Yeah Ziegler in particular was horrible in that game.
In the recent one Lichtsteiner had a very good game against England, my dad was asking who he was as he's the sort of player all teams should have. Ziegler had a horrible first 5 mins and then nothing came down his side.
Well he did face a worldclass squad filled with the finest players of the world. But it was stupid too pick up cards like that, mainly the first yellow.