Syrian civil war (13 Viewers)
- Thread starter ReBeL
- Start date
Believe it or not, the majority of Syrians are with the president. The fanatic Muslims who want an Islamic state, or want "Muslim brotherhood" in charge, the same can be said about the Libyan members here, are the ones who want the government down.
All these are based on religion, Arabs fight each other for years because of religion, shi3a against Sunni, and Sunnis again Shi3a or Alawis. all racing and killing each others to take control.
All these are based on religion, Arabs fight each other for years because of religion, shi3a against Sunni, and Sunnis again Shi3a or Alawis. all racing and killing each others to take control.
That was actually one of my hidden questions. Can people in Bahrain and Syria (I know Iraq was a similar case, remind me if there is more) unite against a dictatorship, even if they're all against it or will the Sunni's rather support a Sunni leader than unite with the Shia (or vice-versa as it is the case in Syria)?
Also, I noticed you and Gaith jokingly talking how you'd rather not talk shit on the net about the leaders so I'm somehow having problems to read you because I don't know how much of what you guys, including Rami, say is your true opinion and how much of it is just a make up due to some fear.
Logically, if there was fear and you were against Bashar you'd rather keep quiet and not defend him or attack him at all (I think Gaith is doing that
), but you for example aren't quiet at all
Also, I noticed you and Gaith jokingly talking how you'd rather not talk shit on the net about the leaders so I'm somehow having problems to read you because I don't know how much of what you guys, including Rami, say is your true opinion and how much of it is just a make up due to some fear.
Logically, if there was fear and you were against Bashar you'd rather keep quiet and not defend him or attack him at all (I think Gaith is doing that
), but you for example aren't quiet at all @ Alen:
Not to forget, the opposition hates that we have brothels in Syria, or you know Bars/Super night clubs, I don't know what you call those there, they hate that there are some places that offer alcoholic drinks, hate that Syria produces Alcoholic drinks (this rarely happens in Arab/Islamic world), they hate that it is allowed to sell porn CDs, they forced the government to close the Casinos, like 30 years ago I think, and they stand against opening again, things like these..
Syria does these, so it is very infidel you know, they want all women wear hijabs, like Saudi Arabia or Iran. This government is not any good, but it is good to fight these ideas, people who think this way..
Not to forget, the opposition hates that we have brothels in Syria, or you know Bars/Super night clubs, I don't know what you call those there, they hate that there are some places that offer alcoholic drinks, hate that Syria produces Alcoholic drinks (this rarely happens in Arab/Islamic world), they hate that it is allowed to sell porn CDs
, they forced the government to close the Casinos, like 30 years ago I think, and they stand against opening again, things like these.. Syria does these, so it is very infidel you know, they want all women wear hijabs, like Saudi Arabia or Iran. This government is not any good, but it is good to fight these ideas, people who think this way..
That was actually one of my hidden questions. Can people in Bahrain and Syria (I know Iraq was a similar case, remind me if there is more) unite against a dictatorship, even if they're all against it or will the Sunni's rather support a Sunni leader than unite with the Shia (or vice-versa as it is the case in Syria)?
Also, I noticed you and Gaith jokingly talking how you'd rather not talk shit on the net about the leaders so I'm somehow having problems to read you because I don't know how much of what you guys, including Rami, say is your true opinion and how much of it is just a make up due to some fear.
Logically, if there was fear and you were against Bashar you'd rather keep quiet and not defend him or attack him at all (I think Gaith is doing that), but you for example aren't quiet at all
Also, I noticed you and Gaith jokingly talking how you'd rather not talk shit on the net about the leaders so I'm somehow having problems to read you because I don't know how much of what you guys, including Rami, say is your true opinion and how much of it is just a make up due to some fear.
Logically, if there was fear and you were against Bashar you'd rather keep quiet and not defend him or attack him at all (I think Gaith is doing that
), but you for example aren't quiet at all
The same goes in Turkey for example, there is the Erdogan's party (religious one, who is taking the country backward), and the one who want the country and it's law away from the religion, people don't pick these guys because of their projects and plans for the country, they do it for the same reason I am talking about, religion based lows or not.
That was actually one of my hidden questions. Can people in Bahrain and Syria (I know Iraq was a similar case, remind me if there is more) unite against a dictatorship, even if they're all against it or will the Sunni's rather support a Sunni leader than unite with the Shia (or vice-versa as it is the case in Syria)?
Also, I noticed you and Gaith jokingly talking how you'd rather not talk shit on the net about the leaders so I'm somehow having problems to read you because I don't know how much of what you guys, including Rami, say is your true opinion and how much of it is just a make up due to some fear.
Logically, if there was fear and you were against Bashar you'd rather keep quiet and not defend him or attack him at all (I think Gaith is doing that), but you for example aren't quiet at all
Also, I noticed you and Gaith jokingly talking how you'd rather not talk shit on the net about the leaders so I'm somehow having problems to read you because I don't know how much of what you guys, including Rami, say is your true opinion and how much of it is just a make up due to some fear.
Logically, if there was fear and you were against Bashar you'd rather keep quiet and not defend him or attack him at all (I think Gaith is doing that
), but you for example aren't quiet at all
There is to choice for me to pick, either this government, or the extremist who want to make this place something like Afghanistan. You know which one I pick
You're not that far off the mark to be honest. I have loads of Syrian friends here, a considerable number of them, even when they're against the government, they say that its the people around Bashar, mostly of the old guard that were with his Father Hafiz, that are ruining the country and not Bashar. I always have a hard time believeing that, because i strongly doubt Bashar is a weak character that can be manipulated like that. Some people say that Bashar wasn't supposed to be a president anyway, if his brother Basil who was being groomed for presidency hadn't died. Still, Syria is a country with almost zero freedoms, i dare anyone to name me an Arab country that has less freedoms than Syria, Libya excluded. Political prisoners are in the thousands, there is no freedom of press, there is no freedom of speech, there are no elections, the Assad family keep inheriting the country like its their property, there is so much corruption, and a big percentage of Syrians are poor as a result. So either Bashar is a terrible dictator, or he's a weak character that is being manipulated by the people around him. In either case he doesn't deserve the presidency.
Another significant issue in Syria, the Alawites are a minority in Syria, but they have the major positions in the country and they have the presidency, the army's top officials are mostly Alawites, that is why their situation if their people decide to rebel, is going to be even more complicated than Libya. Their case is kind of like the Sunni's in Bahrain.
Oh and just to quash the theory that me and Abed especially cannot be biased against Bashar, more than we are on other Arab leaders. Just look at Syria's foreign policy, it isn't that great, but relatively to other Arab countries, they are probably the most anti Israel regime. They support Hezbollah, which was the main reason Israeli's lost the was in Lebanon. So actually, when you look at his foreign policy, you'd see that he's better than any other Arab regime. But there is no doubting that the Syrian regime is a terrible dictatorship, without doubt worse than Tunisia and Egypt.
At the risk of sounding like i'm using an idiom to support my argument(i'm not) but the saying "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" applies here. Hafiz was a terrible murderer and criminal, his son in time will prove that he's no different. He started already today, what happened in Dara'a today is just a start.
You know we heard the same thing in Egypt, the muslim brotherhood is going to take over. We heard the same in Libya, pro Gedaffi people say that this whole revolution thing is caused by Al Qaeda and religious fanatics, and now we're hearing the same in Syria. It's an overused argument that gets proven wrong everytime. It will in Syria too when hopefully Bashar
Another significant issue in Syria, the Alawites are a minority in Syria, but they have the major positions in the country and they have the presidency, the army's top officials are mostly Alawites, that is why their situation if their people decide to rebel, is going to be even more complicated than Libya. Their case is kind of like the Sunni's in Bahrain.
Oh and just to quash the theory that me and Abed especially cannot be biased against Bashar, more than we are on other Arab leaders. Just look at Syria's foreign policy, it isn't that great, but relatively to other Arab countries, they are probably the most anti Israel regime. They support Hezbollah, which was the main reason Israeli's lost the was in Lebanon. So actually, when you look at his foreign policy, you'd see that he's better than any other Arab regime. But there is no doubting that the Syrian regime is a terrible dictatorship, without doubt worse than Tunisia and Egypt.
At the risk of sounding like i'm using an idiom to support my argument(i'm not) but the saying "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" applies here. Hafiz was a terrible murderer and criminal, his son in time will prove that he's no different. He started already today, what happened in Dara'a today is just a start.
You know we heard the same thing in Egypt, the muslim brotherhood is going to take over. We heard the same in Libya, pro Gedaffi people say that this whole revolution thing is caused by Al Qaeda and religious fanatics, and now we're hearing the same in Syria. It's an overused argument that gets proven wrong everytime. It will in Syria too when hopefully Bashar
@ Alen:
Not to forget, the opposition hates that we have brothels in Syria, or you know Bars/Super night clubs, I don't know what you call those there, they hate that there are some places that offer alcoholic drinks, hate that Syria produces Alcoholic drinks (this rarely happens in Arab/Islamic world), they hate that it is allowed to sell porn CDs, they forced the government to close the Casinos, like 30 years ago I think, and they stand against opening again, things like these..
Syria does these, so it is very infidel you know, they want all women wear hijabs, like Saudi Arabia or Iran. This government is not any good, but it is good to fight these ideas, people who think this way..
Not to forget, the opposition hates that we have brothels in Syria, or you know Bars/Super night clubs, I don't know what you call those there, they hate that there are some places that offer alcoholic drinks, hate that Syria produces Alcoholic drinks (this rarely happens in Arab/Islamic world), they hate that it is allowed to sell porn CDs
, they forced the government to close the Casinos, like 30 years ago I think, and they stand against opening again, things like these.. Syria does these, so it is very infidel you know, they want all women wear hijabs, like Saudi Arabia or Iran. This government is not any good, but it is good to fight these ideas, people who think this way..
Only uneducated people are like that. I'm Sunni, but i support the revolution in Bahrain, i believe the Shiites there are being denied a lot of their rights just for being Shiite. But do you think that the Shiites are being treated unfairly because of religious reasons only? I don't think the Arab rulers who most of them fuck women and drink alcohol care that much about religion, its just the assumption that Shiites will never be loyal to them, because they'd always wish one of their own would rule, but Sunni's are more likely to be loyal.
You are basing your whole argument on what few friends of you told you, and you act like you know Syria and the Syrians, how they think, what's going on in the country etc etc..
The pressure on Syria was always hard from the international community, Syria was never an ass licking country when it came to politics, and for that they have this "evil" brand stuck by the media and other countries.
Syria had two troubles, Kurds and Muslim brotherhood.. Some Kurds here are dreaming to split from this country and unite with their dream called "Kurdistan", which are part of Iraq, Turkey etc.. They managed to do it in Iraq, but failed in Turkey and specially Syria. Because the government are brutal here.
The Brotherhood here wanted to make this country an Islamic state, again, the brutal government denied them and their sympathizers. The main problem in this country are these, yes, they way they fought wasn't nice, but there is no other way to fight these ideas.
Corrupt? Which Arab/Muslim country doesn't have this problem? and lately it is decreasing day by day.
I said it million times, there are a lot o extremist in this country, they worship Bin Laden and the likes, they love those ideas, they want to make this place just like it was when prophet Muhammad was around, they want to ban everything. And there are a lot who are against these ideas, who hate to see the country based on ethnics or religion, just like it is in Lebanon.
The pressure on Syria was always hard from the international community, Syria was never an ass licking country when it came to politics, and for that they have this "evil" brand stuck by the media and other countries.
Syria had two troubles, Kurds and Muslim brotherhood.. Some Kurds here are dreaming to split from this country and unite with their dream called "Kurdistan", which are part of Iraq, Turkey etc.. They managed to do it in Iraq, but failed in Turkey and specially Syria. Because the government are brutal here.
The Brotherhood here wanted to make this country an Islamic state, again, the brutal government denied them and their sympathizers. The main problem in this country are these, yes, they way they fought wasn't nice, but there is no other way to fight these ideas.
Corrupt? Which Arab/Muslim country doesn't have this problem? and lately it is decreasing day by day.
I said it million times, there are a lot o extremist in this country, they worship Bin Laden and the likes, they love those ideas, they want to make this place just like it was when prophet Muhammad was around, they want to ban everything. And there are a lot who are against these ideas, who hate to see the country based on ethnics or religion, just like it is in Lebanon.
Before you posted this I fixed it, check it now.
There is no problem with Sunnis in this country, all of Syrians have the same rights here. Kurdish people only had problems in this case, thou the situation is much better now, I have dozens of Kurdish customers, and they are all rich.
Not to forget, there are a lot of uneducated people like you said here, and those are the ones mostly making the troubles. You think I would stand against some educated politician's revolution? That will make this place just like it is (religion wise) and even better?
There is no problem with Sunnis in this country, all of Syrians have the same rights here. Kurdish people only had problems in this case, thou the situation is much better now, I have dozens of Kurdish customers, and they are all rich.
Not to forget, there are a lot of uneducated people like you said here, and those are the ones mostly making the troubles. You think I would stand against some educated politician's revolution? That will make this place just like it is (religion wise) and even better?
You might have misunderstood me, i said that even those who are against the government from the Syrians a big percentage of them are not against Bashar, which baffles me for the reasons i mentioned above.
As for the muslim brotherhood, well if you can take out the dictator Bashar, then the people who would drive the revolution will probably want fair and transparent elections. If the majority vote for the muslim brotherhood, so be it, thats what the people want. I personally have big doubts though, that they would win an election.
As for corruption, ya of course most if not all Arab countries are corrupt, but few are even close to Syria. Come on man, you know more than me about the corruption in Syria, everything works with bribery. I know a lot of people who have went to Syria and were shocked by how common bribery was over there.
As for the muslim brotherhood, well if you can take out the dictator Bashar, then the people who would drive the revolution will probably want fair and transparent elections. If the majority vote for the muslim brotherhood, so be it, thats what the people want. I personally have big doubts though, that they would win an election.
As for corruption, ya of course most if not all Arab countries are corrupt, but few are even close to Syria. Come on man, you know more than me about the corruption in Syria, everything works with bribery. I know a lot of people who have went to Syria and were shocked by how common bribery was over there.