Summer Mercato Thread 2018 (100 Viewers)

[Seven]

this isn't going anywhere. De gustibus not est disputandum comes to mind.

It's not going anywhere because a lot of people insist on players such as Makelele and Kante always being the most important. And they are important. But they don't create chances. And you need chances to win. Pogba doesn't just defend extremely well, he's also creating those chances to win. So if you're giving me the choice, I'd much rather have Pogba.

 

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[GiocataGrande]

It's not going anywhere because a lot of people insist on players such as Makelele and Kante always being the most important. And they are important. But they don't create chances. And you need chances to win. Pogba doesn't just defend extremely well, he's also creating those chances to win. So if you're giving me the choice, I'd much rather have Pogba.

Fair enough. I really don't agree at all, but hey that's life

 

[Jethro]

So cheap? Has he been so bad?

Pep brought him here.

 

[Seven]

I never said that Paul doesn't deserve praise, he was indeed great. And tbh I don't think he is a laughing stock even in mu, yeah he has some diva in him and stuff. But even in this boring and ugly MU he was the best player when healthy.
That aside. Kante is simply amazing, and I think replacing him with any half decent DM would harm France much more then replacing Paul with half decent CM a-la Henderson.

I don't, just because Pogba has actually taken up his defensive duties as well. To me it's kind of like saying Iniesta's the bigger player than Messi. People often like to say such things, because it sounds as if they're saying something really deep and intelligent and understand the game on a deeper level, because they're not going for the flashy player. But there's a reason the flashy player is flashy. It's because he has that touch no one else has that makes the difference.

Deschamps and I will probably disagree on most things, but I am confident he will always defend Pogba.

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Fair enough. I really don't agree at all, but hey that's life

Juventus have gone my way in recent years by the way, opting for much more versatile midfielders than Kante. So have Madrid and Barcelona. Doesn't mean it's the best way to go, just an observation.

 

[Albo]

Same insider who called Ronaldo transfer on italian forum tifosibianconeri.

But there are two of them insiders, both announced Ronaldo deep in June, and now one of them says we're going for Pogba and the other one says we try again for Milinkovic-Savic.

Spoiler

And I say, we'll end up with Rabiot.

That’s like choosing between Ferrari and Lambo .


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[DAiDEViL]

Make it happen

Gtfo

 

[zizinho]

@zizinho, Lemina > Kante eh?

offensively, yeah

 

[Jethro]

Gtfo

Would you rather love to have him or Vida in your squad?

 

[Kopanja]

I don't, just because Pogba has actually taken up his defensive duties as well. To me it's kind of like saying Iniesta's the bigger player than Messi.

Woah, that's not fair. Arguing who is more critical Kante or Pogba is ok in my book, but the bolded part is too hipstery even for me.
I don't disagree with you about Pogba assessment, btw. But I do think Kante is irreplaceable while Paul not. Let's stop here, I've played a pure DM for 8 years growing as a kid, so I might overzealous discussing Kante and the like.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Would you rather love to have him or Vida in your squad?

Vida of course.

 

[Seven]

Woah, that's not fair. Arguing who is more critical Kante or Pogba is ok in my book, but the bolded part is too hipstery even for me.
I don't disagree with you about Pogba assessment, btw. But I do think Kante is irreplaceable while Paul not. Let's stop here, I've played a pure DM for 8 years growing as a kid, so I might overzealous discussing Kante and the like.

It's always difficult to assess a player's importance. There's no denying that Kante is fundamental to the way France play. The only reason I see Pogba as more important is that he's the starting point of almost all their attacks. But you could just as easily argue that without Kante, Pogba would drown in midfield.

 

[Jethro]

Vida of course.

 

[Osman]

offensively, yeah

Dont make me dig up posts @Fred


http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42215-Endless-Summer-Mercato-2016?p=5367758&viewfull=1#post5367758


http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42215-Endless-Summer-Mercato-2016?p=5315166&viewfull=1#post5315166



Will be better then Kante indeed This you said even after Kante winning player of the season.



http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42215-Endless-Summer-Mercato-2016?p=5314956&viewfull=1#post5314956


Moussa Sissoko also better then Kante

 

[Seven]

Dont make me dig up posts @Fred


http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42215-Endless-Summer-Mercato-2016?p=5367758&viewfull=1#post5367758


http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42215-Endless-Summer-Mercato-2016?p=5315166&viewfull=1#post5315166



Will be better then Kante indeed This you said even after Kante winning player of the season.

Lemina had so much fucking potential though. I really thought he was going to be big.

 

[zizinho]

I don't, just because Pogba has actually taken up his defensive duties as well. To me it's kind of like saying Iniesta's the bigger player than Messi. People often like to say such things, because it sounds as if they're saying something really deep and intelligent and understand the game on a deeper level, because they're not going for the flashy player. But there's a reason the flashy player is flashy. It's because he has that touch no one else has that makes the difference.

Deschamps and I will probably disagree on most things, but I am confident he will always defend Pogba.

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Juventus have gone my way in recent years by the way, opting for much more versatile midfielders than Kante. So have Madrid and Barcelona. Doesn't mean it's the best way to go, just an observation.

all of their midfielders have stepped up defensively, not just Kante

Pogba 1.8 tackles 0.8 interceptions 2.2 clearances 3.8 aerials won
Kante 2.3 tackles 3.2 interceptions 1.7 clearances 0.5 aerials won
Blaise 2.8 tackles 1.8 interceptions 0.5 clearances 1.3 aerials won

but Pogba adds that bonus of being their main playmaker, carrying the offensive side of the midfield. i dont think their results would have been much different with Nzonzi as the deepest mid for example, or even Rabiot for that matter. they did bench Kante and went all the way to the final 2 years ago, with Pogba occupying that DM role. that tells you something about the quality and depth of this France team

 

[Osman]

Lemina had so much fucking potential though. I really thought he was going to be big.

I liked Lemina (generally like physical b2b all around mids like that), but he was never close to that level of player.

 

[Valerio.]

guys Marcelo and Pogba is Exor going all in or what?

 

[Seven]

all of their midfielders have stepped up defensively, not just Kante

Pogba 1.8 tackles 0.8 interceptions 2.2 clearances 3.8 aerials won
Kante 2.3 tackles 3.2 interceptions 1.7 clearances 0.5 aerials won
Blaise 2.8 tackles 1.8 interceptions 0.5 clearances 1.3 aerials won

but Pogba adds that bonus of being their main playmaker, carrying the offensive side of the midfield. i dont think their results would have been much different with Nzonzi as the deepest mid for example, or even Rabiot for that matter. they did bench Kante and went all the way to the final 2 years ago, with Pogba occupying that DM role. that tells you something about the quality and depth of this France team

Yep. If anything I think most people have vastly underrated Pogba's importance this tournament.

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I liked Lemina (generally like physical b2b all around mids like that), but he was never close to that level of player.

Yet, I believed. He's still only 24 so when he was with us he was 22.

As for physical b2b all around midfielders... Man, Juve's management cannot get enough of those. It's one of the reasons why I believe we'd never go for Kante.

 

[zizinho]

Dont make me dig up posts @Fred


http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42215-Endless-Summer-Mercato-2016?p=5367758&viewfull=1#post5367758


http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42215-Endless-Summer-Mercato-2016?p=5315166&viewfull=1#post5315166



Will be better then Kante indeed This you said even after Kante winning player of the season.



http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42215-Endless-Summer-Mercato-2016?p=5314956&viewfull=1#post5314956


Moussa Sissoko also better then Kante

where was Kante at age 22? without googling it. Lemina was excellent for (wherever we sold him) before his injury, hes a better offensive player already, once he gets that experience and tactical awareness that his position requires, i wont exclude him surpassing Kante. and we all saw that "player of the season" exposed at last Euro, so dont give me that

 

[Osman]

all of their midfielders have stepped up defensively, not just Kante

Pogba 1.8 tackles 0.8 interceptions 2.2 clearances 3.8 aerials won
Kante 2.3 tackles 3.2 interceptions 1.7 clearances 0.5 aerials won
Blaise 2.8 tackles 1.8 interceptions 0.5 clearances 1.3 aerials won

but Pogba adds that bonus of being their main playmaker, carrying the offensive side of the midfield. i dont think their results would have been much different with Nzonzi as the deepest mid for example, or even Rabiot for that matter. they did bench Kante and went all the way to the final 2 years ago, with Pogba occupying that DM role. that tells you something about the quality and depth of this France team

You two years ago:

what youre saying doesent have anything to do with what im saying. youre talking about roles, im talking about quality. we have 4 better midfielders, so Kante would come here as a 5th CM. he would NOT be a starter ahead of Pogba, Marchisio, Khedira, Pjanic. his role would be that of a backup box to box here as he has nothing to do as a regista with his atrocious passing game so therefore, he would be Khediras backup. however, we have already Lemina who is potentially the better player, has more assets to his game and is already proven in our team

Dont try to act like you can be objective about Kante man

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guys Marcelo and Pogba is Exor going all in or what?

Not going to happen bro.

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guys Marcelo and Pogba is Exor going all in or what?

Not going to happen bro.