Stevan Jovetic - Forward - Fiorentina (17 Viewers)
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I swear Alen I knew you'd bring up Gila's stats.. 
for the sake of keeping the discussion short let's not argue who's the better player here (and how awful and uninterested Gila's been as of late), just assume they're more or less at the same level.
Bottom line is, at this point in time, the condition Fiorentina are in, the only way they could get a player like Quag to lead their attack is if they find a team like us who's willing to force the player to join them. doesn't matter if Quag is 3rd/4th choice here, he's still out of Viola's range, let alone if they were to offer 5/6 mil for the player. (and honestly you value him that much? forget about Jojo's swap here.. would you sell Quag for 5mil and who you replace him with for the said price?)
If we're to meet Fiorentina's asking price, they better respect our valution of our players that they NEED/WANT.
My beef here is with Fiorentina, just hate to see two of our players (tho they may not have a future here) go for peanuts and a good chunk of money again. yes Jojo is twice a figure Melo was, and tho he's wanted even by clubs outside of this league, there's been no offer as of now for him, so why should we panic the way Secco did and not try to get him for more reasonable price?
for the sake of keeping the discussion short let's not argue who's the better player here (and how awful and uninterested Gila's been as of late), just assume they're more or less at the same level.Bottom line is, at this point in time, the condition Fiorentina are in, the only way they could get a player like Quag to lead their attack is if they find a team like us who's willing to force the player to join them. doesn't matter if Quag is 3rd/4th choice here, he's still out of Viola's range, let alone if they were to offer 5/6 mil for the player. (and honestly you value him that much? forget about Jojo's swap here.. would you sell Quag for 5mil and who you replace him with for the said price?)
If we're to meet Fiorentina's asking price, they better respect our valution of our players that they NEED/WANT.
My beef here is with Fiorentina, just hate to see two of our players (tho they may not have a future here) go for peanuts and a good chunk of money again. yes Jojo is twice a figure Melo was, and tho he's wanted even by clubs outside of this league, there's been no offer as of now for him, so why should we panic the way Secco did and not try to get him for more reasonable price?
B3N, Alen is obviously right about the Gila-Quagmire difference.
And though there is no news whatsoever of our interest in him, one more aspect of me liking this possible signing is that we need players who shoot/score outside the box, and Jovetic had most goals outside the box out of any players in Serie A last season apparently (or highest procentage of ones goals being outside it, not sure which it was).
And though there is no news whatsoever of our interest in him, one more aspect of me liking this possible signing is that we need players who shoot/score outside the box, and Jovetic had most goals outside the box out of any players in Serie A last season apparently (or highest procentage of ones goals being outside it, not sure which it was).
You see, that would be lovely. But we are the ones who want their player. If Fiorentina are the ones who want Quag and start negotiations with us, then we can value Quag at 8-10m euro. It's your assumption that they "NEED/WANT" our players. I'm not sure they do, at least in respect to Quag. Fiorentina seem to be in trouble just like the majority of Italian teams and these teams would prefer a younger player who can be sold later. Not Quag. If they needed Quag and were ready to value him at 7,8,9,10m eur, they weren't gonna sell Gilardino at first place.
So if we somehow manage to send Quag there, it will have to be for a smaller amount. And I repeat, it's us who want their player, not the other way around, so we can't really be the ones who'll lead the negotiations and expect to finish them as winners.
So if we somehow manage to send Quag there, it will have to be for a smaller amount. And I repeat, it's us who want their player, not the other way around, so we can't really be the ones who'll lead the negotiations and expect to finish them as winners.
I just don't see how people value Quag for 5mil hoenstly. For this relegation battling Fiorentina, a striker for 5mil, their best bet would be Morimoto..
Alen don't foeget they pretty much invited us to bid for Jovetic, he was never in our plans after we brought in Gio.
They are entertaining the idea of cashing in on him. because even with Jovetic on the side, they barely made it out of relegation. they're not financialy in a position to keep him and build around him either..and he won't bring in much venue by himself either. it's not 100% guaranteed that they'll have a better offer next year either. (as if they even have any right now) it's gamble for them. they're in deep shet. that's why they sold Gilardino, not with the thought of upgrading on him.
Alen don't foeget they pretty much invited us to bid for Jovetic, he was never in our plans after we brought in Gio.
They are entertaining the idea of cashing in on him. because even with Jovetic on the side, they barely made it out of relegation. they're not financialy in a position to keep him and build around him either..and he won't bring in much venue by himself either. it's not 100% guaranteed that they'll have a better offer next year either. (as if they even have any right now) it's gamble for them. they're in deep shet. that's why they sold Gilardino, not with the thought of upgrading on him.
I value Quag much higher than 5m. Just for the record.
I'm thinking with the head of a financially troubled mid-table Italian team. You can follow the trend in serie A. Teams sell. Most of the teams simply don't buy for more than 5m euro. Fiorentina are in similar position. They sold Gilardino because that was the last chance to earn something from him and to get rid of his wages. Quag's wages won't be any lower than Gila's and the only way for Fiorentina to accept Quagliarella is if they get him for very cheap. They'd much rather prefer to gamble on some young kid who they can sell later. The Udinese scenario.
Fiorentina are certainly aware that a player like Quag will do good for them, but they simply don't care. It's about money and for these poor Italian clubs that's atm much more important than the success on the pitch. They see Quag as a bad investment. If they pay 8m eur for him, they won't get money back from this transfer. And that's why they'll never pay the fair price of a soon to be 30 year old.
I'm thinking with the head of a financially troubled mid-table Italian team. You can follow the trend in serie A. Teams sell. Most of the teams simply don't buy for more than 5m euro. Fiorentina are in similar position. They sold Gilardino because that was the last chance to earn something from him and to get rid of his wages. Quag's wages won't be any lower than Gila's and the only way for Fiorentina to accept Quagliarella is if they get him for very cheap. They'd much rather prefer to gamble on some young kid who they can sell later. The Udinese scenario.
Fiorentina are certainly aware that a player like Quag will do good for them, but they simply don't care. It's about money and for these poor Italian clubs that's atm much more important than the success on the pitch. They see Quag as a bad investment. If they pay 8m eur for him, they won't get money back from this transfer. And that's why they'll never pay the fair price of a soon to be 30 year old.
Go a few pages back.. there was a program on tv with their new GD on the show, and he was talking about Jovetic and Juve like a match made in heaven (tho it honestly is ) and with Jovetic's desire to leave you could see where all this come from.
That's true, but their spending power shouldn't determine value of our players. why double standards? we're a side within this league as far as I'm concerned.. we have to spend over the odds but when it comes to inserting our players into deals we have to go with what this league suggest they're worth? you see where I'm getting at.
) and with Jovetic's desire to leave you could see where all this come from.That's true, but their spending power shouldn't determine value of our players. why double standards? we're a side within this league as far as I'm concerned.. we have to spend over the odds but when it comes to inserting our players into deals we have to go with what this league suggest they're worth? you see where I'm getting at.
Jovetic asked to leave and he's open to idea of joining Juventus (then there was Savicevic with his comments on how he'd be perfect for us), then there was that show Prade talked as if how much it'd cost Juve if they were to make an offer. re-read the last few pages.
had a quick look and I can't find it too many pages (can remember person posted the quotes either) , but whether he was asked or he said it himself there was a talk of Juve and Marotta in that show, I'm pretty sure about that.
had a quick look and I can't find it too many pages (can remember person posted the quotes either) , but whether he was asked or he said it himself there was a talk of Juve and Marotta in that show, I'm pretty sure about that.
Jovetic being open to join us is not a stretch, that Prade has commented on our interest in that it will require certain amount of investment (specifically the "gentleman agreement" with Jovetic of listening to an offer if its 30m), or commenting that Matri is a "nice" player but has too high of a salary etc. What else has been said or hinted? No indication of "inviting" us to bid at all, got the opposite impression. Just responding to media speculation it seems.
Here's the video:
[video=metacafe;8775796/prad_direttore_fiorentina_su_jovetic_alla_juventus]http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8775796/prad_direttore_fiorentina_su_jovetic_alla_juventus _e_matri/[/video]
He clearly said (after the moderator asked) that it is NOT an invitation for Juve to bid, but if someone offers more than 30 m € they will have to listen to that offer.
[video=metacafe;8775796/prad_direttore_fiorentina_su_jovetic_alla_juventus]http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8775796/prad_direttore_fiorentina_su_jovetic_alla_juventus _e_matri/[/video]
He clearly said (after the moderator asked) that it is NOT an invitation for Juve to bid, but if someone offers more than 30 m € they will have to listen to that offer.
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