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baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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#43
To stick this thread and the video we just saw, I'd assume a better part of those people were part of the workforce that you're talking about?
 

baggio

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#45
++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
how do you figure?

I draw my conclusions from my own personal experiences. To give you one instance that happened at this party: my friend from Hong Kong got engaged in conversation with this 22 year old girl from the US. The girl was extremely polite and courteous as all Americans are, she asked where my friend was from? Friend replied Hong Kong. "Jeez, how long do you think it will take me to get there if I drive down", she asked more seriously than I thought. And yes, she was studying at the University of Michigan apparently. I know its only one example that I've listed but I can assure you I know better than to jump to a conclusion based on one incident.


Also, I'd like to point out, that the US no longer has the monopoly of the best schools and colleges. India, Cyprus, UK and yes, even Australia all are on a level playing field.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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#46
ok she gets an F on geography do we then condemn her to eternal dunce status... stigmatizing a whole nation over one's personal experience and patches of video is to say the least amateurish in judgement. India, Australia, and the UK only dream of having the subs are a second tier college in the US. as for Cyprus, please that's not even a neighborhood in Des Moines.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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#48
++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
ok she gets an F on geography do we then condemn her to eternal dunce status... stigmatizing a whole nation over one's personal experience and patches of video is to say the least amateurish in judgement. India, Australia, and the UK only dream of having the subs are a second tier college in the US. as for Cyprus, please that's not even a neighborhood in Des Moines.

The last time I checked India had B schools with faculty as good as any in the world. With an admission test thats considered to be the toughest in the world. Dont know if you've heard of the IIM's and I havent even got to the ISB yet.

Stigmatizing? Just because I dont consider the US to be the intellectual capital of the world? Jesus christ, and I'm amateurish in judgement. What you need is a reality check, that helps you do away with the arrogance and brings you out of the comfort zone to make you realise that the gap between the US and the rest of the world is on the wane, not because of the education systems in place, but because of what the youth have to offer.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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#49
++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++



The last time I checked India had B schools with faculty as good as any in the world. With an admission test thats considered to be the toughest in the world. Dont know if you've heard of the IIM's and I havent even got to the ISB yet.

Stigmatizing? Just because I dont consider the US to be the intellectual capital of the world? Jesus christ, and I'm amateurish in judgement. What you need is a reality check, that helps you do away with the arrogance and brings you out of the comfort zone to make you realise that the gap between the US and the rest of the world is on the wane, not because of the education systems in place, but because of what the youth have to offer.

well it's nice that you added ad hominem element to your edit, I need a reality check, when you are telling me that India where all US med school rejects go to school is at par with the US??? and IIMs, have you heard of harvard business school, how about wharton, kellogg?? i guess IIM is where it's at my bad... and what do you know of the youth? Reality check is Indians along with people from all over the world would love to get an opportunity to go to school in the US. I guess you'd rather have a degree that says IIM rather than Harvard.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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#50
++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++



well it's nice that you added ad hominem element to your edit, I need a reality check, when you are telling me that India where all US med school rejects go to school is at par with the US??? and IIMs, have you heard of harvard business school, how about wharton, kellogg?? i guess IIM is where it's at my bad... and what do you know of the youth? Reality check is Indians along with people from all over the world would love to get an opportunity to go to school in the US. I guess you'd rather have a degree that says IIM rather than Harvard.

A little more reading about the IIM's would help. Did you hear me discount the Whartons or Harvards? Sure, they have their prestige, but what is the demographic getting admission to these schools?

Fortunately or unfortunately for you, the number of Indians going to US colleges and getting jobs in the US has upped 3 times in the last decade. Dude, the only reason students who want to study further, go to the US, is because they cant get into the IIM's here. And they figure a decent school in the US, is more attractive than a non IIM or the like. As for the workforce, top of the mind example, an IT guy from Hyderabad, recently married my cousin, I hear theyve been packed off to the US and he now has a job that pays him 300USD per hour. Wonder why they needed someone from here for a decent job like that when they have such bright youth back home? As for healthcare, trust me, its the next big wave to hit India after the BPO boom, and this time, it would be safe to assume, it not just because of the labour costs involved. ;)
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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#52
Thats the whole american dream, everyone has a chance( a 2nd, 3rd....as well). it dont matter if you're indian, polish, or nigerian. As far as bringing someone from overseas i really dont see how that bears on the people here. simple example one who already understands how the firm works and has good grasp of the material is not as costly as one how doesnt and needs training, albeit the latter being more knowledgeable. To conclude, I live, work, and socialize in the US; and i can tell you that saying americans are intellectually inferior to let's say their european counterpart is just as preposterous as it sounds. The US achieved its ascent throught its people and thats telling enough.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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#58
++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

Not ad hominem arguments means no fights, which in turn means a substantially reduced chance of thread go padlocky.
I think you either missed the irony in my comment or didnt understand it
well it's nice that you added ad hominem element to your edit
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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#59
++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
I think you either missed the irony in my comment or didnt understand it
well it's nice that you added ad hominem element to your edit
It wasn't aimed at you - just a convenient thing to quote.
 

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