Summer Mercato season 2023-24 (70 Viewers)

[Bianconero81]

If you stopped moving the posts, your realism would be worth something bro. Your claim was we have to sell because Allegri, now your point is we sell because no CL. I just disagreed with you on the Allegri part, now you put into my mouth words I've never spoken. I never said we'd keep Vlahovic without CL, I realize this might be a good enough of a reason to sell. I still hope we keep him and look for savings with sales/offloading of bums/unnecessary players.
I never presented any scenario to begin with but anything works as long as you have the need to feel right on an internet forum

As mentioned above, we need to sell Vlahovic for something way bigger than 60m, because that's his book value I think. That's why Vlahovic's sale won't be like De Ligt. It might happen that Bayern comes in and offers 80m+, if it is so, he's probably gone. Then, perhaps we're lucky enough with sales of Kulu, Zakaria, McKennie and we keep him. Di Maria and Paredes are already gone, Rabiot is pretty much gone. Add to that AS and Bonucci and maybe it won't be that bad...

We will probably have to sell because of Failegri, as I do sincerely believe some players, perhaps Vlahovic too, might have become disillusioned with the club after the season we've had and the "football" we've been playing. Coupled with the absence of CL football next season, it becomes inevitable that sales will be necessary.

I don't trust our board to make the right decisions. They never did in the past, especially with regards to sales, so I don't see why they will start now. Moreover, we have a bunch of incompetents in charge who know nothing about football, so I have zero confidence moving forward. I do hope you are right, but after these past two seasons (actually since the Ronaldo purchase), I have lost my faith in the club.

 

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[s4tch]

Valhovic can't be sold for less than 60m I guess...

his book value must be around 53-55m

 

[LiquidPLP]

We will probably have to sell because of Failegri, as I do sincerely believe some players, perhaps Vlahovic too, might have become disillusioned with the club after the season we've had and the "football" we've been playing. Coupled with the absence of CL football next season, it becomes inevitable that sales will be necessary.

I don't trust our board to make the right decisions. They never did in the past, especially with regards to sales, so I don't see why they will start now. Moreover, we have a bunch of incompetents in charge who know nothing about football, so I have zero confidence moving forward. I do hope you are right, but after these past two seasons (actually since the Ronaldo purchase), I have lost my faith in the club.

Well, the past couple of years were this: Agnelli's and Paratici's "galacticos" aka complete madness and then a bunch of accountants entered the shop to avoid the catastrophe at the very last minute because Agnelli's ship was full speed heading onto the iceberg.

For me it's not surprising, they've been limiting the damage and the downsizing was always going to be ugly because it started way too late.

I don't believe they're SO incompetent, more likely they inherited the club in a very bad situation. Just try to remember Cherubini's words from the wiretaps "it's worse than calciopoli". We get pissed off that Alex Sandro's automatic renewal was triggered but very few actually know that his contract was structured like so that the extension was guaranteed. Same goes for Tek and the likes. We need to thank Paratici for that who was obsessed with plusvalenza just to buy more shiny toys. Now we're reaping what was sown, so any manager would look incompetent is such a scenario.

It sucks bro but it will get better. Unfortunately things like that don't happen overnight, nobody wants to give up money in this business: starting from the likes of Ramsey and AS, finishing with Allegri who would have been gone by now if only he was willing to give up something.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Soule close to an exit this summer. Great project Juve. Let's renew the likes of cuadrado however.... seriously you'd think Stevie Wonder is running this club.

 

[LiquidPLP]

his book value must be around 53-55m

Not that much of a difference then. Either way, we'd need to sell for at least 75m+ to make a sensible capital gain IMO. Otherwise we don't sell.

Or the situation is so dire that we sell in order to make the ends meet?

 

[Nejc]

We get pissed off that Alex Sandro's automatic renewal was triggered but very few actually know that his contract was structured like so that the extension was guaranteed. Same goes for Tek and the likes.

Do you have more info than the rest of us on this? Were the autorenewal conditions “club not to be relegated” or something? All the info shared around was in the range of “needs to play 30+ games” which could easily be avoided.

 

[Fellas]

Soule close to an exit this summer. Great project Juve. Let's renew the likes of cuadrado however.... seriously you'd think Stevie Wonder is running this club.

Yes and Sergej to us, also Songo from Torino, Gnonte, Zaniolo soon done.

Chiesa out to.

Then I wake up and reminded me that it's mercato news and not everything happens. Chill down dude, things will happen but don't believe everything, he could leave but who knows atm, will we have a buy back? Is it a loan? Could he stay even.

 

[Mokku]

I heard that it's true that Chiesa is unhappy at Juventus and there is interest from EPL teams, finances are being put together to bring him over to the UK. There's a chance he leaves unless Allegri pisses off and Juventus show him a serious project. Him and others are frustrated by shitty tactics. So far, nothing concrete for Vlahovic yet. Usually, once the agent makes a move then the finance package gets drafted.

 

[JuveJay]

GdS and CdS are pushing this narrative at the moment. After all, why wouldn't they?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Yes and Sergej to us, also Songo from Torino, Gnonte, Zaniolo soon done.

Chiesa out to.

Then I wake up and reminded me that it's mercato news and not everything happens. Chill down dude, things will happen but don't believe everything, he could leave but who knows atm, will we have a buy back? Is it a loan? Could he stay even.

Knowing the stupidity of this club? Nothing surprises me anymore

 

[Salvo]

GdS and CdS are pushing this narrative at the moment. After all, why wouldn't they?

It's all very predictable from them


What is everyone's thoughts on Gnonto?

 

[LiquidPLP]

Do you have more info than the rest of us on this? Were the autorenewal conditions “club not to be relegated” or something? All the info shared around was in the range of “needs to play 30+ games” which could easily be avoided.

I'm not sure if I have any more info on this. No, I don't have Alex Sandro's contract in my hands, I do some digging by reading VS since I can understand a couple of words in Italian. I tend to read some pieces over there as they have a couple of people who report different stuff. Sometimes it makes it easier to understand what's truly going on in the club, sometimes it doesn't.

What we know for sure is that Paratici was kind of obsessed with plusvalenza and renewals because he had to lower the costs all the time, so that he could keep on buying. Agnelli had full trust in Paratici, so much so that he could do transfers on his own without anyone's consent. Remeber Cherubini's wiretaps where he complained that Paratici is crazy and without asking anyone can sign players for 25m just like that? Apparently that's the way he bought Kulusevski, everything happened super fast and suddenly we had a player costing over 40m on the books.
So, if you also put together what we know about contracts he offered to players, you begin to understand how big of a disaster he truly was. Le's look at some examples.

Ramsey: was signed on a free, got a nice package of bonuses when signed. Nothing extraordinary. Then, it turned out he had in his contract additional 'loyalty' bonuses for each year he stayed at Juve. That's why he was so difficult to offload, because the fight with him was for salary + loyalty bonus.

Szczęsny: His contract contains similar thing as in case of Ramsey's. This was mentioned at least one hundred times in here by @Valerio.
Then, if you think that the clauses that Paratici put into players contracts were as simple as 30+ games, try to explain Szczesny's most recent automatic-contract-extension.
The player publicly criticized Allegri for the game style post-Sevilla and he gets a renewal triggered? Why is it triggered now, when his contract is expiring in 2024? Shouldn't he be collecting appearances next year to trigger it until 2025? It doesn't makes sense, especially considering the rumors that the's not happy and he'd like to leave and the club is looking to sell him as well (I think two gurus confirmed this on VS).

AS case is also interesting because the club extends him somewhere between February to April just to offload in June with severance payment? Who does that?
It makes even less sense when you take into consideration what Allegri's personal friend aka VS 'guru' (named "29-5-1985" over there) said... Apparently Allegri hates Alex Sandro because he's a stupid player and Max doesn't like players like that He wanted him sold already post-Cardiff. Apparently AS was one of the reasons for frictions with Nedved who defended the Brazilian. Allegri wanted him sold.
Then, you might ask: why does he keep on playing AS still? Because the club decides, they loaned out Cambiaso and Pellegrini to lower the costs so Max is left with Alex Sandro as the only LB... The bottom line is: the club knows the details of the contracts, perhaps the renewal was unavoidable so they kept him?

I realize that these reconstructions might not be the most satisfying but those clearly show that in a lot of cases the club has contracts to respect and nothing can be done about it. You don't extend a player you want to offload and the coach doesn't want. So there must be something written down that gives the player an advantage, otherwise he'd be gone long ago.

 

[radekas]

I heard that it's true that Chiesa is unhappy at Juventus and there is interest from EPL teams, finances are being put together to bring him over to the UK. There's a chance he leaves unless Allegri pisses off and Juventus show him a serious project. Him and others are frustrated by shitty tactics. So far, nothing concrete for Vlahovic yet. Usually, once the agent makes a move then the finance package gets drafted.

After this season Chiesa shouldn't be in position to demand anything from the club. If anything he should stfu and focus on improving his post-injury game, because right now he's more of a negative value than a superstar.

Not that he isn't right about Allegri of course.

 

[s4tch]

What is everyone's thoughts on Gnonto?

interista

btw i don't think we have many untouchable players at the moment. fagioli is one probably, otherwise i wouldn't be surprised if either of our current players would start next season at an other club

 

[Badass J Elkann]

It's all very predictable from them


What is everyone's thoughts on Gnonto?

Can he play Allegri style fullback?

 

[Nejc]

I'm not sure if I have any more info on this. No, I don't have Alex Sandro's contract in my hands, I do some digging by reading VS since I can understand a couple of words in Italian. I tend to read some pieces over there as they have a couple of people who report different stuff. Sometimes it makes it easier to understand what's truly going on in the club, sometimes it doesn't.

What we know for sure is that Paratici was kind of obsessed with plusvalenza and renewals because he had to lower the costs all the time, so that he could keep on buying. Agnelli had full trust in Paratici, so much so that he could do transfers on his own without anyone's consent. Remeber Cherubini's wiretaps where he complained that Paratici is crazy and without asking anyone can sign players for 25m just like that? Apparently that's the way he bought Kulusevski, everything happened super fast and suddenly we had a player costing over 40m on the books.
So, if you also put together what we know about contracts he offered to players, you begin to understand how big of a disaster he truly was. Le's look at some examples.

Ramsey: was signed on a free, got a nice package of bonuses when signed. Nothing extraordinary. Then, it turned out he had in his contract additional 'loyalty' bonuses for each year he stayed at Juve. That's why he was so difficult to offload, because the fight with him was for salary + loyalty bonus.

Szczęsny: His contract contains similar thing as in case of Ramsey's. This was mentioned at least one hundred times in here by @Valerio.
Then, if you think that the clauses that Paratici put into players contracts were as simple as 30+ games, try to explain Szczesny's most recent automatic-contract-extension.
The player publicly criticized Allegri for the game style post-Sevilla and he gets a renewal triggered? Why is it triggered now, when his contract is expiring in 2024? Shouldn't he be collecting appearances next year to trigger it until 2025? It doesn't makes sense, especially considering the rumors that the's not happy and he'd like to leave and the club is looking to sell him as well (I think two gurus confirmed this on VS).

AS case is also interesting because the club extends him somewhere between February to April just to offload in June with severance payment? Who does that?
It makes even less sense when you take into consideration what Allegri's personal friend aka VS 'guru' (named "29-5-1985" over there) said... Apparently Allegri hates Alex Sandro because he's a stupid player and Max doesn't like players like that He wanted him sold already post-Cardiff. Apparently AS was one of the reasons for frictions with Nedved who defended the Brazilian. Allegri wanted him sold.
Then, you might ask: why does he keep on playing AS still? Because the club decides, they loaned out Cambiaso and Pellegrini to lower the costs so Max is left with Alex Sandro as the only LB... The bottom line is: the club knows the details of the contracts, perhaps the renewal was unavoidable so they kept him?

I realize that these reconstructions might not be the most satisfying but those clearly show that in a lot of cases the club has contracts to respect and nothing can be done about it. You don't extend a player you want to offload and the coach doesn't want. So there must be something written down that gives the player an advantage, otherwise he'd be gone long ago.

Not that I really disagree with you but your reasoning is based on post-paratici management being competent/not retarded while there are plenty of examples showing otherwise.

Also regarding Tek, he could still refuse the extension especially if both him and the club want him to leave.

 

[LiquidPLP]

It's all very predictable from them


What is everyone's thoughts on Gnonto?

I don't think he's a target tbh. A Giovinco-like winger? I just don't see it with Allegri. He's not that good anyway, still very young tho.

interista

btw i don't think we have many untouchable players at the moment. fagioli is one probably, otherwise i wouldn't be surprised if either of our current players would start next season at an other club

Yeah, I think that's a valid point, however it must be said that the club cannot just sell everyone, they want to be competitive again and it has to happen as soon as possible - meaning we have to get into top4 as the minimum target next season. That's why if someone's sold, it has to be for A LOT of money.
It's not like we've been just relegated to Serie B.

 

[DAiDEViL]

After this season Chiesa shouldn't be in position to demand anything from the club. If anything he should stfu and focus on improving his post-injury game, because right now he's more of a negative value than a superstar.

Not that he isn't right about Allegri of course.

This.

 

[maxi]

❗Juventus would be happy to sell Chiesa for €45m-€50m. Bayern and Liverpool are interested in signing him. (Corsport)

Chiesa has decided to leave Juventus and look for other opportunities. He's valued at €30m-€35m by the club. Premier League might be his destination. (Gazzeta_it)

 

[Strickland]

interista

btw i don't think we have many untouchable players at the moment. fagioli is one probably, otherwise i wouldn't be surprised if either of our current players would start next season at an other club

I don't think we have many players any team in the world would consider good enough to pay money for:

1. 8 players are old, overpaid, crap or all of them - Woj, Bonucci, Sandro, Pogba, Rugani, Kean, MDS, Arthur
2. 6 might generate some interest, but probably only as bargaining chips / loanees - Soule, Miretti, Iling, Perin, Zakaria, Pellegrini
3. 7 could bring in a modest amount - Kostic, Fagioli, Rovella, Danilo, Gatti, Locatelli, McKennie
4. 3 could bring in a good amount - Vlahovic, Chiesa, Bremer

as I understand it, we already said goodbye to ADM, Paredes, Milik and as it stands Rabiot and Cuads will likely follow them. if we significantly cut down the 1st category, especially the high earners, don't add any more players there and retain most from the 3rd and everyone from the 4th category, I'll be the Nr.1 fan of the new SD.