Stevan Jovetić - AM/SS - Manchester City (12 Viewers)

[napoleonic]

ogbonna is necessary backup but jovetic is not, typical italian view about football that is so archaic and outdated

it's almost as bad as american saying american rugby is called football, it's so against the rest of the world.

scoring goals are much more important than defending your own goal.

 

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[Hist]

Off the ball movement is not creativity, I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Creativity is finding spaces for a killer pass where a normal player couldn't, or do a crazy dribble that no one expected but somehow works, or a simple feint to throw off the opponent before unleashing a strike. That's what a creative player does, something that cannot be simply acquired by the gym.

Off the ball movement is being aware of tactics and smart about positioning of you in relation to your team and the opponent. However, against a parked bus, off the ball movement won't do much against unlocking a defence. A creative forward might pull off something to unlock a defence and leave a defender or two in the dust.

Llorente is a very good striker, but while clinical he's not the most skilled of forwards. Other than Tevez none of our other forwards bring anything special in this department...well, Vucinic also on match days when he had a good breakfast and was coddled in the morning by three girls. So not too often.

Having forwards with good off the ball movement is part of having a creative TEAM, hence the trezguet vs. Amauri comparison. Strikers that know how to move without the ball confuse defenders and destroy their organisation which creates space for the creative passers to pass in. Thats the beauty and sole strength of poachers. Inzaghi, Trezguet, Gomez and their likes are very poor dribblers and passers of the ball but their movement upfront is what allows play makers to create chances. Poor poachers fail at creating space for themselves and they get dispossessed of the ball as soon as it reaches them if it ever reaches them in the first place.

If you have the world's best crossers of the ball aiming at giovinco's head then these crossers' stats would be horrible despite it being Giovinco's fault. Here, the player crossing the ball and the player that should be heading the ball complement each other. A player with great crossing ability is nothing without a player with great heading ability and vice versa. The same thing applies to playmakers and strikers. You can have zizou, Ronaldinho and Pirlo struggling to create assists and/or deliver killer passes if the strikers are all Amauris (players with poor off the ball movement).

So yes I still hold that off the ball movement is part of a team's creativity... its half of it actually.

 

[ZoSo]

reading the last pages of this thread makes my head hurt

 

[Joe]

I had a minor stroke reading some of the posts in the last few pages.

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ogbonna is necessary backup but jovetic is not, typical italian view about football that is so archaic and outdated

it's almost as bad as american saying american rugby is called football, it's so against the rest of the world.

scoring goals are much more important than defending your own goal.

We play with 3 CBs, with no proper CB back-up? Does that make sense to you...

Tevez and Llorente is a very strong attack, with Vucinic and Giovinco on the bench, our MVP midfield, and our great backline.

What exactly were you expecting.

 

[Lion]

tevez and llorente is not a strong attack lol

tevez is washed up. he has not had a good season since west ham in 2006

llorente? yeah the guy no one aside from juve wanted. spanish amauri

 

[ZoSo]

tevez and llorente is not a strong attack lol

tevez is washed up. he has not had a good season since west ham in 2006

llorente? yeah the guy no one aside from juve wanted. spanish amauri

you are a pathetic human

 

[Khunglongkhelua]

tevez and llorente is not a strong attack lol

tevez is washed up. he has not had a good season since west ham in 2006

llorente? yeah the guy no one aside from juve wanted. spanish amauri

My head is spinning :facepalm2:

 

[Lion]

typical losers.

you guys cant prove me wrong so you use insults, using faces and other dastardly methods to discredit me.

jokes on you. you only discredit yourselves

 

[ZoSo]

typical losers.

you guys cant prove me wrong so you use insults, using faces and other dastardly methods to discredit me.

jokes on you. you only discredit yourselves

you are beyond reasoning, you know full and well that Tevez had great seasons at both Manchester clubs, his best season being 2010-11, yet you just enjoy being petulant for the sake of it.

 

[napoleonic]

I had a minor stroke reading some of the posts in the last few pages.

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We play with 3 CBs, with no proper CB back-up? Does that make sense to you...

Tevez and Llorente is a very strong attack, with Vucinic and Giovinco on the bench, our MVP midfield, and our great backline.

What exactly were you expecting.

litch can play cb, as is caceres, peluso, marrone, even vidal, asamoah

we have enough defensively good-great players already

but no matter how good a team defensively, if they cannot score, cannot unlock defenses, cannot make a difference in attack, how are they going to win anything?

yes I know tevez and llorente are something exciting to be anticipated for, but outside those 2 we don't have anyone else, we have seen what all those yesterday forwards can do, we have seen them enough and even conte himself can't find confidence in them enough except vucinic which is also we already know his level

too risky to have only 2 forwards that can be hoped for, with pirlo getting even older, we lack technical quality

at least get someone like insigne and don't loan/co own them out.

 

[Joe]

Lion is just trolling.

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litch can play cb, as is caceres, peluso, marrone, even vidal, asamoah

we have enough defensively good-great players already

but no matter how good a team defensively, if they cannot score, cannot unlock defenses, cannot make a difference in attack, how are they going to win anything?

yes I know tevez and llorente are something exciting to be anticipated for, but outside those 2 we don't have anyone else, we have seen what all those yesterday forwards can do, we have seen them enough and even conte himself can't find confidence in them enough except vucinic which is also we already know his level

too risky to have only 2 forwards that can be hoped for, with pirlo getting even older, we lack technical quality

at least get someone like insigne and don't loan/co own them out.

Lichtsteiner, Caceres, and all the others aren't CBs. They could fill in, but that's not their position. They don't excel there. They're shaky.

Tevez & Llorente are an upgrade, and you have Vucinic (our best striker last season) on the bench, and Giovinco.

We'll be fine in attack. We'll do much better in scoring goals than our last previous seasons and for a 9M investment (for both Tevez & Llorente) that's a great price.

 

[Lion]

yes I know tevez and llorente are something exciting to be anticipated for, but outside those 2 we don't have anyone else, we have seen what all those yesterday forwards can do, we have seen them enough and even conte himself can't find confidence in them enough except vucinic which is also we already know his level

too risky to have only 2 forwards that can be hoped for, with pirlo getting even older, we lack technical quality

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it's completely natural to have 1-2 players to be reliant on.

in fact all big teams do this. even teams like madrid or barca that are full of world class players crumble when ronaldo or messi are not in form.

even in our most powerful squads we only had a few players that were diffeence makers

now we have 4:
vidal
pirlo
tevez
govinco

and if pogba continues, he too can turn into a difference maker

 

[ZoSo]

it's completely natural to have 1-2 players to be reliant on.

in fact all big teams do this. even teams like madrid or barca that are full of world class players crumble when ronaldo or messi are not in form.

even in our most powerful squads we only had a few players that were diffeence makers

now we have 4:
vidal
pirlo
tevez
govinco

and if pogba continues, he too can turn into a difference maker

 

[Lion]

i'm right.

 

[Klin]

electriRoo, boo fucking hoo!

 

[ZoSo]

i'm right.

at being wrong

 

[MikeM]

litch can play cb, as is caceres, peluso, marrone, even vidal, asamoah

we have enough defensively good-great players already

but no matter how good a team defensively, if they cannot score, cannot unlock defenses, cannot make a difference in attack, how are they going to win anything?

yes I know tevez and llorente are something exciting to be anticipated for, but outside those 2 we don't have anyone else, we have seen what all those yesterday forwards can do, we have seen them enough and even conte himself can't find confidence in them enough except vucinic which is also we already know his level

too risky to have only 2 forwards that can be hoped for, with pirlo getting even older, we lack technical quality

at least get someone like insigne and don't loan/co own them out.

I agree with this 100%. I would even recommend a Llorente-Storari CB partnership against big teams like Bayern because of their height advantage. But I wouldn't want to rule out Giovinco either because he works really hard up front so I'm sure he'll at least be a decent CB.

 

[Hist]

Lion is just trolling.

Why ruin the fun

 

[Xperd]

Apparently he'll be earning 7m euros per season at City.

 

[Bianco2nero]

typical losers.

you guys cant prove me wrong so you use insults, using faces and other dastardly methods to discredit me.

jokes on you. you only discredit yourselves

You are just mad because the lion king is now ours and because of that you ugly scar man are just a little boy in a corner.