lemina/Sturaro in cm. we need to stop playing players out of their best position

 

[MikeM]

4-3-1-2 is not the answer. I don't know how you can keep possession with that formation providing no width. The only times it seemed to work was when we had players like Pogba and Vidal as the outside CMs who were capable of drifting all the way to the touchline and running back inside. Someone like Khedira can't do that.

The 4-2-3-1 is a simple solution. The only player you are asking to perform a function outside of their comfort zone is Dybala as a RW. But even then, he has played there for Argentina and he will roam in the same areas he does as a SS. He will just have to be a bit more disciplined defensively.

Lichtsteiner-Rugani-Benatia-Alex Sandro
Marchisio-Khedira
Dybala-Pjanic-Cuadrado
Higuain​

Cuadrado cutting onto his shooting foot, drawing 4 defenders with Alex Sandro overlapping into half a field of space.

 

[Osman]

Cuadrado and Dybala can't play the positions you assigned them at all, so no it's not ideal.

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[Pirlo's Beard]

If we were to try a 4-2-3-1 We'd be better off with Dybala as a CF behind fat boy and Pjaca LAM, Cuads RAM

 

[Hust]

Go into FM mode and play Keane in the 3

 

[Mike-e-y]

4-3-1-2 is not the answer. I don't know how you can keep possession with that formation providing no width. The only times it seemed to work was when we had players like Pogba and Vidal as the outside CMs who were capable of drifting all the way to the touchline and running back inside. Someone like Khedira can't do that.

The 4-2-3-1 is a simple solution. The only player you are asking to perform a function outside of their comfort zone is Dybala as a RW. But even then, he has played there for Argentina and he will roam in the same areas he does as a SS. He will just have to be a bit more disciplined defensively.

Lichtsteiner-Rugani-Benatia-Alex Sandro
Marchisio-Khedira
Dybala-Pjanic-Cuadrado
Higuain​

Cuadrado cutting onto his shooting foot, drawing 4 defenders with Alex Sandro overlapping into half a field of space.

You mention width as a reason the 4312 won't work but then you ask for a 4231 with the wide players as players that would cut inside? No one bar Sandro could deliver a cross.

We need to play narrow as we've not got the players to play a system involving width. We need to either get more bodies or more grit in central midfield (and we don't have cms with grit). I can't remember the last time we won a ball back in the centre of the park - that's our real problem. Khedira is slow, Pjanic is lightweight and Marchisio isn't a ball winner.

 

[il brutto]

I hope we go with this tactic.

Buffon
Rugani Benatia Evra
Marchisio
Cuadrado Khedira Pjanic Alex Sandro
Higuain Mandzukic​

 

[zizinho]

352 without Bonucci

 

[MikeM]

Cuadrado and Dybala can't play the positions you assigned them at all, so no it's not ideal.

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We are stuck with putting players in positions that are not ideal in whatever formation we choose.

Our CMs right now can't cope with a 3-5-2 but in a 4-3-1-2 they are supposed to supply width in possession and then defend narrow (and also we are adding another CM from the Sturaro/Asamoah/Hernanes/Lemina category onto the pitch instead of Cuadrado)? So you can picture Khedira or a recovering Marchisio doing something like that but can't see Cuadrado playing the opposite wing?

Right now Marchisio is a holding mid because of his recovery. And Khedira is a holding mid, always has been, has always played there. Put both in front of the defence. Pjanic is a CAM, we all know that. He's not a left or a right mid, he should play in the centre. Higuain is a #9 and has always played by himself, so he's comfortable there.

The only questions you're asking is for Cuadrado to play the opposite wing, which he has done before. And for Dybala to play a little wider. But to be honest, he can probably do whatever he wants because Lichtsteiner won't be asked to attack.

I mean, we could play 3-5-2 with Benatia at sweeper and Evra beside him, I guess that is ideal? We could play 4-4-2 with Alex Sandro at LM and Pjanic on the bench or getting run around at CM?

 

[Ocelot]

We are stuck with putting players in positions that are not ideal in whatever formation we choose.

Our CMs right now can't cope with a 3-5-2 but in a 4-3-1-2 they are supposed to supply width in possession and then defend narrow (and also we are adding another CM from the Sturaro/Asamoah/Hernanes/Lemina category onto the pitch instead of Cuadrado)? So you can picture Khedira or a recovering Marchisio doing something like that but can't see Cuadrado playing the opposite wing?

Right now Marchisio is a holding mid because of his recovery. And Khedira is a holding mid, always has been, has always played there. Put both in front of the defence. Pjanic is a CAM, we all know that. He's not a left or a right mid, he should play in the centre. Higuain is a #9 and has always played by himself, so he's comfortable there.

The only questions you're asking is for Cuadrado to play the opposite wing, which he has done before. And for Dybala to play a little wider. But to be honest, he can probably do whatever he wants because Lichtsteiner won't be asked to attack.

I mean, we could play 3-5-2 with Benatia at sweeper and Evra beside him, I guess that is ideal? We could play 4-4-2 with Alex Sandro at LM and Pjanic on the bench or getting run around at CM?

Marchisio, is not playing holding mid because he's recovering, but because he's a fucking beast at that position, and it's his best position.
Khedira is better at B2B than in front of the defense, though his form right now is awful.
Pjanic is no CAM.
When has Dybala every played wide? Imo it's the same annoying tuz tradition as was the "Tevez can play as a winger" a while back.
Cuadrado is pretty bad at the opposite wing.

This really surprises me honestly, I actually find myself agreeing with you much more often than not, but in this post I find very little of how I'd view our team