Summer mercato 2015 (64 Viewers)

[Ocelot]

How? That is a hyperbolic statement. Close to perfection? Seriously? I would have called it a solid 6, maybe even a weak 7 out of 10, but close to perfection is exaggerating a bit.

It really was the right time for Pirlo to leave.
Tevez' leaving a year early was a little stain, sure, but he would've been gone a year later for sure, wanted out, and I don't think the deal was a rip-off considering what I've read about Vadala.
Khedira for free.
Dybala looks like a massive talent and the best Tevez replacement available.
Ogbonna sold for 12 fucking million.
Sorensen sold for 2.5 million.
Cerri for free.
Zaza is massively underrated on this forum, and discussions about his price never take into account the inflated amount of money we got for him last year as well as how it is interconnected with the Berardi deal.
Mandzukic is a very solid CF, very well suited to transition the team in the post-Tevez phase.

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And I know I've only presented a rather one-sided view here, there were a few negative aspects as well, but if you consider that Pirlo's and Tevez' departures can't really be put down on the management, the mercato up to Vidal's sale was very very good.

 

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[LiquidPLP]

One European semifinal and one final, total domination of home League, ranked in top 8 Euro teams: I think we are actually more attractive than we think.
Ah, and Turin is a good place for footballers, definitely the best in Italy, fans don't hassle you everytime you walk around town, quality of life is very high, one hour from the sea,half an hour from ski slopes ....

I believe you're right but at the end of the day my point stands still. Reus is not coming unless Beppe has 50-60m up his sleeve and another 10m for salary. What I want to say is that people shouldn't expect us to sign these type of players because it's beyond unrealistic. Reus and Gotze are impossible to get while Schalke plays a hardball on Draxler proving he won't come here for cheap despite the poor season he had. At this point I think we'd be better off looking for someone else. Draxler for 30m is a bad business especially with a player like Berardi being in our hands. W ebarely ever buy WC players anyway and I don't see why it should or could change now.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

How? That is a hyperbolic statement. Close to perfection? Seriously? I would have called it a solid 6, maybe even a weak 7 out of 10, but close to perfection is exaggerating a bit.

Replaced Storari with Neto (clear upgrade)

Replaced Ogbonna with Rugani (huge upgrade)

Replaced Matri with Zaza (decent upgrade)

Khedira on a free (most underrated transfer in this transfer window in all of Europe IMO)

Dybala to replace Tevez (a potential phenom of a player wanted by other European clubs, not on Tevez' level of course, but still an extremely exciting prospect) Oh and we also got first dibs on 4 potentially very good South American prospects in the process, plus 2 year loan of Vadala.

Replaced Llorente with Mandzukic (well this will eventually happen, but this is another very big upgrade)

I agree with him, up until Vidal's sale it was a near perfect mercato from us.

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"to bring balance"

Yep, and he is.

I'm the motherfucking scales of justice, bitch

 

[JCK]

I just read how we got rejected for Draxler. Man, this transfer window looks quite horrible lol.

It's faultless so far, I don't know what you are on about.

 

[JuveJay]

No one is spewing crap.

Vidal sold at lower than market value (considering how inflated the markets are)? Fact!

Losing Pirlo and Tevez, two key players for their contribution to the cause? Fact!

AM still needed? Fact!

Still stuck with Llorente? Fact!

Zaza for 18 million? Fact!

As things stand, the team is weaker. Of course, everything can change over the course of the next 4 weeks, but we shall see.

The Pirlo one is a bit of a Rafa fact. I think basically this mercato is hinging on the Vidal sale, as Ocelot points out. We are clearly moving towards a different approach so it's a bit of a 'wait and see' in terms of the AM player we bring in. You can't directly replace Vidal and we aren't even trying to.

 

[Fred]

The mercato up to Vidal's sale was close to being perfect honestly.

Now things look very differently, but not beyond saving. And while I wouldn't call it a success, it's definitely not a failure either.

I agree with the bolded part. Even though both Tevez and to a much lesser extent Pirlo's departures were a blow; to close the deals for players like Khedira, Dybala and Mandzukic (not mentioning Zaza and Neto, because they're more for depth purposes, and not an upgrade in quality) that early in the transfer window is as good as a club can do really.

The sale of Vidal changed the perception, and rightfully so IMO. Obviously there is still a lot of time left for the mercato to close, but you've got to be incensed at the price Vidal went for, no doubt about that IMO. Still, you never know, the next 5 weeks could be full of surprises.

 

[JCK]

Laugh all you want. I am entitled to my opinion, as you are to yours.

Unless we sign an AM and a solid option for LB, it is by all accounts a failure IMHO.

It's not a failure but I don't see how can one blatantly refuse to say that we became worse.

 

[Fred]

The Pirlo one is a bit of a Rafa fact. I think basically this mercato is hinging on the Vidal sale, as Ocelot points out. We are clearly moving towards a different approach so it's a bit of a 'wait and see' in terms of the AM player we bring in. You can't directly replace Vidal and we aren't even trying to.

Even the Vidal and AM one are Rafa facts. I agree with both judgments, but they're not facts by any stretch of the imagination

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I agree with the bolded part. Even though both Tevez and to a much lesser extent Pirlo's departures were a blow; to close the deals for players like Khedira, Dybala and Mandzukic (not mentioning Zaza and Neto, because they're more for depth purposes, and not an upgrade in quality) that early in the transfer window is as good as a club can do really.

The sale of Vidal changed the perception, and rightfully so IMO. Obviously there is still a lot of time left for the mercato to close, but you've got to be incensed at the price Vidal went for, no doubt about that IMO. Still, you never know, the next 5 weeks could be full of surprises.

You can mention the Zaza and Neto signings, because both will play big parts in the season IMO. And both are a clear upgrade on their predecessors.

 

[jakku7]

Zaza for 18 million? Fact!

I'm not going to argue about Vidal sale or Pirlo key role in this team in latest season, but as for Zaza... Do you really think that Sassuolo really intended to buy half of Zaza's card for 7.5m last year? No, they granted us a loan. A loan which had to be given back this year. Check how much we really spent on Zaza, taking into account all our earnings when it comes to his card over last 2-3 years. It will be the amount close to 3-4m.

 

[Ocelot]

I agree with the bolded part. Even though both Tevez and to a much lesser extent Pirlo's departures were a blow; to close the deals for players like Khedira, Dybala and Mandzukic (not mentioning Zaza and Neto, because they're more for depth purposes, and not an upgrade in quality) that early in the transfer window is as good as a club can do really.

The sale of Vidal changed the perception, and rightfully so IMO. Obviously there is still a lot of time left for the mercato to close, but you've got to be incensed at the price Vidal went for, no doubt about that IMO. Still, you never know, the next 5 weeks could be full of surprises.

The problem is that I can't see any player who fits our profile and which we could buy. Sure, Draxler for the right price would be a solid move (a huge gamble nonetheless, but with a high potential pay-off), but other than that it's either players who aren't available to us (Isco, Mata, etc.), those who don't posess the necessary quality to really be worth the investment (Mkhitaryan, Saponara, Vasquez), or those who are good players actually but not the type we'd need atm (Cuadrado comes to mind).

Of course a lot can still happen, but I'm not too optimistic at this point of time, keeping in mind that even without any new additions we're not that badly equipped and should still win Serie A & reach round of 16/8 in the CL.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

In all honesty, does anyone here think that Reus would consider Juventus a step forward in his career to Dortmund?

 

[Juventus 32]

http://www.tuttojuve.com/primo-piano/e-se-fosse-reus-246469


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AND IF IT WERE REUS?

Comes the rumor that Germany could make happy millions of fans of the Old Lady: Juventus would probing through intermediaries also the possibilities of getting to Marco Reus, champion Borussia Dortmund player who particularly appreciate the bianconeri fans. German media say that Juventus given the difficulties of getting to Draxler would probing Reus course with other spending parameters: forty-forty-five million Euros plus bonuses. The same media claims that Borussia have already moved the waters for the substitute who would always Shaqiri. Borussia was also offered Llorente. The rumor at the time should be taken with pliers and could be a move for Juventus to propel Schalke to lower demands for their own player, but if it were real, and if it materializes, would be the best buy for your money and definitely jersey number ten would be put on the shoulders of a player of global significance.

 

[alexjuventino]

In all honesty, does anyone here think that Reus would consider Juventus a step forward in his career to Dortmund?

He wont come, no chance in hell. In regards to your question, I think he'd probably only go to Bayern, Madrid, or Barca

 

[Xperd]

http://www.tuttojuve.com/primo-piano/e-se-fosse-reus-246469


Google translate

AND IF IT WERE REUS?

Comes the rumor that Germany could make happy millions of fans of the Old Lady: Juventus would probing through intermediaries also the possibilities of getting to Marco Reus, champion Borussia Dortmund player who particularly appreciate the white fans. German media say that Juventus given the difficulties of getting to Draxler would probing Reus course with other spending parameters: forty-forty-five million Euros plus bonuses. The same media claims that Borussia have already moved the waters for the substitute who would always Shaqiri. Borussia was also offered Llorente. The rumor at the time should be taken with pliers and could be a move for Juventus to propel Schalke to lower demands for their own player, but if it were real, and if it materializes, would be the best buy for your money and definitely jersey number ten would be put on the shoulders of a player of global significance.

 

[Ocelot]

http://www.tuttojuve.com/primo-piano/e-se-fosse-reus-246469


Google translate

AND IF IT WERE REUS?

Comes the rumor that Germany could make happy millions of fans of the Old Lady: Juventus would probing through intermediaries also the possibilities of getting to Marco Reus, champion Borussia Dortmund player who particularly appreciate the white fans. German media say that Juventus given the difficulties of getting to Draxler would probing Reus course with other spending parameters: forty-forty-five million Euros plus bonuses. The same media claims that Borussia have already moved the waters for the substitute who would always Shaqiri. Borussia was also offered Llorente. The rumor at the time should be taken with pliers and could be a move for Juventus to propel Schalke to lower demands for their own player, but if it were real, and if it materializes, would be the best buy for your money and definitely jersey number ten would be put on the shoulders of a player of global significance.

Fucking racist.


And please stop guys, you're only embarassing yourselves

 

[Juventus 32]

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I believe in

 

[Luftwaffles]

He wont come, no chance in hell. In regards to your question, I think he'd probably only go to Bayern, Madrid, or Barca

Yep, correct.

More pie in the sky.

 

[Paolino]

ReusON ?

In all honesty, does anyone here think that Reus would consider Juventus a step forward in his career to Dortmund?

Yes . I think Reus would consider Juventus a step forward in his career

 

[baggio]

Graziani linking us with Astori.

F*CK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 5m, I'd take him tbh. Barzagli not looking like he's going to last the course of the season.

Thus far, this Mercato has been a failure for me. We lost Pirlo, Vidal, and Tevez. We still haven't found an AM, and the season kicks off in just over 2 weeks (Super Coppa is in just over 10 days), the fitness of Barza is a concern, and we are still lacking in the LB department.

Khedira is no Vidal or Pirlo; he is a solid option, but let's see if he manages to stay fit. I don't really like or rate Mandzukic, and don't get me started on Zaza

Rugani and Dybala are the only two signings I am remotely excited by, and that is simply based on their potential.

It isn't a matter of right or wrong, but perception and difference of opinion.

I don't understand how anyone can label the Mercato, UP UNTIL THIS POINT, a success!!!

However, if people are so blindly optimistic, defiantly delusional, or incredibly obstinate depending on how you look at it, then so be it.

B81, you are right in large part about the fact that things are questionable, but it is like you say 'up until this point' that means we have time to act on this. There's no doubt about the fact that the managements work is cut out, and I'm pretty sure they know they owe it to Allegri and the fans, especially after selling Vidal to make a responsible move on which, our immediate and foreseeable future hinges.

Failure maybe a strong connotation at this point. What we essentially need to do is wait before we judge the capabilities of the club vis a via the targets we are chasing, before jumping to conclusion that we are going to end up empty handed. I am, like you, equally worried about where things stand at the moment though, for what it's worth.

One European semifinal and one final, total domination of home League, ranked in top 8 Euro teams: I think we are actually more attractive than we think.
Ah, and Turin is a good place for footballers, definitely the best in Italy, fans don't hassle you everytime you walk around town, quality of life is very high, one hour from the sea,half an hour from ski slopes ....

So true. You'd think the club could convince players with that track record, although I think it's the serie a that's hurting Juve more than the club itself.

Anyway, there is still plenty of time in the window, and we clearly have some money to spend.

I'm glad you think that way, because I'm pretty sure I read some apologist statements to the effect of Vidal being sold to balance the books etc.

According to calciomercato.com, the latest names are Davy Klaassen and Nasri to AM position, if Draxler deal would fall through.

Should've just signed Jovetic.

The problem is that I can't see any player who fits our profile and which we could buy. Sure, Draxler for the right price would be a solid move (a huge gamble nonetheless, but with a high potential pay-off), but other than that it's either players who aren't available to us (Isco, Mata, etc.), those who don't posess the necessary quality to really be worth the investment (Mkhitaryan, Saponara, Vasquez), or those who are good players actually but not the type we'd need atm (Cuadrado comes to mind).

Of course a lot can still happen, but I'm not too optimistic at this point of time, keeping in mind that even without any new additions we're not that badly equipped and should still win Serie A & reach round of 16/8 in the CL.

We will still win serie a? Quite an emphatic statement to make seeing as 3 clubs this summer have strengthened fairly decently this summer, while we are arguably weaker, psychologically and as a starting XI as things stand. Don't see how we 'should still win'. Might eventually be the case, but at this point it's not a foregone conclusion the way it was a year or two ago.