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Robee

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IlCapitano said:
You mean like we did with Arthur? I am obviously talking about useful players who can do a job.

We accepted the offer for Rabiot, he rejected it. He had been playing better recently, so no reason to freeze him out, he is a useful player.

Look, I did not say Locatelli cannot play great as #8, I agree he can, just disagree he cannot play well at #6 which he did heck of a lot more than #8 here and at Sassuolo.

What would be his best attribute that is being wasted at #6?

No, it is not like saying that. Vlahović never played CB, Locatelli did play regista with great success here and at Sassuolo
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Yes there is; he declined a great offer when we obviously wanted him out and we can move on with players who can possibly mean more for Juve in the future.

He did NOT play regista at Sassuolo. 6 is a position, regista is a role; those 2 are NOT the same thing.
And his best attribute is his positional awareness around the box.
 
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Robee said:
Yes there is; he declined a great offer when we obviously wanted him out and we can move on with players who can possibly mean more for Juve in the future.

He did NOT play regista at Sassuolo. 6 is a position, regista is a role; those 2 are NOT the same thing.
And his best attribute is his positional awareness around the box.
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No, we did not want him out. It has been reported over and over again that we accepted because it was a good offer, but he was never out for Allegri. If he left fine, if he stayed also fine

Yes, I know that, but he did play the deepest player in midfield everywhere he was so far except for Italy in some games, also played #6 for them and was excellent.

You cannot say that is his best attribute when he rarely played in positions that put him around the box. All goals he scored for Italy were coming from deep or counters, most goals he scored here were like that too. He has never been a true btb midfielder and spent a lot of time in and around the box.

His IQ and passing are his best attributes, that's why he does great in every role, he can adapt.

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I bianconeri hanno raggiunto un accordo con il PSG, sulla base di un prestito con diritto di riscatto fissato a 15 milioni più 5 di bonus, che diventa obbligo a determinate condizioni. L'ex Chievo e Roma domani sosterrà le visite mediche probabilmente a Parigi per poi raggiungere Torino in tarda serata.
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Option to buy at 15m + 5m bonus, becomes obligation under certain conditions. Medicals tomorrow in Paris, coming to Turin at night
 
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Scottish

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JUVEMOOD said:
Serious question guys

In terms of
CM
CDM
LM
RM
LCM
RCM

What is mezzala and regista?
Mezzala (LCM, RCM?)
Regista (Deep Lying Midfielder CDM?)

Is both only used in 433 variations (4231, 4321 etc)?

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I'm an idiot so others can give better answers, but the way I see it is CM, LM etc etc are positions, and mezzala, regista, trequartista etc are more like roles.

These days especially it's impossible to convey a team's system with a 2D image showing positions on the pitch, every team is way more dynamic. A 2D image is only really meaningful when you understand something about the style of play of each individual, from which you can infer the type of role they'll be playing.

A regista is a deep-lying playmaker. The type of player who is available for a pass forward from the defence, or sideways or even backwards from the other midfielders, and who picks out attacking players with their passes forward either to the CFs or to wide players. The obvious player to point to with this role is Pirlo.
A mezzala is somebody who occupies the space between the DM (whether regista or more like a destroyer DM) and the attack, and who usually sticks to their side of the pitch but they aren't a winger, they stay towards the centre. Pogba in his last spell here is a great example of that role.

In a three-man midfield you could go with a regista and two mezzale, or a destroyer DM and two mezzale, but if the DM is more of a defender I'd want to include a box-to-box CM in the midfield 3. Our 352 under Conte had a regista, box-to-box and mezzala (Pirlo, Vidal and Pogba). Our Cardiff team had a central midfield two of a box-to-box and a regista (Khedira and Pjanic) - and it depends on the squad available to the manager and their tactical tendencies how they want to set up the team, but you'd expect the midfield to be central to the overall tactical approach because obviously it occupies the space between defence and attack.

That's my understanding, anyway.

Edit: going by the position abbreviations you gave - for example an RCM could be a box-to-box or a mezzala, it depends on the system and the player. DM could be a destroyer or a regista.
 
DanielSz

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Can we stop trying to vilify Memphis, especially considering he had nothing to do with it. the plans just changed because of Rabiots collapsed transfer. (At least if you wanna believe Romano’s version of it)

 

Gigiventus

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JUVEMOOD said:
Serious question guys

In terms of
CM
CDM
LM
RM
LCM
RCM

What is mezzala and regista?
Mezzala (LCM, RCM?)
Regista (Deep Lying Midfielder CDM?)

Is both only used in 433 variations (4231, 4321 etc)?

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These are names for roles, not positions.

A mezzala (means half-wing) is a midfielder playing on the side of a midfield 3 that goes back and forth, like the english term box-to-box. Like Barella, Vidal, Nainggolan, Allan, etc.

Regista is the midfielder that takes control of the game, the one that has the vision to set the tempo by keeping himself open, protecting the ball, and distributing. Like Kroos, Jorginho, Paredes. In most cases the regista plays in the center of a midfield 3, but doesn't have to. It can be in a midfield 2, like Pirlo under Lippi, or on the sides of a midfield 3, like Xavi.

A regista is not a CDM. A CDM is its own role. Both can be in the center of a mid 3, or in a mid 2, but they refer to the player's responsibilities, not where he is on the pitch.
 
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Gigiventus said:
These are names for roles, not positions.

A mezzala (means half-wing) is a midfielder playing on the side of a midfield 3 that goes back and forth, like the english term box-to-box. Regista is the midfielder that takes control of the game, the one that has the vision to set the tempo by keeping himself open, protecting the ball, and distributing. In most cases the regista plays in the center of a midfield 3, but doesn't have to. It can be in a midfield 2, like Pirlo under Lippi, or on the sides of a midfield 3, like Xavi. A regista is not a CDM. A CDM is its own role. Both can be in the center of a mid 3, or in a mid 2, but they refer to the player's responsibilities, not where he is on the pitch.
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As CDM is referred to as mediano in Italian btw

I think in modern football we tend to create ‘roles’ for certain types of footballers, and in handsight you’ll come across some Italian or English pronunciations that basically are the same.
 
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