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Dostoevsky

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Competition means number of high quality teams. A team winning 59pts isn't competitive, a team winning 70-80 is. So the league with more such teams is more competitive. But that's besides the point. Strikers don't usually score a lot here. The league is more defensive in general, teams defend deep vs us and we don't try to score 4,5,6 goals often. So it's more difficult for a individual to have his numbers. You're more likely to win as a team tho

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So you compare us to Tottenham? And Leicester lol
No, I did not compare us to them. I was saying how many tough matches we'd be playing each year. Those teams would actually scare me, unlike Sampdoria, Sassuolo and others.
 

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zizinho

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No, I did not compare us to them. I was saying how many tough matches we'd be playing each year. Those teams would actually scare me, unlike Sampdoria, Sassuolo and others.
But you took out Tottenham and put us in. That would be like putting City in Serie A instead of Roma. I'm sure they would win domestic doubles each year last half decade right?

All the years under Allegri I wasn't afraid of a single English team, not even a bit. Now it's different though
 

LiquidPLP

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Everything about that tweet is a lie probably.
Why? Romagnoli makes sense in our situation to some extent. His contract is expiring and I could see Allegri getting more out of him, especially in a Juve shirt, next to De Ligt.

I assume here that Chiellini is as good as gone and Demiral will be this year's plusvalenza. Bonucci will play big chunks for a couple of years too but Romagnoli - De Ligt sounds very possible IMO.
 

Mike-e-y

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I think there should be a distinction between winning and losing players/coaches/clubs. Tottenham hasn't won shit since forever, and they had great teams last decade or so. There is 3 domestic competitions and one european each year. Arsenal no matter how shit they are win the FA Cup regularly atleast. But then there is also overachievers and underachievers. Which of the two is Kane decide for yourself. I'll break down his career in short:
14/15 he scored 21 goals in the league and they finished 5th with 64pts. Weak competition tho, only Mou's Chelsea with 87pts and three 70+pts teams. They lost the EFL cup final to same Chelsea so that's fair. He didn't score. Lost in the 4th round of FA Cup to Leicester but without him. Lost in the EL Ro.32 to Fiorentina but he didn't play. So average season

15/16 he scored 25 in the league and they finished 3rd with 70pts, in a even weaker competition. Leicester with 81pts and Arsenal with 71pts. Losing the 5th round of FA Cup with him and many starters against Crystal Palace. Losing the EFL cup 3rd round against Arsenal with him playing. He didn't score in neither. Lost the EL Ro.16 to Dortmund, with him playing 24 minutes. So another average season but CL qualifications thanks to underachieving top clubs.

16/17 29 goals in the league, 86pts, 2nd place behind Contes Chelsea who won 93pts. 3 other teams finished with 70+pts and ManU with 69pts so it was a rather competitive season unlike past ones. Lost FA cup semifinal against Chelsea 4-2 and scored once. Lost the EFL cup 4th round vs Liverpool without him. Finished 3rd in CL group stage behind Monaco and Leverkusen with him scoring two goals, and then lost to Gent in the EL Ro.32 with him scoring once, but in the wrong net. It was 3-2 on agg. So other than the premier league rather average in other competitions.

17/18 30 goals in the league, 3rd place finish with 77pts, so a weaker competition again (City 100, Mou's ManU with 81, pool 75, Chelsea 70). Lost EFL 4th round vs WHU without him, lost FA cup semifinal vs ManU, with him. He didn't score. Lost to Juventus in Ro.16 of CL, 3-4 agg. Scored once.

18/19 17 goals in the league, 4th place with 71pts. City and Pool close to 100pts but Chelsea and Arsenal hang around 70pts. ManU 66pts. Was injured a lot of season and team played better with him out, except the EFL cup where they lost to Chelsea after having a 1-0 lead from the 1st game where he scored. CL they went on their biggest run ever with him out, eliminating a great City and Ajax side, then lost final with him back. Even vs Dortmund in Ro.16 they were better the game without him than the game with him. So asterisk season due to injury but also great team achievement in the CL without him.

19/20 18 goals in the league, 6th place. 59pts. Average competition, pool with 99, City 81, United and Chelsea 66 pts. Leicester 62. Another injury ridden season, and this time team didn't look better without him. Lost to Leipzig and lost both domestic cups. But team weaker than year before definitely.

20/21 so far 21 goals in the league, 4 games to go. 56 pts, 6th place. Average competition as we get at best 3 70+pts teams and City with barely over 90pts at best. FA cup lost 5th round to Everton, scored once. EFL cup lost final to City, didn't score. EL lost to Dinamo, scored twice.

With the NT, Euro 2016 zero goals, lost to Iceland in Ro.16. World Cup 2018 scored one goal (penalty) in the knockouts despite playing maximum number of games and every minute. Nations League lost the semifinal vs Netherlands and didn't score again.

Imo he's a talented CF but he hasn't shown it at the biggest stage. Most of the biggest games he played he went missing. So I'd rather pass on him
Great post and you certainly raise some points about his big game mentality. Having said that Tottenham have a tendency to have that impact on their players. You could make a similar case for Modric and Bale in their Spurs days and it was only after this that they proved themselves to be serial winners - Kane would no doubt experience something similar

Tottenham is just a loser club, it runs through their veins, for an apparent ‘big’ team they consistently achieve nothing. Kane’s main flaw IMO is loyalty, he believed they were on an upward path (close to league titles, cup finals, CL final) and he stuck it out too long there, he should have left after their CL loss.

If he was available I would snap him up in a heartbeat - look how Lukaku improved inter, Kane is a better player on all levels
 

MikeM

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Why? Romagnoli makes sense in our situation to some extent. His contract is expiring and I could see Allegri getting more out of him, especially in a Juve shirt, next to De Ligt.

I assume here that Chiellini is as good as gone and Demiral will be this year's plusvalenza. Bonucci will play big chunks for a couple of years too but Romagnoli - De Ligt sounds very possible IMO.
Romagnoli is certainly possible but the chain of events in that tweet is very hard to believe. Our board, who may or may not even be here next year and who has never got input from the coaches for transfers, has already asked one of the two possible coaches that they may or may not hire (one of which is currently in the UCL semis) about what LCB they want in the event that they move on from 3 other LCB choices (2 of which are immovable).
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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Why? Romagnoli makes sense in our situation to some extent. His contract is expiring and I could see Allegri getting more out of him, especially in a Juve shirt, next to De Ligt.

I assume here that Chiellini is as good as gone and Demiral will be this year's plusvalenza. Bonucci will play big chunks for a couple of years too but Romagnoli - De Ligt sounds very possible IMO.
the club is going young, so I believe the idea of partnering de Ligt with someone younger, and preferably left footed. And I also believe Demiral will be sold. I could see Chiellini staying as a backup/locker room presence.

idk how I feel about Romagnoli, he was good when I actually payed attention to him, but that was years ago. Badiashile is exactly the type of player we should be targeting though.
 

LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
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Romagnoli is certainly possible but the chain of events in that tweet is very hard to believe. Our board, who may or may not even be here next year and who has never got input from the coaches for transfers, has already asked one of the two possible coaches that they may or may not hire (one of which is currently in the UCL semis) about what LCB they want in the event that they move on from 3 other LCB choices (2 of which are immovable).
They're spending shitload of money on Donnarumma as we speak and you doubt that the club is already trying to make some priorities?

Allegri specifically could have already said who he wants: all his 'ins and outs' etc. I'd say it's very possible. Yeah, I'm expecting his comeback regardless of what Pirlo achieves from here until the end of the season.

As for Zidane I'd agree with your remark - his future surely depends on the results, he surely focused on Madrid now. Most probably he's not coming anyway. I don't see why he'd leave Madrid or why they would fire him in the first place.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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They're spending shitload of money on Donnarumma as we speak and you doubt that the club is already trying to make some priorities?

Allegri specifically could have already said who he wants: all his 'ins and outs' etc. I'd say it's very possible. Yeah, I'm expecting his comeback regardless of what Pirlo achieves from here until the end of the season.

As for Zidane I'd agree with your remark - his future surely depends on the results, he surely focused on Madrid now. Most probably he's not coming anyway. I don't see why he'd leave Madrid or why they would fire him in the first place.
wasn’t there also a report less than a week ago about Elkann/Agnelli putting more capital into Juve?
 
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