Syrian civil war (13 Viewers)

[king Ale]

Iraq is a much more democratic country than it previously was at Saddam's era, it's not even up to question. The question is what's better; Living in a dictatorship state where any voice is being smothered but at the same time you can still have your head on your neck everyday you wake up if you live your life without any complaints. Or living in a place where you can have elections, can vote, there's noone to tell you what to do and what not to do but at the same time you can't feel secure even when walking on the streets.

I always think the right to live is the most basic and the most logical right for any human. I wouldn't want freedom and democracy at the expense of my life. But it's only me and not everyone necessarily thinks this way. Just take a look at what's going on in Syria, Bahrain and previously in Egypt and Tunisia. There are people whose priorities are different from mine so you can't say for sure what's better for Iraqi people. I agree that it had to be up to themselves whether to start a protest against Saddam or not but I'm pretty sure that Iraq was always going to be yet another middle-eastern country standing against their tyranny if the US hadn't invaded them.

 

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[Trequartista]

Iraq is a much more democratic country than it previously was at Saddam's era, it's not even up to question. The question is what's better; Living in a dictatorship state where any voice is being smothered but at the same time you can still have your head on your neck everyday you wake up if you live your life without any complaints. Or living in a place where you can have elections, can vote, there's noone to tell you what to do and what not to do but at the same time you can't feel secure even when walking on the streets.

I always think the right to live is the most basic and the most logical right for any human. I wouldn't want freedom and democracy at the expense of my life. But it's only me and not everyone necessarily thinks this way. Just take a look at what's going on in Syria, Bahrain and previously in Egypt and Tunisia. There are people whose priorities are different from mine so you can't say for sure what's better for Iraqi people. I agree that it had to be up to themselves whether to start a protest against Saddam or not but I'm pretty sure that Iraq was always going to be yet another middle-eastern country standing against their tyranny if the US hadn't invaded them.

I agree with everything you said here.

 

[ReBeL]

Iraq is a much more democratic country than it previously was at Saddam's era, it's not even up to question. The question is what's better; Living in a dictatorship state where any voice is being smothered but at the same time you can still have your head on your neck everyday you wake up if you live your life without any complaints. Or living in a place where you can have elections, can vote, there's noone to tell you what to do and what not to do but at the same time you can't feel secure even when walking on the streets.

I always think the right to live is the most basic and the most logical right for any human. I wouldn't want freedom and democracy at the expense of my life. But it's only me and not everyone necessarily thinks this way. Just take a look at what's going on in Syria, Bahrain and previously in Egypt and Tunisia. There are people whose priorities are different from mine so you can't say for sure what's better for Iraqi people. I agree that it had to be up to themselves whether to start a protest against Saddam or not but I'm pretty sure that Iraq was always going to be yet another middle-eastern country standing against their tyranny if the US hadn't invaded them.

Ok. Let's talk democracy only. Do you know that the party ruling Iraq now was not the one that won the elections?

 

[king Ale]

So?

I never claimed it to be perfect, I made a comparison and I still stand by it. Having different political parties which can compete with each other in the elections was what you could never see in Saddam's Iraq. Iraq IS a much more democratic country now because you can see the very first signs of democracy developing there.

It's not flawless, far from it actually but the signs of Iraq developing to a more and more democratic country is up there for everyone to see. It even becomes bolder when you compare it with the Saddams' Iraq. Little by little, the US government have to leave Iraq completely but the democratic structure that has been being established in the past few years will remain and keep the country from going into another dictatorship state.

 

[ReBeL]

So?

I never claimed it to be perfect, I made a comparison and I still stand by it. Having different political parties which can compete with each other in the elections was what you could never see in Saddam's Iraq. Iraq IS a much more democratic country now because you can see the very first signs of democracy developing there.

It's not flawless, far from it actually but the signs of Iraq developing to a more and more democratic country is up there for everyone to see. It even becomes bolder when you compare it with the Saddams' Iraq. Little by little, the US government have to leave Iraq completely but the democratic structure that has been being established in the past few years will remain and keep the country from going into another dictatorship state.

Actually, the elections have no meaning there as only Al-Maleki will rule the country regardless who wins. Is that better than Saddam? Why?

 

[Fred]

How is it?

In Iran they have elections, but it doesn't always matter who wins right? Ya, well its the same in Iraq.

Iraq is a much more democratic country than it previously was at Saddam's era, it's not even up to question. The question is what's better; Living in a dictatorship state where any voice is being smothered but at the same time you can still have your head on your neck everyday you wake up if you live your life without any complaints. Or living in a place where you can have elections, can vote, there's noone to tell you what to do and what not to do but at the same time you can't feel secure even when walking on the streets.

I always think the right to live is the most basic and the most logical right for any human. I wouldn't want freedom and democracy at the expense of my life. But it's only me and not everyone necessarily thinks this way. Just take a look at what's going on in Syria, Bahrain and previously in Egypt and Tunisia. There are people whose priorities are different from mine so you can't say for sure what's better for Iraqi people. I agree that it had to be up to themselves whether to start a protest against Saddam or not but I'm pretty sure that Iraq was always going to be yet another middle-eastern country standing against their tyranny if the US hadn't invaded them.

Iraq is more democratic than it was in the Saddam era and there are more freedoms thats true. But it still isn't even close to being a democratic country, protests are suppressed, and elections are not fair and they're certainly not honest. Above all that there is no security at all. I fail to see how Iraq now is better than Iraq under Saddam. The country is absolute chaos.

So?

I never claimed it to be perfect, I made a comparison and I still stand by it. Having different political parties which can compete with each other in the elections was what you could never see in Saddam's Iraq. Iraq IS a much more democratic country now because you can see the very first signs of democracy developing there.

It's not flawless, far from it actually but the signs of Iraq developing to a more and more democratic country is up there for everyone to see. It even becomes bolder when you compare it with the Saddams' Iraq. Little by little, the US government have to leave Iraq completely but the democratic structure that has been being established in the past few years will remain and keep the country from going into another dictatorship state.

Where are the signs of it turning into a democratic country? Only a month ago, citizens who were going out on protests were forcefully suppressed. Sectarian clashes happen all the time, and the government really hasn't done much to stop them. the country is absolutely chaotic and a lot of Iraqi's don't go there anymore, because the country is not safe enough. Just because on the outside it looks like they have real elections does not make it a democratic country.

Actually, the elections have no meaning there as only Al-Maleki will rule the country regardless who wins. Is that better than Saddam? Why?

Exactly.

 

[ReBeL]

Huge demonstrations resumed there.

AFP says that 5 demonstrators were killed in Hums city and Daraa city.
Reuters says that a demonstrator was killed near Damascus.

 

[king Ale]

Actually, the elections have no meaning there as only Al-Maleki will rule the country regardless who wins. Is that better than Saddam? Why?

If anything, Allawi ruling the country seems to be a better option for the US.

And yes, it is better than Iraq of Saddam in terms of democracy. As I said, the question is whether it was worthy to get close to becoming a democratic state at the expense of losing on safety and security.

In Iran they have elections, but it doesn't always matter who wins right? Ya, well its the same in Iraq.

No, you need to know better before making such comparisons. NO minority in Iran can have a political party be it a racial or a religious minority. Any election's candidates have to be confirmed qualified by the Guardian Council which consists of 12 members, six of whom are chosen by the supreme leader and the other six are chosen by head of Iranian Judiciary who is himself being appointed by the supreme leader. Despite being far from perfect, Iran can't even come close to Iraq in terms of being a democratic state.

Iraq is more democratic than it was in the Saddam era and there are more freedoms thats true. But it still isn't even close to being a democratic country, protests are suppressed, and elections are not fair and they're certainly not honest. Above all that there is no security at all. I fail to see how Iraq now is better than Iraq under Saddam. The country is absolute chaos.

That's what I was saying, the rest is pointless as I never claimed that Iraq is overall a better place for people to live in after Saddam.

 

[Azzurri7]

6 victims in Homs city and Daraá.

 

[king Ale]

According to our government, Syrian protesters have been funded by Zionists and the US to overturn the only anti-Zionist regime of the region

Bahrianis' on the other hand is a righteous one against a cruel dictatorship.

 

[delrey]

It makes perfect sense.

 

[Azzurri7]

According to our government, Syrian protesters have been funded by Zionists and the US to overturn the only anti-Zionist regime of the region

Bahrianis' on the other hand is a righteous one against a cruel dictatorship.

How lame. I wouldn't be shocked if Iran's government already sent some troops to help the Syrian Gov.

 

[Fred]

If anything, Allawi ruling the country seems to be a better option for the US.

And yes, it is better than Iraq of Saddam in terms of democracy. As I said, the question is whether it was worthy to get close to becoming a democratic state at the expense of losing on safety and security.



No, you need to know better before making such comparisons. NO minority in Iran can have a political party be it a racial or a religious minority. Any election's candidates have to be confirmed qualified by the Guardian Council which consists of 12 members, six of whom are chosen by the supreme leader and the other six are chosen by head of Iranian Judiciary who is himself being appointed by the supreme leader. Despite being far from perfect, Iran can't even come close to Iraq in terms of being a democratic state.



That's what I was saying, the rest is pointless as I never claimed that Iraq is overall a better place for people to live in after Saddam.

Being more democratic than Saddam ruled Iraq is not an achievement at all. Iran right now with all its deficiencies has more freedoms than Saddam's Iraq, that does not mean that Iran is a good place to live in. Fact of the matter is Iraq is a worse place to live in right now, the Americans have done nothing but wreak the country and steal its oil.

The difference between it and Libya, is that in Libya it all started with the peoples revolution against Gedaffi, and by the time the Americans intervened we already had an interim government to represent the peoples will. If we weren't so lucky, Libya might have turned into another Iraq, and in that case, would it have really been worth it?

 

[Fred]

How lame. I wouldn't be shocked if Iran's government already sent some troops to help the Syrian Gov.

I'd be surprised if they didn't.

 

[ReBeL]

The death toll for today is more than 20 now.

 

[king Ale]

Being more democratic than Saddam ruled Iraq is not an achievement at all. Iran right now with all its deficiencies has more freedoms than Saddam's Iraq, that does not mean that Iran is a good place to live in. Fact of the matter is Iraq is a worse place to live in right now, the Americans have done nothing but wreak the country and steal its oil.

The difference between it and Libya, is that in Libya it all started with the peoples revolution against Gedaffi, and by the time the Americans intervened we already had an interim government to represent the peoples will. If we weren't so lucky, Libya might have turned into another Iraq, and in that case, would it have really been worth it?

First, I never claimed that Iraq is a good place to live in, I have repeated myself already for three times, I didn't even claim that the situation there is better than it was in the Saddam's era. Second, I personally prefer to have my head safe first and then to think about freedom and democracy but many people don't think this way especially when being suppressed for a long time (as you saw this in Iran's post elections protests when the government clearly warned people to not go to the streets and that they would be shot otherwise, in Egypt, in Libya, Syria, Bahrain, Yemen, etc) so you can never say how Iraqis think of all this, you can never say what's better for them and you can never conclude that the situation is now worse. If there was a poll asking Iraqis what they'd rather; the current situation or the one they were living through under Saddam, we'd know whether you're right or not.

 

[ReBeL]

The latests say the people who wre killed today are 34.

 

[ReBeL]

AFP says yesterday's events resulted in killing 44 people.

 

[Fred]

This is terrible, absolutely terrible. I feel the Syrian situation is a lot harder than ours, at least we got hold of some weapons a few days after the start of our revolution. The Syrians on the other hand are helpless up until this moment. My heart goes out to them. Bashar is proving more and more what a cold blooded murderer he is.

 

[ReBeL]

This is terrible, absolutely terrible. I feel the Syrian situation is a lot harder than ours, at least we got hold of some weapons a few days after the start of our revolution. The Syrians on the other hand are helpless up until this moment. My heart goes out to them. Bashar is proving more and more what a cold blooded murderer he is.

The orrible thing is that some people are defending the Syrian regime as that regime is the only supporter for the resistance to Zionism. Look at waht Dr. Azmi Beshara said about those: