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[alexjuventino]

Nor is Coman a winger, Asamoah a LB, Caceres a fullback or Marchisio a regista.

Modern players can play multiple roles and position.

Dybala would be pretty comfortable on the wing.

Coman is a winger and a regista isnt a difficult position when u are so athletic and well rounded like marchisio.

Just because someone has the skillset to play in a position doesnt mean we should force it on that player. Dybala is a forward, not a wide forward, unless Allegri plans on using it, id rather we get the most out of our younger players

And as far as the bolded part, doesnt mean that we should force them out of position just to play a formation

 

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[TheLaz]

Coman is a winger and a regista isnt a difficult position when u are so athletic and well rounded like marchisio.

Just because someone has the skillset to play in a position doesnt mean we should force it on that player. Dybala is a forward, not a wide forward, unless Allegri plans on using it, id rather we get the most out of our younger players

Coman is an attacking midfielder, CAM. Your argument is turned against you if you play Coman as LW. Dybala is pacy, technical and creative - out wide he'd get a lot more room to shine. In my view, Dybala is not a clinical top-scorer type of player like Morata which is why one could argue he would be more suited for a wider position. I'm not saying we should school him into a winger, i'm saying we could try him out there and see how he'd do.
We won't be playing 433 a lot of matches anyways.

 

[alexjuventino]

Coman is an attacking midfielder, CAM. Your argument is turned against you if you play Coman as LW. Dybala is pacy, technical and creative - out wide he'd get a lot more room to shine. In my view, Dybala is not a clinical top-scorer type of player like Morata which is why one could argue he would be more suited for a wider position. I'm not saying we should school him into a winger, i'm saying we could try him out there and see how he'd do.
We won't be playing 433 a lot of matches anyways.

I just dont like this idea of playing dybala out wide because then who is the other wide player? Morata? he needs to stay centrally

 

[zizinho]

Coman is an attacking midfielder, CAM. Your argument is turned against you if you play Coman as LW. Dybala is pacy, technical and creative - out wide he'd get a lot more room to shine. In my view, Dybala is not a clinical top-scorer type of player like Morata which is why one could argue he would be more suited for a wider position. I'm not saying we should school him into a winger, i'm saying we could try him out there and see how he'd do.
We won't be playing 433 a lot of matches anyways.

Coman is a winger/SS. Allegri said that when he was asked why he didnt use Coman as a trequartista

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I just dont like this idea of playing dybala out wide because then who is the other wide player? Morata? he needs to stay centrally

if we can get Lavezzi/Cuadrado we can play 4-3-3 more often, without having to play Morata out wide so often (he would still play wide few times i guess). 4-3-1-2 will still be our main formation, another winger will increase our options

 

[TheLaz]

I just dont like this idea of playing dybala out wide because then who is the other wide player? Morata? he needs to stay centrally

We could play Coman or Pereyra on the other side.

Coman - Morata - Dybala
Pereyra - Morata - Dybala

Id never play Morata wide.

Coman is a winger/SS. Allegri said that when he was asked why he didnt use Coman as a trequartista

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if we can get Lavezzi/Cuadrado we can play 4-3-3 more often, without having to play Morata out wide so often (he would still play wide few times i guess). 4-3-1-2 will still be our main formation, another winger will increase our options

Like I said, players can cover multiple roles and positions. Until Coman has established himself i'm not so sure exactly where he's best. Could be on the wing, could be at AM. Covering AM he'd play it his way as he's not the playmaker type of player. I can see him play AM like Sterling did it for Liverpool with Sturridge and Suarez up front.

 

[KB824]

The source of that article is tuttosport, and if thats all they want just trade for llorente. even swap

They wouldn't be able to afford to keep that salary.

If the Llorente to Tottenham rumors for 15 million are even remotely true, then sell Nando there, take that money and send it right to Porto for Sandro.

 

[JuveID]

Playing 4-3-3 does not means we must have winger.
Playing tridente morata, dybala and mandzukic does not means dybala and morata has to be winger.
Dybala and morata could get free role or maybe SS.
Morata at SS against fiorentina at coppa was so damn good.
Morata and dybala are not ordinary striker.
They are complete forward.

 

[alexjuventino]

They wouldn't be able to afford to keep that salary.

If the Llorente to Tottenham rumors for 15 million are even remotely true, then sell Nando there, take that money and send it right to Porto for Sandro.

if llorente wants to play in cl he will lower his demands

 

[adRHCP]

Just because Morata drifts wide it doesn't mean that he can be played wide.

Look at all of his clutch moments this past season, his goals, his assists. All of his decisive moments happened on the center.

He's a CF, not a LW nor a RW, but a CF. Center Forward. And he'll get to be one of the best there.

Playing him wide would be a waste. I remember how people complained at the thought of Tevez playing wide but not with Morata? When Tevez is a much more skillful, pacey, dribbler, who could put good crosses and long-range shoots. Morata is just fast, he's not much of a dribbler, we don't know if he is able to cross, and his long shots are not that good.

He has great positioning, reactions, he's good in the air and his finishing is great.

I feel like playing him wide would be like PSG playing Cavani wide, simply not worth it.

 

[JuveID]

Just because Morata drifts wide it doesn't mean that he can be played wide.

Look at all of his clutch moments this past season, his goals, his assists. All of his decisive moments happened on the center.

He's a CF, not a LW nor a RW, but a CF. Center Forward. And he'll get to be one of the best there.

Playing him wide would be a waste. I remember how people complained at the thought of Tevez playing wide but not with Morata? When Tevez is a much more skillful, pacey, dribbler, who could put good crosses and long-range shoots. Morata is just fast, he's not much of a dribbler, we don't know if he is able to cross, and his long shots are not that good.

He has great positioning, reactions, he's good in the air and his finishing is great.

I feel like playing him wide would be like PSG playing Cavani wide, simply not worth it.

His shot is so damn good.
You should look his shot against palermo.
Or his goal against empoli.
And it's not even his main foot.
Or you can check his some beautiful goal at real madrid.

He has quality to be more than ordinary 9.
His dribble is good, he just does not look fancy like another player.

 

[Gerd]

Boateng is/was and will forever be a waste.

Nor is Coman a winger, Asamoah a LB, Caceres a fullback or Marchisio a regista.

Modern players can play multiple roles and position.

Dybala would be pretty comfortable on the wing.

I am getting tired of hearing this from multiple people on multiple places . Yeah a lot of players can play in different positions , but not with the same results . You can't just get someone and have him play in another position and expect him to perform just as good , it doesn't work like that . It works with padoin who is pretty much average in anything , but take a good player and change his position and you will see his performance drop apart some rare cases . It's not just about the skills , it's also about the movements and the mindset the player has . If you take the AMF and the classic regista positions , what you need are pratically good passing skills , good vision , some dribbling skills , some pace in the amf case and some defensive skills in the regista case . By this assumption with a little work (on pace and defense respectively) they could be interchangable anyday , but it doesn't work . A guy who plays in attack for some years has a certain off the ball movement and someone who works in midfield has other off the ball movements and this comes instictively , it's not something that you can simply contain from doing . The mindset is totally different .

Yeah you can get decent results in some cases , but you are still losing potential from the players you play off postition . If you have 1 or 2 players out of position with good results it's okay , but if the number gets bigger it's better to change formation to better suit the players .

 

[Osman]

Yeah good example is Emre Can in Pool/youth German NT. He can do a task in multiple roles in midfield and defences, but kinda because he moved around and forced to. For Pool Rodgers used him to fill in wherever thats needed. Played as CB in 3 man defence, good with the ball but struggled with positioning, but generally became decent, then he was changed to RB, absolute mismatch and suffered quite a bit, opponents regurarly get past him etc. Now when he plays in CM/midfield marshall role, his natural role, as I saw him for u-21 Germany, he looks very good. And what Pool should use him as only, and probably will next season without Gerrard. People has this misconception that you can move versatile players to any role and they will naturally work out and be as natural as they are in their main position.



Btw, Coman IS a winger, the fact he can be used as SS/forward in a set up that has no wingers doesnt mean much. He isnt an AM/trequartista and will never be. His natural role is quite clearly wide attacking one.

 

[alexjuventino]

I am getting tired of hearing this from multiple people on multiple places . Yeah a lot of players can play in different positions , but not with the same results . You can't just get someone and have him play in another position and expect him to perform just as good , it doesn't work like that . It works with padoin who is pretty much average in anything , but take a good player and change his position and you will see his performance drop apart some rare cases . It's not just about the skills , it's also about the movements and the mindset the player has . If you take the AMF and the classic regista positions , what you need are pratically good passing skills , good vision , some dribbling skills , some pace in the amf case and some defensive skills in the regista case . By this assumption with a little work (on pace and defense respectively) they could be interchangable anyday , but it doesn't work . A guy who plays in attack for some years has a certain off the ball movement and someone who works in midfield has other off the ball movements and this comes instictively , it's not something that you can simply contain from doing . The mindset is totally different .

Yeah you can get decent results in some cases , but you are still losing potential from the players you play off postition . If you have 1 or 2 players out of position with good results it's okay , but if the number gets bigger it's better to change formation to better suit the players .

 

[adRHCP]

His shot is so damn good.
You should look his shot against palermo.
Or his goal against empoli.
And it's not even his main foot.
Or you can check his some beautiful goal at real madrid.

He has quality to be more than ordinary 9.
His dribble is good, he just does not look fancy like another player.

His Empoli goal was inside the area, and against Palermo was just outside. Great curve sure. But those ain't really long range shots.

And yet it doesn't take away anything of what I said, since both were on a central position. And neither takes away the fact that his strongest points are the ones I mentioned, and those points are better used as a CF. Sure his game is way more rounded than that of an usual CF, and that's what going to make him one of the best.

 

[Hydde]

Coman is a winger and a regista isnt a difficult position when u are so athletic and well rounded like marchisio.

Just because someone has the skillset to play in a position doesnt mean we should force it on that player. Dybala is a forward, not a wide forward, unless Allegri plans on using it, id rather we get the most out of our younger players

And as far as the bolded part, doesnt mean that we should force them out of position just to play a formation

He can play wide, and he should adapt to it if we are in need of it.

People seem to be too tunnel visioned about having the "new del piero" everytime a guy thatc an dribble comes. Man, we habve a pletora of forwards now...and using Dybala and morata everygame is a no go if it means benching mandzu zaza and coman frequently.

Dybala seems to have the skills to adatp to any position..and if he can play wide he should learn to play wide. Period.

Playing 4-3-3 does not means we must have winger.
Playing tridente morata, dybala and mandzukic does not means dybala and morata has to be winger.
Dybala and morata could get free role or maybe SS.
Morata at SS against fiorentina at coppa was so damn good.
Morata and dybala are not ordinary striker.
They are complete forward.

exactly. Like i said.. people want to have a proper 10 yes or yes. Del Piero is gone guys..we need to adapt according to what we have.

Just because Morata drifts wide it doesn't mean that he can be played wide.

Look at all of his clutch moments this past season, his goals, his assists. All of his decisive moments happened on the center.

He's a CF, not a LW nor a RW, but a CF. Center Forward. And he'll get to be one of the best there.

Playing him wide would be a waste. I remember how people complained at the thought of Tevez playing wide but not with Morata? When Tevez is a much more skillful, pacey, dribbler, who could put good crosses and long-range shoots. Morata is just fast, he's not much of a dribbler, we don't know if he is able to cross, and his long shots are not that good.

He has great positioning, reactions, he's good in the air and his finishing is great.

I feel like playing him wide would be like PSG playing Cavani wide, simply not worth it.

Tevez have been proved to not be able to play wide because he doesnt like it, is nto because he cant. Is teh same way with del piero. He always was reluctant to play wide..even when he had the tools to do it. He despised it and thats a no go to force a player to do something he doesnt like.

Morata has other characteristics Cavani doesnt, like for example..speed.

And, i say this because i dont know if yo remember.. but we bought mandzukic and Zaza...2 CF....and if you count morata as one..it would be 3 of them. This means that most of our expenses will be sitting on the bench... you are aware of that?.

I would prefer Morata as a CF.. but from those 3..he is the one with the characteristics to eb able to play wide. If him going wide lets us field more attacing players..then so be it. What i dont want is to have a lot of new purchases benched because we are stuck with 2 forwards in our formation.

 

[DeviAngel]

I love Lavezzi wouldn't mind having him here

 

[zizinho]

He can play wide, and he should adapt to it if we are in need of it.

People seem to be too tunnel visioned about having the "new del piero" everytime a guy thatc an dribble comes. Man, we habve a pletora of forwards now...and using Dybala and morata everygame is a no go if it means benching mandzu zaza and coman frequently.

Dybala seems to have the skills to adatp to any position..and if he can play wide he should learn to play wide. Period.



exactly. Like i said.. people want to have a proper 10 yes or yes. Del Piero is gone guys..we need to adapt according to what we have.



Tevez have been proved to not be able to play wide because he doesnt like it, is nto because he cant. Is teh same way with del piero. He always was reluctant to play wide..even when he had the tools to do it. He despised it and thats a no go to force a player to do something he doesnt like.

Morata has other characteristics Cavani doesnt, like for example..speed.

And, i say this because i dont know if yo remember.. but we bought mandzukic and Zaza...2 CF....and if you count morata as one..it would be 3 of them. This means that most of our expenses will be sitting on the bench... you are aware of that?.

I would prefer Morata as a CF.. but from those 3..he is the one with the characteristics to eb able to play wide. If him going wide lets us field more attacing players..then so be it. What i dont want is to have a lot of new purchases benched because we are stuck with 2 forwards in our formation.

@Hustini

 

[edgardavids2608]

Morata thrives making runs wide and being in space against a cb out there. Against a smaller quick outside back all game he isnt as good. Just because you go wide doesnt mean you can dominate there

 

[DAiDEViL]

I just dont like this idea of playing dybala out wide because then who is the other wide player? Morata? he needs to stay centrally

do we need another wide player?
we could play like this:

Licht---BonBon---Chiello
------------Claudio--------Evra
-------Vidal
----------------------Pogba
Dybala
-----Mandzu--Morata


sort of 433/442. could work imo. but max will do whats best

 

[Valentino]

Lavezzi is too old to play in Juventus now. Screw him !

Cuadrado on loan would be nice + a defender with llorente's money.