Summer mercato thread 2017-18 (34 Viewers)

[Orgut]

We are soooooo buying Mbappe.....

I dont get why we are going for Bernardeschi instead of Keita which is far less expensive and IMO is a much better player!
The only way to please me if we eventually miss Keita is getting this 18 year old monster! He is Real Madrid bound Im afraid..

 

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[IliveForJuve]

Yeah. Our 2014-15 team that barely beat Madrid 2-1 in Turin in the first leg, a Madrid that was missing Modric and Benzema, starting Ramos as a CM, and both James and Isco, it would have beat a far better Madrid with an in-form Modric, Casemiro, and Benzema, with ease.

That Madrid was crippled.

This last season was the best we've had so far post Calciopoli but still wasn't good enough.

No one likes Beppe selling our best players but you should still have faith in this management. They mean business.

 

[Orgut]

Yeah. Our 2014-15 team that barely beat Madrid 2-1 in Turin in the first leg, a Madrid that was missing Modric and Benzema, starting Ramos as a CM, and both James and Isco, it would have beat a far better Madrid with an in-form Modric, Casemiro, and Benzema, with ease.

Were they missing in the away leg? The one we drew 1-1 in Madrid?
14-15 team was better than 16-17 Juve! Our mid was 10 times better and our attack was quite similar in terms of quality as Tevez Morata was as good as Dybala Higuain (Dybala is currently not at the level Tevez was and Morata even if not as good as Higuain is a winner and had that clutch in him...)

 

[Post Ironic]

Were they missing in the away leg? The one we drew 1-1 in Madrid?
14-15 team was better than 16-17 Juve! Our mid was 10 times better and our attack was quite similar in terms of quality as Tevez Morata was as good as Dybala Higuain (Dybala is currently not at the level Tevez was and Morata even if not as good as Higuain is a winner and had that clutch in him...)

no.

Just no.

We finished second in our group. Barely got out of the group stage over Olympiacos. Barely beat Monaco in the QFs 1-0 on a penalty outside the box, and barely beat a Madrid missing Modric in both legs, because of a fluky Sturaro tip onto our bar.

We absolutely dominated the knockouts this year. 3-0 over Porto, 3-0 over Barca, 4-1 over Monaco. We didn't lose a single match in the CL before the final. We had a better goal differential in the CL. We finished with more points in Serie A and a better goal differential, against two far better teams, in Napoli and Roma with 86 and 87 points respectively.

This was the best team Juventus has fielded post-calciopoli.

Our attack is better (scored more goals in both competitions). Our fullbacks were much much better. Our CBs were the same.
Only our midfield was worse. Significantly so, but not enough to offset the other positions.

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That Madrid was crippled.

This last season was the best we've had so far post Calciopoli but still wasn't good enough.

No one likes Beppe selling our best players but you should still have faith in this management. They mean business.

Nor does this being a better team than 2014-15 mean we don't need upgrades in certain positions. IMO we need a better CM to partner Pjanic, allow more rotation without such a significant drop-off. Marchisio and Khedira on the bench as back-ups to Pjanic and someone like Vidal would make this team absolutely immense.

 

[Drizzy]

Yeah. Our 2014-15 team that barely beat Madrid 2-1 in Turin in the first leg, a Madrid that was missing Modric and Benzema, starting Ramos as a CM, and both James and Isco, it would have beat a far better Madrid with an in-form Modric, Casemiro, and Benzema, with ease.

Dude are you that dumb or...? Benzema only missed the leg in Torino..as did Pogba for us we started Sturaro....Casemiro wasn't even on the squad yet...and you're seriously saying James and Isco playing along with Bale are disadvantages? LOL dude are you high???? Yes they had Modric out that's it..but you're seriously arguing we only outplayed and dominate them over both legs bc they didn't have Modric?...Ok buddy..I think you missed your meds

 

[Xperd]

Drizzy pipebomb @Bianconero_Aus

 

[Hist]

Yeah. Our 2014-15 team that barely beat Madrid 2-1 in Turin in the first leg, a Madrid that was missing Modric and Benzema, starting Ramos as a CM, and both James and Isco, it would have beat a far better Madrid with an in-form Modric, Casemiro, and Benzema, with ease.

forget the difference in player quality (Ronaldo was also in beast form at the end of last season) but this Madrid is also much more experienced than the one in 2014-15. This is a Madrid that won 2 CL titles since then and no longer look up to Barca in any sense. Their players are at a much higher mental level than ours (especially higher than 2014/15 Juve). Their confidence now is probably the highest Madrid has ever been in the modern age.

 

[Post Ironic]

Dude are you that dumb or...? Benzema only missed the leg in Torino..as did Pogba for us we started Sturaro....Casemiro wasn't even on the squad yet...and you're seriously saying James and Isco playing along with Bale are disadvantages? LOL dude are you high???? Yes they had Modric out that's it..but you're seriously arguing we only outplayed and dominate them over both legs bc they didn't have Modric?...Ok buddy..I think you missed your meds

Are you dumb as shit, or what? I said the first leg.

We drew 1-1 in the second leg with Benzema back. The match we actually won.

And dominated them?

And of course Casemiro wasn't in the squad. But you said we would beat this current Madrid with ease. A team with Casemiro as a very important part of the squad that has won the last 2 CLs.

I see you are still the most retarded poster on the entire forum.

Would have beat this year's Madrid with ease.

That 2014-15 team wouldn't have even got past this year's barca.

 

[Zacheryah]

Dude are you that dumb or...? Benzema only missed the leg in Torino..as did Pogba for us we started Sturaro....Casemiro wasn't even on the squad yet...and you're seriously saying James and Isco playing along with Bale are disadvantages? LOL dude are you high???? Yes they had Modric out that's it..but you're seriously arguing we only outplayed and dominate them over both legs bc they didn't have Modric?...Ok buddy..I think you missed your meds

You need to quit alcohol. See what it made you post.

 

[Post Ironic]

forget the difference in player quality (Ronaldo was also in beast form at the end of last season) but this Madrid is also much more experienced than the one in 2014-15. This is a Madrid that won 2 CL titles since then and no longer look up to Barca in any sense. Their players are at a much higher mental level than ours (especially higher than 2014/15 Juve). Their confidence now is probably the highest Madrid has ever been in the modern age.

 

[Zacheryah]

I dont get why we are going for Bernardeschi instead of Keita which is far less expensive and IMO is a much better player!
The only way to please me if we eventually miss Keita is getting this 18 year old monster! He is Real Madrid bound Im afraid..

Shut up. You dont know either player except that Keita is faster and thats it.

 

[Drizzy]

no.

Just no.

We finished second in our group. Barely got out of the group stage over Olympiacos. Barely beat Monaco in the QFs 1-0 on a penalty outside the box, and barely beat a Madrid missing Modric in both legs, because of a fluky Sturaro tip onto our bar.

We absolutely dominated the knockouts this year. 3-0 over Porto, 3-0 over Barca, 4-1 over Monaco. We didn't lose a single match in the CL before the final. We had a better goal differential in the CL. We finished with more points in Serie A and a better goal differential, against two far better teams, in Napoli and Roma with 86 and 87 points respectively.

This was the best team Juventus has fielded post-calciopoli.

Our attack is better (scored more goals in both competitions). Our fullbacks were much much better. Our CBs were the same.
Only our midfield was worse. Significantly so, but not enough to offset the other positions.

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Nor does this being a better team than 2014-15 mean we don't need upgrades in certain positions. IMO we need a better CM to partner Pjanic, allow more rotation without such a significant drop-off. Marchisio and Khedira on the bench as back-ups to Pjanic and someone like Vidal would make this team absolutely immense.

Our attack is not better than 15..Fact of the matter is, we still do not have a CL striker...I mean Higuain scored 1 more goal than QUAGS did in DOUBLE the amount of games.... Quags had 4 goals in 6 games in 12-13...Higuain had 5 in 12, 2 of which were vs zagreb. I'm sorry but I'd much rather take 4312 with Tevez and Morata than Higuain in a 4231 in the CL ANY day of the week. Also you really said our midfield isn't weak enough to offset the other positions? Really? We lost this final because of our midfield, because of our midfield and attack not linking up. Seriously, did we have a single chance after pjanic shot and Mandzu freak goal? No. Our 2015 team was better because our 2015 4312 w Pogba-Pirlo-Vidal-Marchisio who played fluidly and linked up with Morata and Tevez is10x better pjanic-Khedira...smashing it up top to Higuain just for him to try to run at 3 defenders and lose it

 

[Xperd]

Matuidi and Can are ahead of the others in the search for a mid. PSG & Liverpol both want €30m. Both have contacts expiring 2018 [GdS]

 

[Post Ironic]

Our attack isn't better? That explains why we scored more goals in CL and Serie A this year than we did in 14-15. But no, not better. Good logic there.

CL
2016-17: 22 goals > 2014-15: 17 goals

Serie A
2016-17: 77 goals > 2014-15: 72 goals

Oh, would you look at that. 10 more goals this season.

 

[Liviu]

You don't compare just the end product - goals...you need to take supply and tactics into consideration. Hot pipita's fault he had a meh midfield to back him.

 

[pitbull]

Our attack isn't better. That explains why we scored more goals in CL and Serie A this year than we did in 14-15. But no, not better. Good logic there.

CL
2016-17: 22 goals > 2014-15: 17 goals

Serie A
2016-17: 77 goals > 2014-15: 72 goals

Oh, would you look at that. 10 more goals this season.

2014/15 - 2 attackers
2016/17 - 4 attackers

I'd say that 10 goals is a poor reward for a supposedly better attack that's so increased in numbers

 

[Zacheryah]

Our attack is not better than 15..Fact of the matter is, we still do not have a CL striker...I mean Higuain scored 1 more goal than QUAGS did in DOUBLE the amount of games.... Quags had 4 goals in 6 games in 12-13...Higuain had 5 in 12, 2 of which were vs zagreb. I'm sorry but I'd much rather take 4312 with Tevez and Morata than Higuain in a 4231 in the CL ANY day of the week. Also you really said our midfield isn't weak enough to offset the other positions? Really? We lost this final because of our midfield, because of our midfield and attack not linking up. Seriously, did we have a single chance after pjanic shot and Mandzu freak goal? No. Our 2015 team was better because our 2015 4312 w Pogba-Pirlo-Vidal-Marchisio who played fluidly and linked up with Morata and Tevez is10x better pjanic-Khedira...smashing it up top to Higuain just for him to try to run at 3 defenders and lose it

Lets see what you say

A - Higuain is inferior to Morata.
B - Dybala is inferior to Tevez
C - Quagliarella is superior to Higuain
D - 2015 team was more fluid in buildup and reaching forwards
E - 2015 midfield was superior
F - We lost the final cause midfield and attack didnt link up


Question

A : Then why did Higuain scored more goals in 1 season compared to Morata in two entire seasons at juventus, despire Higuain beeing played out of position for over 10 games ?
B : Which european game did Tevez perform as good as Dybala did against barcelona ? granted, Dybala wasent consistant this season
C : How many goals did we score against big teams then, and how much did we score now ? Higuain isnt a poacher
D : Did you watch any games except the dortmund return leg, compared to all our knockout games ?
E : Superior midfield and superior attack, same defence. Then why was is suffering to impose itself in every knockout game, compared to now ?
F : How much were we domminating the first half ?



You compare two teams based on how much you like and rate the players. But why are you refusing to look at how it actually performed on the field which completely destroys your entire argument ?

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2014/15 - 2 attackers
2016/17 - 4 attackers

I'd say that 10 goals is a poor reward for a supposedly better attack that's so increased in numbers

Silly.


2015 : 16-7 = +9GD before final
2017 : 21-3 = +18GD before final


Conclusion : despite beeing much more organised, we were incredibly superior in attack, ergo much better team

 

[Catenaccio]

OK we need to be careful not to look at the 2nd half of the champions league final and making conclusions about the what the team needs etc. Yes there were some important lessons but that game could have gone a whole lot differently if a few of our players played better and we had a bit of luck. Real Madrid's second goal came off a deflection which was unlucky. Its not an excuse by any means - just saying in one off games a lot of things can influence the outcome. Pjanic was having a great game - then he got injured - in the first half I think the game was evenly matched. Something happened in the 2nd half especially after we conceded. The only attacking option we had on the bench was Cuadrado - and he is not the most consistent of attacking players.

Dybala was in my opinion, the biggest disappointment in that game. People talk about Higuain but I think Dybala was the more disappointing. I think it was no coincidence though. Zidane was smart on his tactics and he suffocated Dybala as he rightly observed that he was the key link between defence and attack and Real Madrid didn't pour forward aimlessly either.

Having said all of that, the 16/17 Juve squad seemed to consistently win without playing amazing football and when we did need to raise our game we did - particularly against Barcelona at home. In the league we frequently won games 1-0 or 2-0 - very rarely completely punished the opposition - consistently saving energy for the next game. We rarely needed to come back from behind - so that game against Real did expose this.

 

[Zacheryah]

Our attack isn't better? That explains why we scored more goals in CL and Serie A this year than we did in 14-15. But no, not better. Good logic there.

CL
2016-17: 22 goals > 2014-15: 17 goals

Serie A
2016-17: 77 goals > 2014-15: 72 goals

Oh, would you look at that. 10 more goals this season.

You need to use goal difference cause else you'll have people point out "uh brah, we had more attackers"

 

[Post Ironic]

2014/15 - 2 attackers
2016/17 - 4 attackers

I'd say that 10 goals is a poor reward for a supposedly better attack that's so increased in numbers

Are you mentally challenged?

We had a better goal differential in both competitions, which means a great reward, obviously. And that we were playing with 4 attackers as opposed to 2. Mandzu and Cuadrado/Alves were not ever playing all-out attack.

PS. We allowed 10 goals in the CL in 2014-15. This year we allowed 7.

+15 goal differential to +7

If you can't figure out that this team performed at a higher level and was more convincing you're ignoring all available evidence.