Summer mercato 2015 (42 Viewers)

[Hist]

Having creative/technical strikers to do lay-offs, will allow our central midfielders to have greater impact then they do in a 4312. Pogba's best season(second season here) and games was when we played 532 because he could go further forward. I'm no fan of Conte 532 but id like to see an Allegri 352 - now that we have excellent wingbacks/wide mids.

It's no necessity to have a regista for a 352. Sure, long range passes from Pirlo had impact on opponents' pressing style, but as you already mentioned, Pirlo's lack of defending is something we've eliminated with Marchisio's great stamina.

3-5-2 with Pirlo was extremely solid defensively. Defense was never our problem under Conte. Its only drawback was its Pirlo dependence for creativity (which was okay 90%) of the time. We used to also have Vidal which was a great goalscoring CM. So if we employ a 3-5-2 now, not only will we miss the main creative outlet but also one of the main goal threats. Pogba needs to double his figures to match vidal (and we had pogba back then too). We also downgraded in attack from Tevez.

The only improvement in this 3-5-2 over Conte's would be better attacking wingbacks. In terms of CM creativity and CM goal scoring and striker goal scoring and defense (with the decline of Barzagli) we are worse.

 

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[Zacheryah]

Most of Pirlo's "creativity" was neutered in the 352 because instead of pacing wingers from the 433, we now had wingbacks that came from much deeper, against double flanks. So it was mostly sending balls over the defence or spreading the play.

Or, losing the ball and gifting the opponent big chances. We were solid, cause we had players babysitting him.


Marchisio developped in a better player then the pirlo of the past two seasons. Defensively extremely solid, excellent passing range and ability. We lose vidal's aggressive game, but get a better passer in return with Khedira.

However, we had flanks that werent putting crosses. Big difference now that we have two flanks extremely dangerous going forward, especially cuadrado.

Coupled with a much better central forward in mandzukic, or the developped morata, this 352 is much better then Conte's 352.

 

[Trequartista]

he is really? based on what?

Khedira?

I've always thought he was good with Germany, did his job. I didn't watch him a lot for Real though.

 

[pavluska]

Admit it. You're a Marseille fan.

Nah, solo Juve.

Lemina seems to have good technique and physical attributes (is mobile and strong). He also seems to make good decisions. Can't tell about his mentality from youtube clips, but punching someone in the nuts like that doesn't bode well so far, lol.

He'd be Marchisio's backup, and he could also play as B2B with all the injuries. Khedira will remain injury-prone, and it'll probably take Asamoah some time to get back to his best.

We need another CM, and he meets the requirements in my eyes. A loan with option to buy deal for Lemina would be a good transfer.

 

[Hist]

Most of Pirlo's "creativity" was neutered in the 352 because instead of pacing wingers from the 433, we now had wingbacks that came from much deeper, against double flanks. So it was mostly sending balls over the defence or spreading the play.

Or, losing the ball and gifting the opponent big chances. We were solid, cause we had players babysitting him.


Marchisio developped in a better player then the pirlo of the past two seasons. Defensively extremely solid, excellent passing range and ability. We lose vidal's aggressive game, but get a better passer in return with Khedira.

However, we had flanks that werent putting crosses. Big difference now that we have two flanks extremely dangerous going forward, especially cuadrado.

Coupled with a much better central forward in mandzukic, or the developped morata, this 352 is much better then Conte's 352.

Marchisio is certainly not a better player than Pirlo during any year in the Conte era. There really is no comparison in terms of vision, possession keeping and passing range. Pirlo is the best player at that in the world. Marchisio is not even on the map. You are comparing Carrick to Scholes.

 

[duranfj]

We so gonna fail in europe with this annoying 3-5-2. We need to control the ball to makes this formation kind of work. AS &JGC needs to be deep so they're gonna need to be covert, both.

What is this nonsense that we cant play 4-3-1-2 with an AM. We reached UCL with this formation and we were awful in 3-5-2 with Tevez, Pirlo and the best Vidal we ever saw.

 

[Zacheryah]

Marchisio is certainly not a better player than Pirlo during any year in the Conte era. There really is no comparison in terms of vision, possession keeping and passing range. Pirlo is the best player at that in the world. Marchisio is not even on the map. You are comparing Carrick to Scholes.

Pirlo was excellent in his first two seasons under Conte. But the 3rd and the Allegri season, he was significantly falling back.


Marchisio has made exceptional development in the cdm spot. We have seen several assists comming of passes over or trough the defence when the opponent tried to push up. He is equally good at keeping possession, and has always had an excellent passing range.

Certainly, its not those swift accurate pensil stokes Pirlo had, but he's always been a great passer and has improved on that regard.


Last season, Marchisio's performances in the midfield have several times be considered world class, so you are really insulting when comming up with "comparing carrick to scholes"


I know you dislike Marchisio, dont understand things. But thats downright insulting to the best midfielder in serie a of the 14/15 season.

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We so gonna fail in europe with this annoying 3-5-2. We need to control the ball to makes this formation kind of work. AS &JGC needs to be deep so they're gonna need to be covert, both.

What is this nonsense that we cant play 4-3-1-2 with an AM. We reached UCL with this formation and we were awful in 3-5-2 with Tevez, Pirlo and the best Vidal we ever saw.

Your unneccecary post, is of very poor quality.

There is nothing wrong with 4312. Please join the list of people masturbating on the formation, and only the formation, cause of the formation !


In reality, a coach will play the formation that suits his players the most. for the 4312 We needed a cam or ss that could ask the ball and hold it, to then distribute it. Tevez was excellent at this. Even if he was not playing well, he was our connection point, who came asking the ball, and allowed us to move up. Pereyra as a cam cant do that, but because we ha Tevez it didnt matter.

Currently, tevez is gone, and we dont have an am or ss that can do that job. Dybala has a very different playstyle and requires an other player to do this task.


And because we dont have anyone that can do it, we arent playing 4312 for the time beeing.

 

[swag]

I'd take a 2013 Marchisio over a 2013 Pirlo anyday.

 

[Zacheryah]

both 13/14 and 14/15

 

[Bianconero81]

Fuck both Montolivo and Witsel. One is way over priced and over rated, and is a massive downgrade on both Pogba and Vidal. I seriously don't understand people being excited by that Belgian prick potentially joining us. The other is a Bonafide has been with a vagina the size of a black hole, and the grinta of a retarded marsupial.

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Congratulations to @Nicholas @AlexJuventino for posting Fifa formations that are actually worse than our real life starting 11. Good job fellas.

 

[Post Ironic]

I don't want either. They both suck. I'd rather get some middling young Italian talent like Saponara or Soriano than either of those two turds. Still be disappointing, but it wouldn't make me want to set up an auto-da-fé for Beppe like signing Witsel or Montolivo would...

 

[Bianconero81]

I aaamm cococonfii dd ent bebepppe will ggget us a toto p AM

Calma. Breathe Bro. Did u down that whole bottle of Scotch?

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I have learnt my lesson, as I couldnt imagine that Draxler would consider to move to Juve, but obviously he could imagine it.

I think players like Gündogan r a rare breed and if he is getting in form again, which I think he ll, then he is going to be a bargain for around 30m€.

There is hope. Such a humble Lord you are, Lord Meister Nos

 

[Zacheryah]

Montolivo as a 6th choise cm isnt that bad

25mil for Shitsel is

 

[juventus4life]

Now that Monaco is out of CL, who would Beppe buy?

 

[alexjuventino]

$#@! both Montolivo and Witsel. One is way over priced and over rated, and is a massive downgrade on both Pogba and Vidal. I seriously don't understand people being excited by that Belgian prick potentially joining us. The other is a Bonafide has been with a vagina the size of a black hole, and the grinta of a retarded marsupial.

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Congratulations to @Nicholas @AlexJuventino for posting Fifa formations that are actually worse than our real life starting 11. Good job fellas.

Im truly honored. Thank you

 

[ALC]

Fuck both Montolivo and Witsel. One is way over priced and over rated, and is a massive downgrade on both Pogba and Vidal. I seriously don't understand people being excited by that Belgian prick potentially joining us. The other is a Bonafide has been with a vagina the size of a black hole, and the grinta of a retarded marsupial.

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Congratulations to @Nicholas @AlexJuventino for posting Fifa formations that are actually worse than our real life starting 11. Good job fellas.

Lmao @ the second post

 

[Xperd]

Now that Monaco is out of CL, who would Beppe buy?

Joao Moutinho

 

[Salvo]

 

[Post Ironic]

Im truly honored. Thank you

We still love you, Boris Yeltsin.

 

[juventus4life]

Joao Moutinho

On Wiki, his current team is Bilan.