Even if you're right, you are failing to recognize that the standard of university education is higher in the United States. An education is an education, not matter at what point you receive it.
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I'm not saying they are as they're not. I'm not even saying that the education is better, all I'm saying is that the educational system in ex Yugoslavia, from Primary school to College, is harder than in the US or Western Europe. I personaly think it sucks because there's too much you have to know, and I'd like to study abroad as I'm confident it would be easier for me.
Maybe you do, maybe you dont... but the evidence you gave... does not say this...
And even if it did, it is still jus a policy line it shows no comparison whatsoever....
All i asked for was one single report that backs you up... there are thousands of world education standard reports all over the web...
And even if it did, it is still jus a policy line it shows no comparison whatsoever....
All i asked for was one single report that backs you up... there are thousands of world education standard reports all over the web...
Did you actually read anything i wrote ?
Did i at anypoint say you were wrong ?
Did i at any point say which way i think the line falls ?
All of the above... No
You made a statement and then refused to back it up.. not me...
I dont know if you are right or wrong... You're the one making statements....
The only opinion i gave was when someone said that bosnian high scjhool is at american uni level... which i said i didnt believe... and i still dont...
Did i at anypoint say you were wrong ?
Did i at any point say which way i think the line falls ?
All of the above... No
You made a statement and then refused to back it up.. not me...
I dont know if you are right or wrong... You're the one making statements....
The only opinion i gave was when someone said that bosnian high scjhool is at american uni level... which i said i didnt believe... and i still dont...
Maybe I'm overreacting a bit. I know you didnt say I was wrong, and altho I could spend the next several hours looking through dozens of educational reports simply to back my claim up... I'm not going to. TBH I'd much rather watch Scrubs, so that's what I'm going to do.
And Amash may have stretched the truth a bit, I wouldnt agree that high school here is at US uni level, but I do think that high school here is harder than high school in the US, and that college here is harder than college in the US. Not saying it's better, but harder.
And you should know that sometimes reports dont tell the entire truth, and maybe personal experiences dont either, I'll have to rely on them for now, having experienced education in Europe and in Bosnia, as have most of my freinds, be it Germany, England, Italy, etc.
The point is z... You stated it rather than said that it was your opinion...
Yes reports can be skewed, but the likes of overall literacy reports tell you alot...
The levels of educated to recognised levels tell you alot...
Yes you cant base a definitive answer on them but they give basis to your claims...
As for hours to find them... Google... less than 2 mins to find a global education comparison... less than 1 min to find global literacy levels...
Yes reports can be skewed, but the likes of overall literacy reports tell you alot...
The levels of educated to recognised levels tell you alot...
Yes you cant base a definitive answer on them but they give basis to your claims...
As for hours to find them... Google... less than 2 mins to find a global education comparison... less than 1 min to find global literacy levels...
Grad schools, certainly. On the other hand, it's considered common knowledge here (in my department) that while grad school in the US is tougher than here, the undergrad system is inferior. In case you think that's entirely subjective, most of the people expressing those opinions have qualifications from both nations.
I think that's true, but I'm not sure it's untrue of anywhere else. Certainly, I can see where that assumption comes from, but the evidence is coming from the kind of thing that would get sneered at by any decent statistics person.
I think that's true, but I'm not sure it's untrue of anywhere else. Certainly, I can see where that assumption comes from, but the evidence is coming from the kind of thing that would get sneered at by any decent statistics person.
sorry Paul, but not knowing the difference between Australia and Iran on a world map is clearly pointing to undereducation.
I mean, if you went to a normal school, you should be able to do that at the age of, say 11.
From what I heard (I didn't test both school systems), the problem with education in the US is that it is of very variable qualty. There are top schools and Uni's(probably the best in the world), but then again a lot of them schools are below any level...
But again, I can't really judge, as I didn't test American High Schools, nor Uni's (yet).
I mean, if you went to a normal school, you should be able to do that at the age of, say 11.
From what I heard (I didn't test both school systems), the problem with education in the US is that it is of very variable qualty. There are top schools and Uni's(probably the best in the world), but then again a lot of them schools are below any level...
But again, I can't really judge, as I didn't test American High Schools, nor Uni's (yet).
Geof, its selective. They may be uneducated about geography, but that doesnt mean they are uneducated period. They might be experts in other fields and put other nationalities to shame. Does that mean they are less intelligent?
One could similarly look at the economic dominance of the US in so many markets(except for the auto industry, duh
) and incorrectly conclude that the Europeans are a bunch of pinko delusionists who have the enterprising skills of the underside of a cowpat. Which is wrong, isnt it?
Americans in general find little to no use for world geography. As long as they pick up a roadmap from a gas station, they can make it to Seattle. But that doesnt mean they cant open cans of whoop ass in other fields.
But thats what comes from America's cultural isolation. They generally just havent had a need to depend on outsiders for too much unlike most of europe, especially the continent who all have their fingers in each others' pies, and probably, wouldnt have it any other way.
One could similarly look at the economic dominance of the US in so many markets(except for the auto industry, duh
) and incorrectly conclude that the Europeans are a bunch of pinko delusionists who have the enterprising skills of the underside of a cowpat. Which is wrong, isnt it?Americans in general find little to no use for world geography. As long as they pick up a roadmap from a gas station, they can make it to Seattle. But that doesnt mean they cant open cans of whoop ass in other fields.
But thats what comes from America's cultural isolation. They generally just havent had a need to depend on outsiders for too much unlike most of europe, especially the continent who all have their fingers in each others' pies, and probably, wouldnt have it any other way.
++ [ originally posted by Layce Erayce ] ++
Geof, its selective. They may be uneducated about geography, but that doesnt mean they are uneducated period. They might be experts in other fields and put other nationalities to shame. Does that mean they are less intelligent?
One could similarly look at the economic dominance of the US in so many markets(except for the auto industry, duh ) and incorrectly conclude that the Europeans are a bunch of pinko delusionists who have the enterprising skills of the underside of a cowpat. Which is wrong, isnt it?
Americans in general find little to no use for world geography. As long as they pick up a roadmap from a gas station, they can make it to Seattle. But that doesnt mean they cant open cans of whoop ass in other fields.
But thats what comes from America's cultural isolation. They generally just havent had a need to depend on outsiders for too much unlike most of europe, especially the continent who all have their fingers in each others' pies, and probably, wouldnt have it any other way.
Geof, its selective. They may be uneducated about geography, but that doesnt mean they are uneducated period. They might be experts in other fields and put other nationalities to shame. Does that mean they are less intelligent?
One could similarly look at the economic dominance of the US in so many markets(except for the auto industry, duh
) and incorrectly conclude that the Europeans are a bunch of pinko delusionists who have the enterprising skills of the underside of a cowpat. Which is wrong, isnt it?Americans in general find little to no use for world geography. As long as they pick up a roadmap from a gas station, they can make it to Seattle. But that doesnt mean they cant open cans of whoop ass in other fields.
But thats what comes from America's cultural isolation. They generally just havent had a need to depend on outsiders for too much unlike most of europe, especially the continent who all have their fingers in each others' pies, and probably, wouldnt have it any other way.
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++ [ originally posted by Layce Erayce ] ++
Geof, its selective. They may be uneducated about geography, but that doesnt mean they are uneducated period. They might be experts in other fields and put other nationalities to shame. Does that mean they are less intelligent?
One could similarly look at the economic dominance of the US in so many markets(except for the auto industry, duh ) and incorrectly conclude that the Europeans are a bunch of pinko delusionists who have the enterprising skills of the underside of a cowpat. Which is wrong, isnt it?
Americans in general find little to no use for world geography. As long as they pick up a roadmap from a gas station, they can make it to Seattle. But that doesnt mean they cant open cans of whoop ass in other fields.
But thats what comes from America's cultural isolation. They generally just havent had a need to depend on outsiders for too much unlike most of europe, especially the continent who all have their fingers in each others' pies, and probably, wouldnt have it any other way.
Geof, its selective. They may be uneducated about geography, but that doesnt mean they are uneducated period. They might be experts in other fields and put other nationalities to shame. Does that mean they are less intelligent?
One could similarly look at the economic dominance of the US in so many markets(except for the auto industry, duh
) and incorrectly conclude that the Europeans are a bunch of pinko delusionists who have the enterprising skills of the underside of a cowpat. Which is wrong, isnt it?Americans in general find little to no use for world geography. As long as they pick up a roadmap from a gas station, they can make it to Seattle. But that doesnt mean they cant open cans of whoop ass in other fields.
But thats what comes from America's cultural isolation. They generally just havent had a need to depend on outsiders for too much unlike most of europe, especially the continent who all have their fingers in each others' pies, and probably, wouldnt have it any other way.
As for economic dominance; the European Union is wiping the floor at least once per month with all sorts of different economic blocks around the world, including the USA, in the court rooms of the WTO. The economic dominance you speak off seized to exist in the 1980s
But for the record: I think it's complete and utter bullshit to state that the American education system is incompetent or worse than the European system. Educational systems are adapted to the requirements of a nation and its people and seeing as both America and Europe are the most prosperous regions on Earth; both must be doing something right with regards to their educations.
You surely arent comparing the US' long-term economic development, literally from the ground up to Europe's recent strategy of taking advantage of the WTO's court handouts are you? I hope not!
The whole European system- society and government is rooted in a kind of mentality which values tradition, rigid structure and form very highly (since before middle ages), which by its nature has proven relatively unwieldy and unfriendly to the concept of free enterprise.
Americans are the "rejects" of the European institution, the underclass, the kind who were not catered to by the system. This explains the US mentality that led to the spurning and outright rejection of rigid order, and extensive authority which prevails even today. This "every man for himself", restriction free philosophy, while unfavorable to other developments is quite favorable to economic development, fueled by greed.
The whole European system- society and government is rooted in a kind of mentality which values tradition, rigid structure and form very highly (since before middle ages), which by its nature has proven relatively unwieldy and unfriendly to the concept of free enterprise.
Americans are the "rejects" of the European institution, the underclass, the kind who were not catered to by the system. This explains the US mentality that led to the spurning and outright rejection of rigid order, and extensive authority which prevails even today. This "every man for himself", restriction free philosophy, while unfavorable to other developments is quite favorable to economic development, fueled by greed.