Syrian civil war (41 Viewers)

[Snoop]

As for the president speech, it was a complete disappointment.. I am not talking about the clowns in the congress (is that the name in English?), that's happening for ages, nothing new, they are no different than the chairs and tables in the room, they are part of the decoration.

My and many others' disappointment was his repetitive sarcasm and the laughs. He should have respected the deaths, and they should at least have a minute of silence in there, forget that, at least he could stop laughing or should have give his condolences to the families..

Apart from that, he should have talked about the changes, the two most important ones, emergency law and rights to have other parties (it's sad this is being discussed btw). He should have mention it, and give a specific date to make it happen. He should have give more details and talk more about it. I am afraid he is not taking the situation any seriously, Buseyna Shaaban's speech was more promising, I wish he didn't appear and speak, cause after listening him, everything is ruined and worrying more now.

He had a huge chance of staying in the lead, if he had picked a better words, I think he is being advised very badly, as it seems he doesn't have the experience to handle these crisis. It's sad, really sad, he has to do something very fast, otherwise the country will turn to a chaos, and civil war might be the end.

I understand thou he wants to give a strong image to the media, he doesn't want to panic and do everything is asked bu the opposition, but the two case I mentioned was a must and wouldn't show any sign of weakness, it would have shown good signs of communication with everyone, instead he declared war (I can't believe he mentioned that word ) against the opposition, internal or external.

Tomorrow will be the most important day I think, we will see where the country will go, and I am not optimist at all..

 

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[Delle Alpi]

I can't seem to watch this at work. What is it about?

It's disgusting to watch, they are clapping, and saying poems about Bashar how great he is, how much they love him, they will die for him, and the same BS we hear from coward Arab parliament members.

 

[Azzurri7]

As for the life standard, I am 100% with Rami, and I know he didn't say it is great here, it's much better than before. As for the numbers you gave Rab (salaries and stuff), yes it is true they are smaller number than other countries, but you are forgetting one thing also, many thins is ridiculously cheap than other countries, life is much easier than Lebanon for example, it's almost impossible for a poor to live in Lebanon, not the case here..

I agree with most of this post of yours. When I went to Syria everything was almost cheap I must say, which is good, very good thing. And you're also right, in Lebanon the poor people will struggle badly. I don't know how badly poor people struggle in Syria but what I wanted to say is that Syrian people in general have had enough of this situation and they want a change not only from economical point of view, and another thing I mentioned is that in Lebanon we vote for these asshole politicians, so if the economical situation isn't satisfying the party you voted for holds fully responsible (though they don't give a fuck most of the times like you know)... Whereas in Syria there's one man ruling and there's no opposition to cry for or a party at least to demand a change whether it's economical or anything else.

 

[Snoop]

No opposition party in a country is a terrible thing, and specially if most of the people are all uneducated. For this I wanted Bashar to stay, and at the same time to have other parties too, not because I am a fan of Bashar, but because it will turn to Iraq after the war.

Developments should be put step by step, first with getting rid of the clowns in the congress, then put educated people there, after that people will realize everything (there will be debates, unlike what we saw yesterday ). Removing him now and putting in someone else will not be any different, the new one will do the same, that's because people are learned to worship leaders all these years, so they will let him do whatever the new president want to do, I don't want that. You know what I mean?

Like I said, after Buseyna's speech, I was very optimist, that changes will arrive, but after yesterday, I am not optimist at all, I am expecting a civil war, cause it seems the guy in charge doesn't want to change anything..

 

[ReBeL]

You know something Abed? Remember before Iraq was invaded when more than 15million Iraqis went on the streets chanting for Saddam name and holding his picture? Few weeks later when the country got invaded they were bringing his statutes down including tearing his wallpapers all over the cities and celebrating. What I saw yesterday also reminds me of how people were chanting for his name but I can bet my life the moment he's too close to be taken down they will all spit on him it's just that not they don't have the balls for it.

Very few people like this man in Syria, very few. The ones that like him are not impressed with the he's running the country but more because they're benefiting from him on personal levels.

As for what happened in Latakia yesterday, I saw the videos.... Horrible, really horrible.

As for the president speech, it was a complete disappointment.. I am not talking about the clowns in the congress (is that the name in English?), that's happening for ages, nothing new, they are no different than the chairs and tables in the room, they are part of the decoration.

My and many others' disappointment was his repetitive sarcasm and the laughs. He should have respected the deaths, and they should at least have a minute of silence in there, forget that, at least he could stop laughing or should have give his condolences to the families..

Apart from that, he should have talked about the changes, the two most important ones, emergency law and rights to have other parties (it's sad this is being discussed btw). He should have mention it, and give a specific date to make it happen. He should have give more details and talk more about it. I am afraid he is not taking the situation any seriously, Buseyna Shaaban's speech was more promising, I wish he didn't appear and speak, cause after listening him, everything is ruined and worrying more now.

He had a huge chance of staying in the lead, if he had picked a better words, I think he is being advised very badly, as it seems he doesn't have the experience to handle these crisis. It's sad, really sad, he has to do something very fast, otherwise the country will turn to a chaos, and civil war might be the end.

I understand thou he wants to give a strong image to the media, he doesn't want to panic and do everything is asked bu the opposition, but the two case I mentioned was a must and wouldn't show any sign of weakness, it would have shown good signs of communication with everyone, instead he declared war (I can't believe he mentioned that word ) against the opposition, internal or external.

Tomorrow will be the most important day I think, we will see where the country will go, and I am not optimist at all..

A big for both of you

 

[ReBeL]

Brilliant song by the great Sameeh Shqair about what happened in Daraa

 

[ReBeL]

Assad: The Arab Spring stops here


He was not a humble President. He did not give way. There were hints, of course – an end to emergency legislation, "reforms" – but when he spoke yesterday, trying to calm a crisis that has seen more than 60 people killed in a fortnight and threatens his very office, President Bashar al-Assad of Syria did not give the impression of a man on the run.

Was it Libya that gave him the "oomph" to go on, the encouragement to stand up and say that "reform is not a seasonable issue" – an accurate translation of his belief that Syria does not have to conform to the Middle East revolution? Either way, the Baath party is going to fight on. Assad remains the President of Syria. No change.

Well, of course, we shall see. Muammar Gaddafi of Libya is not a wise example to follow in time of need. Friday is another day, the traditional day of memorial and trial and questioning. If he can get through tomorrow without further killing in Deraa and Latakia, Assad may make it. He is young, his wife – wrongly derided by those who hate Syria – is a great asset to him, and his rule has banished the worst excesses of his father, Hafez. But – and it is a big "but" – torture does continue, the iniquities of the mukhabarat security services continue, freedom in Syria is as hard to find as an oasis in the desert, and the Syrian parliament remains, in the words of Al Jazeera's analyst Marwan Beshara, "a circus of support".

Yet there are more "buts" in Syria. It is a hard, tough country, without the avenues to free speech which were available in Egypt, to be sure, but a centre of Arab nationalism. Not for nothing do Syrians shout Um al Arabiya Wahida ("mother of one Arab nation"). Not for nothing do Syrians remember that they and they alone opposed the Sykes-Picot agreement that divided the region between France and Britain in 1916 with force of arms, their horse-riding army mowed down by French tanks at the battle of Maysaloon, their king given the monarchy of Iraq as a consolation prize by Winston Churchill.

This does not justify Bashar's autocratic rule. But it says something about it. Syrians do not obey the rules. Syrians do not follow the other Arabs like sheep. They fought harder than any others for a Palestinian-Israeli peace – which Assad described as "stagnant" yesterday, the unrest a "test for the nation" rather than a test for the President. In truth, the Hauran region – Deraa is in the Hauran, the scene of a fearsome series of government killings last week – has always been rebellious, even under French rule. But can Bashar al-Assad hold his country together?

He has managed, with a minority Alawite power (for which read Shia), to bring the Sunni Muslim majority of Syria into the economic establishment. Indeed, the Sunnis are the economy of Syria, a powerful elite who have no interest in unrest, disunity or foreign plots. It was odd that Assad talked about foreign "conspiracies" yesterday. It's an old adage that does him no credit; foreign "conspiracies" have always been discovered when dictators feel unsafe. Yet Damascus has been attacked by Israeli agents and Saddamist agents and Turkish right-wing agents over the past 40 years. It has a resonance, this talk of the moamarer – the "plot" – which makes Syrians into patriots rather than freedom fighters.

Of course, there is a lot wrong with Syria – and Bashar al-Assad may have pushed his luck yesterday, failing to announce the "reforms" and freedoms that Syrians expected of him. Instead of "God, Syria and Bashar", it was "God, Syria and my People" – but was that enough? He would not make reforms under pressure – "reforms", by the way, means democracy – but he surely is under pressure when government snipers have shot down the innocent in the streets of Syria's cities. He may not be in a mood for concessions. But is Syria not in need of these?

Its economy floats near bankruptcy – it was judged by the Swedish diplomatic corps to be unaffected by the West's economic catastrophe on the grounds that it did not really exist – and its Kurdish minority in the north are in a state of semi-revolt. But Assad has two friends who give him power: the Hizbollah in Lebanon and the Islamic Republic of Iran. If the Israelis need peace in Lebanon, they need Assad, and if Assad wants to maintain his regional power, he needs Iran. Syria is the Arab gate through which Iran can walk. Iran is the Muslim gate through which Assad – and remember, he is an Alawite and therefore a Shia – can walk.

It is all too easy for Madame Clinton to berate Syria for killing its own people – a phrase she does not, of course, use for Bahrain – but the Americans need Syria to extract their last troops from Iraq. It is also easy to turn Syria's problems into sectarianism. Nikolaos Van Dam, a brilliant Dutch diplomat, wrote a fine book emphasising that the struggle for power in Syria lay with the Alawites and that this minority effectively governed the country.

Yet Syria has always remained a unitary state, and it has complied with the West's demands for security co-operation – until the Americans came across the border into Syria and shot up a Syrian security agent's house. So compliant has it been that the US actually sent a poor Canadian to Damascus – "renditioned", in the popular phrase – to be atrociously tortured and kept in a sewer until the Americans realised he was innocent and sheepishly allowed him to return to Toronto.

These, needless, to say, are not issues which are going to be discussed on the television news shows or by the US Secretary of State – who is so concerned about the innocents of Libya that her air force is bombing Gaddafi but is so little concerned about the innocents of Syria that her air force will definitely not be bombing Syria.

Syria needs to be renewed. It does need an end to emergency laws, a free media and a fair judiciary and the release of political prisoners and – herewith let it be said – an end to meddling in Lebanon. That figure of 60 dead, a Human Rights Watch estimate, may in fact be much higher. Tomorrow, President Bashar al-Assad will supposedly tell us his future for Syria. It better be good.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...assad-the-arab-spring-stops-here-2257883.html

 

[Snoop]

It seems that Kurds will join the demonstrations too tomorrow, today better to say..

They better behave, or it will turn to ugly scenario.

 

[Azzurri7]

Developments should be put step by step, first with getting rid of the clowns in the congress, then put educated people there, after that people will realize everything (there will be debates, unlike what we saw yesterday ). Removing him now and putting in someone else will not be any different, the new one will do the same, that's because people are learned to worship leaders all these years, so they will let him do whatever the new president want to do, I don't want that. You know what I mean?

Technically, this would be the best scenario, but it's far from happening, specially when you have bunch of un-educated people in the parliament like you mentioned earlier.

 

[Snoop]

Brilliant song by the great Sameeh Shqair about what happened in Daraa

You gotta admit, this one is better

 

[ReBeL]

You gotta admit, this one is better

 

[Azzurri7]

Wassouf

Wonder how many kg's of coca he smoke before he sang this.

 

[Snoop]

Habeeb il malayeen ya Bashar

 

[Snoop]

Wassouf

Wonder how many kg's of coca he smoke before he sang this.

He always was a fan of him, and had relation with many of them (mas2ouleen)..

I never liked Wassouf, sure he had great songs, ages ago.. But his character? he is a piece of shit, I hope someone rapes him one day..

 

[Azzurri7]

 

[ReBeL]

He always was a fan of him, and had relation with many of them (mas2ouleen)..

I never liked Wassouf, sure he had great songs, ages ago.. But his character? he is a piece of shit, I hope someone rapes him one day..

Don' tell me you believe he was not raped yet.

 

[Snoop]

This is why I hate this cunt called sultan eri

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HTPQ9030

who the fuck he thinks he is to talk to people this way? ibnel kalb, I wonder how he will act if his 100 bodyguards weren't around

I couldn't find it on internet, I have it on my pc, so I uploaded it here, you have to see it to know what kind of an idiot he is, small video, only 1.5 MB..

 

[Snoop]

Did you check the Arabic thread Rab?

 

[Snoop]

Orient is down again

 

[GordoDeCentral]

so snoop whats your take on this? how will it unfold tomorrow?