Summer Mercato season 2024-25 (83 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

Thats why Arsenal Want calafiori and West ham samt todibo.

Just ignore that Man Utd "signed" Todibo but had to cancel the move.

 

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[CarloP]

Regarding Soule vs Koopmeiners... Soule's overall attacking stats last year were actually better than Koop's:

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Considering the fact that Soule did that at Frosinone at his age, and that he's homegrown. It's pretty clear Koop is overvalued and Soule is undervalued.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Just ignore that Man Utd "signed" Todibo but had to cancel the move.

so, paying 62 million for leny yoro was just an alternative?

 

[Sadomin]

Regarding Soule vs Koopmeiners... Soule's overall attacking stats last year were actually better than Koop's:

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Considering the fact that Soule did that at Frosinone at his age, and that he's homegrown. It's pretty clear Koop is overvalued and Soule is undervalued.

And based on stats alone, Gaetano D'Agostino is more or less the best Italian midfielder of all time. The one that got away.

 

[CarloP]

And based on stats alone, Gaetano D'Agostino is more or less the best Italian midfielder of all time. The one that got away.

Alright, yeah in that case lets sell our best homegrown talent and overpay for the latest Atalanta flavor of the week because of that one guy 15 years ago.

 

[JuveJay]

so, paying 62 million for leny yoro was just an alternative?

Yes. Or they want to sign two central defenders, which has been mentioned before.

What I stated is a fact (it was discussed by Radcliffe), it's not my presenting of opinion as fact.

 

[s4tch]

Regarding Soule vs Koopmeiners... Soule's overall attacking stats last year were actually better than Koop's:

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Considering the fact that Soule did that at Frosinone at his age, and that he's homegrown. It's pretty clear Koop is overvalued and Soule is undervalued.

selling soulé, iling, barrenechea and huijsen is purely motivated by the lack of alternatives to sell. if old fuckers like kostic, mds, arthur or milik could generate similar revenue, you can bet that the club will sell them instead. look at mckennie, he's apparently having a market himself, but he's a picky bitch and asks for too much. or there's chiesa, who's fitness concerns every potential buyer. or tek, who's a good goalie but on insane wages. or rugani, who had to lower his wages and extend in order to become semi-marketable. props to rugani, he could have said no to the club's offer. even vlahovic is virtually unsellable while he's on 12m net. this is the legacy of the incompetence of the post-marotta era for you.

tl;dr: it's either bremer or the youngsters

 

[Xperd]

Regarding Soule vs Koopmeiners... Soule's overall attacking stats last year were actually better than Koop's:

fbref link 1vs1 link
Considering the fact that Soule did that at Frosinone at his age, and that he's homegrown. It's pretty clear Koop is overvalued and Soule is undervalued.

Never knew a winger/wide forward's attacking output would be higher than a central midfielder who has been used in literally every position in midfield.

Very intriguing comparison

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

selling soulé, iling, barrenechea and huijsen is purely motivated by the lack of alternatives to sell. if old fuckers like kostic, mds, arthur or milik could generate similar revenue, you can bet that the club will sell them instead. look at mckennie, he's apparently having a market himself, but he's a picky bitch and asks for too much. or there's chiesa, who's fitness concerns every potential buyer. or tek, who's a good goalie but on insane wages. or rugani, who had to lower his wages and extend in order to become semi-marketable. props to rugani, he could have said no to the club's offer. even vlahovic is virtually unsellable while he's on 12m net. this is the legacy of the incompetence of the post-marotta era for you.

tl;dr: it's either bremer or the youngsters

all those post 2015 signings higuain, mandzukic, douglas costa, bernardeschi, matuidi, khedira, cuadrado, shitesny, de sciglio sold for hundereds of millions euros. this is the legacy of the competence of the marotta era for you.

 

[JuveJay]

Most of those players weren't signed with any re-sale value in mind. They were signed for win now Juventus. We aren't in that mode right now.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Most of those players weren't signed with any re-sale value in mind. They were signed for win now Juventus. We aren't in that mode right now.

and the impact they made on club's finances were same as the impact of the meteor on dinosaurs. had to point that out for the millionth time after witnessing that clusterfuck being called competence.

 

[JuveJay]

and the impact they made on club's finances were same as the impact of the meteor on dinosaurs. had to point that out for the millionth time after witnessing that clusterfuck being called competence.

Buying players costs money and you have to pay them. I get you'd prefer we only buy 23 year old and younger players and pay them with lumps of coal but that's not the reality of the situation for a club trying to maintain domestic dominance and compete with much richer clubs to win the CL. We're not Benfica or Ajax trying to develope and sell players to fund the club, and you rarely win anything continentally with that model.

What San Fabio did after caused much more damage, he doubled down on fantasy football, the gamble failed, so that was the end of that competitive cycle.

 

[RKid1]

I hope we keep shopping in Ligue 1 after Khepren and Todibo. My ideal young baller target is:


He is one of the smartest signings a top club can make.

Ball-striking, clean wing play, smart touches in central areas with the ability to consistently generate separation for a carry/dribble.

Rumoured price less than 50M, no brainer.

it sounds like Bayern and PSG are snooping around him. If they're serious about him, it's hard to imagine having a chance.

 

[Osman]

it sounds like Bayern and PSG are snooping around him. If they're serious about him, it's hard to imagine having a chance.

Not sure about PSG, but heard Bayern and other top clubs indeed, think his price will be 40-50m range tops either way.


He is extremely special talent, Neymar playstyle but more of a midfielder who can playmake and create besides the dazzling dribbles.


Rennes youth set up is sick.

 

[CarloP]

selling soulé, iling, barrenechea and huijsen is purely motivated by the lack of alternatives to sell. if old fuckers like kostic, mds, arthur or milik could generate similar revenue, you can bet that the club will sell them instead. look at mckennie, he's apparently having a market himself, but he's a picky bitch and asks for too much. or there's chiesa, who's fitness concerns every potential buyer. or tek, who's a good goalie but on insane wages. or rugani, who had to lower his wages and extend in order to become semi-marketable. props to rugani, he could have said no to the club's offer. even vlahovic is virtually unsellable while he's on 12m net. this is the legacy of the incompetence of the post-marotta era for you.

tl;dr: it's either bremer or the youngsters

Yep I agree, its a shitty situation. I just think its a short-sighted decision to sell Soule and let these dead weight players rot at the club. Rather sell them at bargain prices, pay Como or whoever part of the wages to just raise some funds and move on.

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Never knew a winger/wide forward's attacking output would be higher than a central midfielder who has been used in literally every position in midfield.

Very intriguing comparison

Are you saying Koop's main strength is something other than his attacking play? Because the only real difference in their heatmaps is that Koop plays on both wings, whereas Soule is strictly a RW. We already signed Thuram and Douglas Luiz for central mid.
Koop:

Soule:

 

[Alen]

I want Ødegaard. All the other midfielders are so underwhelming.
I'd take Lion's boy Fabian Ruiz too.

 

[RKid1]

 

[Dostoevsky]

I want Ødegaard. All the other midfielders are so underwhelming.
I'd take Lion's boy Fabian Ruiz too.

Getting either Odegaard or Saka would require at least $150 million euros, though.

 

[RKid1]

Hypothetical situation, how would people feel about this situation? Would you be ok, or would you see it as a complete disaster?

Koopmeiners proves to be too expensive, but Chiesa and Soule remain.

We go into the season with Vlahovic leading the attack with Chiesa, Yildiz, and Soule as our primary wings (with the ability to play all 3 in certain circumstances).

Our midfield takes a big hit missing out on Koopmeiners, and now it's looking like a combination of Luiz, Thurum, Locatelli, Fagioli, Miretti, and someone like Nicolussi.

Huijsen gets sold, and replaced by someone like Todibo, who starts next to Bremer.

If that was essentially what we were looking at going into the season with others like Szczesny, McKennie, De Sciglio, Rugani, Arthur, Milik etc being sold and maybe another minor signing or 2, would you be ok with that?

This is pretty much asking, if we cant sell Soule/sign Koopmeiners, would you rather still sell Soule and look for a replacement for Koop + another wing, or would your rather keep Soule and not make a big midfield signing?

This isnt a what you think is most likely to happen --- I'm asking how you would personally feel about this scenario.

Also, you cant say sell Chiesa and keep Soule in this scenario. Until we get buzz that Chiesa has serious offers from clubs he'd actually be willing to join, I have him staying with Juve.

 

[DanielSz]

Hypothetical situation, how would people feel about this situation? Would you be ok, or would you see it as a complete disaster?

Koopmeiners proves to be too expensive, but Chiesa and Soule remain.

We go into the season with Vlahovic leading the attack with Chiesa, Yildiz, and Soule as our primary wings (with the ability to play all 3 in certain circumstances).

Our midfield takes a big hit missing out on Koopmeiners, and now it's looking like a combination of Luiz, Thurum, Locatelli, Fagioli, Miretti, and someone like Nicolussi.

Huijsen gets sold, and replaced by someone like Todibo, who starts next to Bremer.

If that was essentially what we were looking at going into the season with others like Szczesny, McKennie, De Sciglio, Rugani, Arthur, Milik etc being sold and maybe another minor signing or 2, would you be ok with that?

This is pretty much asking, if we cant sell Soule/sign Koopmeiners, would you rather still sell Soule and look for a replacement for Koop + another wing, or would your rather keep Soule and not make a big midfield signing?

This isnt a what you think is most likely to happen --- I'm asking how you would personally feel about this scenario.

Also, you cant say sell Chiesa and keep Soule in this scenario. Until we get buzz that Chiesa has serious offers from clubs he'd actually be willing to join, I have him staying with Juve.

if they pass on Koop i highly doubt they would just go into the season with what theyve got, they would still need a starting CAM. But they know exactly what Koop costs, I dont think they will miss signing him.

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Schira says Roma is confident theyll close Soule next week and expects a new bid soon.

Pedulla says Monza wants De Sciglio