You're overreacting bro. It's going to be ok. Keep the faith.
This is the part where the arguments are going to get even more interesting.
Now I don't get why didn't we buy an AM first, then sell Vidal.
We don't know everything about the vidal deal yet. Something's clearly gone down on that front between player and club.
Unless we are getting isco i dont see how anyone could defend what just happened
You'll be surprised AJ.
September 1st: "it's a year of transition. Next summer we'll make big signings and Pogba will stay"
The only way a big signing is happening is if we sell Pogba.
Marotta has done great things and a few bad things so far, but the good ones outweigh the bad ones by far.
But any mercato move is different from the last one and can be judged by itself, regardless who did it - I don't care if i's Marotta or Jesus Christ.
This is looking very bad so far, possibly the worst in 4 years. Let's see how it ends, there's still time. I just don't see a great AM available to come. Actually not getting Draxler might be equal to dodging a bullet.
I agree, dodge Draxler, sign Goetze, and I don't think we are completely out of that frame either.
Come on Red, you know why. It's a reason to blame and that's all anyone here needs to point fingers.
That's unfair Hust, you're believing the media and the reports they carry about Beppe saying Vidal wanted out of the club even though you haven't heard anything from his end. And you're questioning those who are believing our first reported offer, which by the looks of it is perhaps around that figure because that is probably what has gotten the reaction that it has.
Going on by Schalke reaction, I think it is true.
As I said before, the must have been a verbal agreement between both clubs so Juve was allowed to talk to Draxler. Now, either, Marotta went with a lower offer to test schalke´s patience or the president made a U turn in the deal.
Anyhow, now that Marotta publicly stated that we are looking for an AM, together with vidal´s funds, we are not in a very strong negotiating position.
You can't verbally agree to a fee before talking to the player and go back on that if you're an aristocratic club like most of the big clubs are, including the first and second tier clubs especially.
The likely scenarios in this deal are
A) Beppe never wanted to buy outright, probably wanted a loan, but Schalke asked him to bid and he's made a bit he sees as an evaluation for somebody coming off an injury laden season.
B) He is perhaps not convinced by the player himself, and is taking his time on the deal, while he works on his true intended target, be it Goetze, Saponara or Cuadrado. Just to give the situation time to develop.
C) HH probably just overreacting and will calm down and talk numbers with a renewed bid since they are serious for Shaqiri.
#10 Saponara
15m+5m bonus.
next big thing
Vazquez better IMO.
i read a rumor that we are now after vasquez, mkhitrayian, and cuadrado.FUCK OFF seriuosly this is pathetic
So Draxler wasn't the only one available after all?
So Draxler wasn't the only one available? Boom.
GdS are saying something similar.
If Schalke did consider that offer to be way to low, then there wouldn't be much point in continuing talks because it would suggest they were looking for more than 30m and I doubt Juve would pay that.
which offer!? 15m plus 7m bonuses? Or are you reading and believing a higher number here? Coz it's more likely Schalke reacted badly being low balled and not because they changed their mind in selling the player. They're in advanced talks for Shaqiri, and Draxler was kind of on the market seeing their HH and his agents words in the last 10 days. Schalke was pretty genuine about the whole thing in my opinion.
Btw, don't know if this theme was discussed here, but Gotze have personal contract with Nike, while Draxler - with Adidas.
This can be important. And also personal contacts of other players at the radar.
Too much over analysis.
Oh that deal is not off. Schalke rejected the offer, and wants us to increase the next one by a good margain.
Marotta himself said so.
This is possible, but I'm hoping this was never our intended primary target in the first place.
can Silva come for cheap?!
Don't know if he can come cheap, but Beppe can certainly try to make it look that way.
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You're overreacting bro. It's going to be ok. Keep the faith.
This is the part where the arguments are going to get even more interesting.
Now I don't get why didn't we buy an AM first, then sell Vidal.
We don't know everything about the vidal deal yet. Something's clearly gone down on that front between player and club.
Unless we are getting isco i dont see how anyone could defend what just happened
You'll be surprised AJ.
September 1st: "it's a year of transition. Next summer we'll make big signings and Pogba will stay"
The only way a big signing is happening is if we sell Pogba.
Marotta has done great things and a few bad things so far, but the good ones outweigh the bad ones by far.
But any mercato move is different from the last one and can be judged by itself, regardless who did it - I don't care if i's Marotta or Jesus Christ.
This is looking very bad so far, possibly the worst in 4 years. Let's see how it ends, there's still time. I just don't see a great AM available to come. Actually not getting Draxler might be equal to dodging a bullet.
I agree, dodge Draxler, sign Goetze, and I don't think we are completely out of that frame either.
Come on Red, you know why. It's a reason to blame and that's all anyone here needs to point fingers.
That's unfair Hust, you're believing the media and the reports they carry about Beppe saying Vidal wanted out of the club even though you haven't heard anything from the players end. And you're questioning those who are believing our first reported offer, which by the looks of it is perhaps around that figure because that is probably what has gotten the reaction that it has.
Going on by Schalke reaction, I think it is true.
As I said before, the must have been a verbal agreement between both clubs so Juve was allowed to talk to Draxler. Now, either, Marotta went with a lower offer to test schalke´s patience or the president made a U turn in the deal.
Anyhow, now that Marotta publicly stated that we are looking for an AM, together with vidal´s funds, we are not in a very strong negotiating position.
You can't verbally agree to a fee before talking to the player and go back on that if you're an aristocratic club like most of the big clubs are, including the first and second tier clubs especially.
The likely scenarios in this deal are
A) Beppe never wanted to buy outright, probably wanted a loan, but Schalke asked him to bid and he's made a bit he sees as an evaluation for somebody coming off an injury laden season.
B) He is perhaps not convinced by the player himself, and is taking his time on the deal, while he works on his true intended target, be it Goetze, Saponara or Cuadrado. Just to give the situation time to develop.
C) HH probably just overreacting and will calm down and talk numbers with a renewed bid since they are serious for Shaqiri.
#10 Saponara
15m+5m bonus.
next big thing
Vazquez better IMO.
i read a rumor that we are now after vasquez, mkhitrayian, and cuadrado.FUCK OFF seriuosly this is pathetic
So Draxler wasn't the only one available after all?
So Draxler wasn't the only one available? Boom.
GdS are saying something similar.
If Schalke did consider that offer to be way to low, then there wouldn't be much point in continuing talks because it would suggest they were looking for more than 30m and I doubt Juve would pay that.
which offer!? 15m plus 7m bonuses? Or are you reading and believing a higher number here? Coz it's more likely Schalke reacted badly being low balled and not because they changed their mind in selling the player. They're in advanced talks for Shaqiri, and Draxler was kind of on the market seeing their HH and his agents words in the last 10 days. Schalke was pretty genuine about the whole thing in my opinion.
Btw, don't know if this theme was discussed here, but Gotze have personal contract with Nike, while Draxler - with Adidas.
This can be important. And also personal contacts of other players at the radar.
Too much over analysis.
Oh that deal is not off. Schalke rejected the offer, and wants us to increase the next one by a good margain.
Marotta himself said so.
This is possible, but I'm hoping this was never our intended primary target in the first place.
can Silva come for cheap?!
Don't know if he can come cheap, but Beppe can certainly try to make it look that way.
