Syrian civil war (6 Viewers)

[ReBeL]

Since more than 40 years, there was no choice ever for anybody to put himself as an alternative for the dictator and his father. They simply shoot him directly if he thinks of doing that. Do you think that is healthy?

 

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[Snoop]

Here is the list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Syria

 

[king Ale]

Some of my posts here aren't any serious, like forza bashar and fuck the haters etc.. But I am absolutely against the ones who want him down, those who are creating chaos in the country. Going to streets and asking changes and all, is all good, but asking him down? what else can he do? what would US government do if republicans act idiotically like this and ask Obama down? days after days? Of course it's not the same thing, and I know the elections there is not as funny as it is here. But believe it or not, he has more supporters than haters. The protesters on the street in total doesn't even make a million (I gave you a generous number), and that's 1/22 of the number I am talking about.. Sure he has much more haters, a few millions.. But the majority are in his support, so I don't think there is any room for discussion here, about him stepping down, I am with him on this..

As for the changes, reforms.. I am totally with it, but the protesters' demands are not that, if it was the case, they would give messages to the government, give him like one month time for example, and see what he does. nothing done until then? then what makes the stop going down to street again one month later? Am I thinking wrong here?

Syrian system is one of the rare countries that keeps religion away from laws, and I don't want that to change, and this is for the good of the country (the religion connection), and you know this better than me, as you suffered the most..

You think I am president's admirer? ofcourse not, from day one I make fun of his works. But Syria was also one of the rare countries that were away of troubles, away of wars, terrorist attacks, you would walk safely at night by yourself, less crime rates, rare drug dealers and the kinds, am I being selfish for asking this to continue?

You think I don't want the country to change and be like other EU countries? sure I do, but the people should change their lifestyles first, the government later. and I don't think the one who will replace him will come with his magic stick and change everything, plus, there is no other alternative either, this was a good opportunity to show off, but I didn't hear about any sane candidate yet..

All we hear is "We want freedom" "We want Bashar to leave" blah blah.. I don't see anyone talking about his plans, or at least tell us how should a leader be, or what should do to the country.

For these I don't support the protesters or the oppositions, because none of them have clear ideas, they only want to take part of the cake, they are only after power, until I hear those, I am cool with this one.

I hear you Snoop, my question, however, is that how you can approve of a government killing its own people? People came to street to protest, to ask for change/reform or yea, even to demand Bashar to step down. Is this the way a government should treat its people? One bullet, one shot, one victim and you are a criminal who has to go even in the eyes of those who were in the streets demanding "change". And I'm not talking about only one bullet and one protester shot dead, I'm talking about hundreds of them.

I saw you relating the news coming out from Syria to those who have an agenda against Syrian government but it's the most delusional thing to say in the world we live today. I'm saying this because I lived with it during the protests in Iran. Police opened fire on people. The video spread widely on the net, our government claimed that it was fake. A girl shot dead, cameras filmed her last minutes of life, our government claimed that she was funded by the Zionists to pretend to be dead but the Zionists betrayed her and killed her for real []. FFS, we are living in the 21st century, you can't keep the cameras from filming, today, you can't prevent the information from spreading to the whole world in a few minutes. I know Bashar gets instructed by our government to how control the uproar but this tactic (accusing foreigners, USA and Israel) is freaking overused and totally nonsensical.

I never knew well about the Syrian regime but to me, people all over the world must be given the right to protest and the governments have to bear up with that. I had no knowledge about how good/bad Bashar had been for the Syrians but now that he's been killing his people, he is a war criminal to me who has to step down.

And I won't buy the big figure you bring up to describe the number of his supporters. Who in his right mind with as many supporters as Bashar allegedly has would be against free and fair elections?

 

[ReBeL]

Here is the list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Syria

Have you read this?

This article lists political parties in Syria. While not formally a single-party state, all political life in Syria is controlled by the Baath Party through a political "front", much like in the former German Democratic Republic. Article 8 of the constitution provides that "the Arab Socialist Baath Party leads society and the state". Since 1972, other parties that accept the leadership role of the Baath Party and support the government's socialist and Arab nationalist orientation have been allowed to operate under severe restrictions, as members of the National Progressive Front. Most of them are essentially reduced to tools of the government.

 

[Azzurri7]

Here is the list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Syria

Okay

 

[ReBeL]

I never knew well about the Syrian regime but to me, people all over the world must be given the right to protest and the governments have to bear up with that. I had no knowledge about how good/bad Bashar had been for the Syrians but now that he's been killing his people, he is a war criminal to me who has to step down.

 

[Snoop]

I hear you Snoop, my question, however, is that how you can approve of a government killing its own people? People came to street to protest, to ask for change/reform or yea, even to demand Bashar to step down. Is this the way a government should treat its people? One bullet, one shot, one victim and you are a criminal who has to go even in the eyes of those who were in the streets demanding "change". And I'm not talking about only one bullet and one protester shot dead, I'm talking about hundreds of them.

I saw you relating the news coming out from Syria to those who have an agenda against Syrian government but it's the most delusional thing to say in the world we live today. I'm saying this because I lived with it during the protests in Iran. Police opened fire on people. The video spread widely on the net, our government claimed that it was fake. A girl shot dead, cameras filmed her last minutes of life, our government claimed that she was funded by the Zionists to pretend to be dead but the Zionists betrayed her and killed her for real []. FFS, we are living in the 21st century, you can't keep the cameras from filming, today, you can't prevent the information from spreading to the whole world in a few minutes. I know Bashar gets instructed by our government to how control the uproar but this tactic (accusing foreigners, USA and Israel) is freaking overused and totally nonsensical.

I never knew well about the Syrian regime but to me, people all over the world must be given the right to protest and the governments have to bear up with that. I had no knowledge about how good/bad Bashar had been for the Syrians but now that he's been killing his people, he is a war criminal to me who has to step down.

And I won't buy the big figure you bring up to describe the number of his supporters. Who in his right mind with as many supporters as Bashar allegedly has would be against free and fair elections?

I can't disagree with you on the way people are dying. Any kind of death is tragedy, and watching it makes people angry and think about the subject emotionally..

I don't buy what media offers, neither Syrian official TV, or Human right's watch (side note, most of human right's watch members here are political activist or opposition, and I am not making this out of my ass, you can read it about them on Jazeera or BBC under their name, like "Member of human right's watch and opposition of Syrian government, or member of X party" . I watch and listen most of the sides and try to make logical conclusions, and it is really hard to understand in this case.

But you tell me, how would other countries act against non-legal demonstrations or protests? for example are you aware of death trolls of Kurds who demonstrate against Erdogan, Arab's hero? And yet he tries to teach Syria on how they should act..

Bush, Obama, Sarkozy, Barak and the likes can't come here to tell how Syria how to react. Humans are humans, killing yours or others are the same to me, Bashar is no saint, and he is not any worse than those I mentioned, who kill others for oil.. Let's not fool ourselves, this is the world we are living in, any leader would kill for money or power, and this doesn't mean I am supporting the idea, but that's how the politics run..

 

[ReBeL]

Regarding the numbers you mentioned, Snoop, here is a result of a study about the opinion of Syrians in 2010:

http://www.pepperdine.edu/pr/images...august/Syria Survey Report_August 5_final.pdf

Read the conclusion on pages 29 and 30 if you don't want to read the whole report.

 

[ReBeL]

how would other countries act against non-legal demonstrations or protests?

Who can specify if that demonstration is legal or illegal?

 

[king Ale]

I can't disagree with you on the way people are dying. Any kind of death is tragedy, and watching it makes people angry and think about the subject emotionally..

I don't buy what media offers, neither Syrian official TV, or Human right's watch (side note, most of human right's watch members here are political activist or opposition, and I am not making this out of my ass, you can read it about them on Jazeera or BBC under their name, like "Member of human right's watch and opposition of Syrian government, or member of X party" . I watch and listen most of the sides and try to make logical conclusions, and it is really hard to understand in this case.

But you tell me, how would other countries act against non-legal demonstrations or protests? for example are you aware of death trolls of Kurds who demonstrate against Erdogan, Arab's hero? And yet he tries to teach Syria on how they should act..

Bush, Obama, Sarkozy, Barak and the likes can't come here to tell how Syria how to react. Humans are humans, killing yours or others are the same to me, Bashar is no saint, and he is not any worse than those I mentioned, who kill others for oil.. Let's not fool ourselves, this is the world we are living in, any leader would kill for money or power, and this doesn't mean I am supporting the idea, but that's how the politics run..

What is illegal demonstrations? Define that to me so that I could think of that happening in somewhere like England, for example.

 

[Snoop]

Who can specify if that demonstration is legal or illegal?

you take permission by governments to make protests, yes even against them. It's funny, but that's how the rules are worldwide..

 

[Snoop]

Regarding the numbers you mentioned, Snoop, here is a result of a study about the opinion of Syrians in 2010:

http://www.pepperdine.edu/pr/images...august/Syria Survey Report_August 5_final.pdf

Read the conclusion on pages 29 and 30 if you don't want to read the whole report.

what are these? stats? lol, no one asked my opinion. You can ask my opinions about stats to Alen..

 

[ReBeL]

you take permission by governments to make protests, yes even against them. It's funny, but that's how the rules are worldwide..

You know that people believed this when the martial law was lifted in Syria before one month, but those poor people who believed that and went to get permission were put in jail directly.

what are these? stats? lol, no one asked my opinion. You can ask my opinions about stats to Alen..

I don't believe in statistics too, but I just wanted to show you that you can't say that 1 million is just against Bashar because simply nobody has the tool to know the opinions of your people as long as the regime is controlling eveything over there.

 

[Snoop]

What is illegal demonstrations? Define that to me so that I could think of that happening in somewhere like England, for example.

it happened in England, and a demonstrator was killed. Not at this size ofcourse, small one, and it ended with a death. this happened a few weeks ago.

I answered Rebel because he asked the same question. A protest is illegal unless you take permission.

 

[Snoop]

You know that people believed this when the martial law was lifted in Syria before one month, but those poor people who believed that and went to get permission were put in jail directly.



I don't believe in statistics too, but I just wanted to show you that you can't say that 1 million is just against Bashar because simply nobody has the tool to know the opinions of your people as long as the regime is controlling eveything over there.

It's not the martial law that were stopping demonstrates to go to street, you just can't make an organization and go down to street to protest something without asking a permission, this is not just in Syria.

That's a pure fabrication (the red part)

 

[king Ale]

it happened in England, and a demonstrator was killed. Not at this size ofcourse, small one, and it ended with a death. this happened a few weeks ago.

I answered Rebel because he asked the same question. A protest is illegal unless you take permission.

:wth: Even in our constitutional law, people are allowed to protest as long as they 1- don't insult Islam and 2- don't harm other people. And what if the government doesn't give you the permission?

 

[ReBeL]

It's not the martial law that were stopping demonstrates to go to street, you just can't make an organization and go down to street to protest something without asking a permission, this is not just in Syria.

That's a pure fabrication (the red part)

Yeah, it is all fabricated, and the evidence is that nobody is killed during demonstrations these days in Syria.

 

[Snoop]

:wth: Even in our constitutional law, people are allowed to protest as long as they 1- don't insult Islam and 2- don't harm other people. And what if the government doesn't give you the permission?

you see police/army against you, just like it happens in England or France or Turkey.

Yeah, it is all fabricated, and the evidence is that nobody is killed during demonstrations these days in Syria.

this post was like 10 year old's reply. Stop arguing with me from now on, we are wasting time..

 

[king Ale]

you see police/army against you, just like it happens in England or France or Turkey.

So it's all lawful if the government never allows you to protest

 

[Snoop]

So it's all lawful if the government never allows you to protest

I didn't invent these rules, that's how it rolls, it's not like I am not with you on this