Stefano Sturaro (26 Viewers)

[Osman]

Lichsteiner has become a liability lately despite playing in his preferred right back role, Sturaro has not deserved to start whatsoever until latest game, while Mandzukic is back to being an absolute beast tho. Kinda level of work rate that many players would wish they had even half of.


We look more secure because that extra midfielder helps alot with this formation change, frees up Pjanic AND the fullbacks to push forward.

 

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[il brutto]

While they are individually not the strongest they are three hard working players that make it difficult for the opposition to play their game. Our pressing game has also certainly improved the further the season has gone.

Dani Alves and Dybala will be in the side once fully fit but I don't think there are any standout players to replace Sturaro in our team at the moment. Someone new coming in or Lemina getting his chance might change that.

 

[Zacheryah]

Lichsteiner has become a liability lately despite playing in his preferred right back role, Sturaro has not deserved to start whatsoever until latest game, while Mandzukic is back to being an absolute beast tho. Kinda level of work rate that many players would wish they had even half of.


We look more secure because that extra midfielder helps alot with this formation change, frees up Pjanic AND the fullbacks to push forward.

One could say, Sturaro showcased how that aggressive physical cm is greatly improving our midfield.


Imagine if we had such relentless force on the field each game.

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While they are individually not the strongest they are three hard working players that make it difficult for the opposition to play their game. Our pressing game has also certainly improved the further the season has gone.

Dani Alves and Dybala will be in the side once fully fit but I don't think there are any standout players to replace Sturaro in our team at the moment. Someone new coming in or Lemina getting his chance might change that.

Lets be very honest here for a moment

- if Stu plays that intensive all game every game, he must start, every game, cause it improves the living shit out of all those fancy players we got.

- he cant

- imagine if we have a player who can

- thats why we need that aggressive physical cm

 

[Post Ironic]

Not a charity lol, but I doubt they expect him to turn into anything close to a top player like they did with the mentionned two. I mean he is 23 and can barely pass and controll a ball, he is a good hustler and has warrior attitude, gives his all when called upon, but dont expect too much of him just because he had a very good game now.

That's not true though. His close control and dribbling were actually really good against Roma. I actually was shocked by a couple of the dribbles he made. I think he 4 or 5 successful dribbles in the match and his first touch was quite good. So there is technique buried in the guy somewhere. Rarely shows itself but it is there.

His passing, however, is appalling. But do you think it's technique and accuracy or just really poor decision-making. I've noticed him consistently make the wrong choice with his passes, but not as much accuracy issues. I could be wrong though.

Which is more worrying anyways? Poor poor decision-making and a lack of vision of the field... Or poor technique? I think Sturaro doesn't have great technical skill, obviously, but it's passable imo. He could become a Radja level player with the technical skill he has, but he sees the field very poorly and his decision-making is atrocious, which is what sets a guy like Naingollan so far above him right now. But Radja wasn't much better at 23 at Cagliari. He didn't really make a name for himself until the next season... The question is whether Stu can develop with regards to vision and decision-making. I still think he will never be more than decent rotation option at a top club, I don't think he will get to that level.

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I suppose there is always the "every dog has his day" explanation for any bit of technical skill he showed against Roma

 

[Hydde]

@Hydde

Bonucci learned to kick a ball here in juve

 

[JuveJay]

I actually don't mind Sturaro in the opponent's box. I think his attacking work rate and finishing is acceptable. I think he generates more chances then he should just because of his eagerness to put himself into good positions.

His passing is a big weakness. He loses any effectiveness when we have 60% or more possession.

But it is tempting to hang onto him in hopes of him sorting out the passing because an Italian CM who dies for the shirt is always a plus.

I don't think Vidal is that great a passer. He's much better than Sturaro though. What Sturaro needs to do is hone is game so he is mostly making tackles and then breaking into the opponent's box, it creates a bit of havoc and space for others, and we have tonnes of quality in that final third to take advantage.

 

[Xperd]

Vidal's first touch is also comfortably better imo. Vidal is at ease when in possession something I don't think Sturaro will be ever able to replicate. And this is the basic thing you need if you want to make it big here. I suppose he can be a valuable option by overcrowding the midfield in big games against big opponents but he's not someone I want to see start week in week out.

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I also really don't know how someone can say technical skills are overrated when A. Juventus is a 65-70% possession team that dominates most of its opponents B. Most other big teams play with technicians in midfield even defensive minded teams like Atlético have their midfield hustlers with very good technical ability.
If you are a top 5 team in the world , of course you need your midfielders to have atleast good to acceptable technical ability. In my opinion, Sturaro just ain't at that level yet.

 

[Ocelot]

Again, he's really cheap to have around, we've got no real opportunity cost of keeping him, and he's reliable (never injured).

No one wants him to start every week, but he's the definition of a great squad player.

 

[j0ker]

Again, he's really cheap to have around, we've got no real opportunity cost of keeping him, and he's reliable (never injured).

No one wants him to start every week, but he's the definition of a great squad player.

Wasn't he injured for like 3 months?

 

[Ocelot]

Yeah I'm an idiot

 

[il brutto]

Vidal's first touch is also comfortably better imo. Vidal is at ease when in possession something I don't think Sturaro will be ever able to replicate. And this is the basic thing you need if you want to make it big here. I suppose he can be a valuable option by overcrowding the midfield in big games against big opponents but he's not someone I want to see start week in week out.

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I also really don't know how someone can say technical skills are overrated when A. Juventus is a 65-70% possession team that dominates most of its opponents B. Most other big teams play with technicians in midfield even defensive minded teams like Atlético have their midfield hustlers with very good technical ability.
If you are a top 5 team in the world , of course you need your midfielders to have atleast good to acceptable technical ability. In my opinion, Sturaro just ain't at that level yet.

I don't think it's even debatable that technical ability is overrated among football fans. How many times have we seen people fap over a useless piece of skill that leads to absolutely nothing compared to a tackle that regains possession for example?

Of course you need to have some level of technical ability but most players who get to play for Juve have it. Sturaro needs to learn how to use his strengths and how to hide his weaknesses, there are very few perfect players in the world that excel in all facets of the game.

 

[Xorim]

Just let him grow, you never know how a player develops.

I am still absolutely amazed what happened to Bonucci, he was terrible before conte and now look at him. Furthermore he's italian, so that's another big plus.

 

[Ocelot]

The Bonucci comparisons are horrible.

 

[Post Ironic]

The Bonucci comparisons are horrible.

He should be compared to mid-field pitbulls who took a little longer to develop, not a highly skilled, ball-playing CB, who just lacked confidence and concentration.

Stu currently lacks football IQ, big time. Bonucci never had that problem.

 

[il brutto]

He should be compared to mid-field pitbulls who took a little longer to develop, not a highly skilled, ball-playing CB, who just lacked confidence and concentration.

Stu currently lacks football IQ, big time. Bonucci never had that problem.

Makelele, Kante and the likes are certainly better comparisons.

 

[sgjuveboy]

He should be compared to mid-field pitbulls who took a little longer to develop, not a highly skilled, ball-playing CB, who just lacked confidence and concentration.

Stu currently lacks football IQ, big time. Bonucci never had that problem.

Another 'expert' trying to justify his criticism on a player, using the term 'lack football IQ.' 'Football IQ' is another fluffy term like 'Fighting sense' in Boxing. Sound professional, but utterly meaningless.

Let me assist you in expressing your thoughts in a objective manner. Perhaps you meant Sturaro lacks good decision making in making passes. Granted. That can be learned tho. For me, he is absolutely Juve material.

When Conte played for juve, he admitted that he had to work extra hard to be in a team full of talented players, as he wasn't like them. But look how he became the captain.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Football IQ is not a "fluffy term" and it's not "meaningless." Because you can't learn it. You either have it, or you don't. Simple as that.

Müller might be the best example. take away his Football IQ and you get a 2nd division player.

Mediocre at absolutely everything. there are players in the 2nd division who are as fast as him, dribble as good as him
and shoot as good as him, yet they still play in the 2nd division and will never make it to division one.

I wonder why? i mean they could just learn things like Vision (passing), intuition (reading the game), movement (running into channels) and positioning, right? Following your logic, every player in the World could become Worldclass

"fluffy term"

 

[sgjuveboy]

Football IQ is not a "fluffy term" and it's not "meaningless." Because you can't learn it. You either have it, or you don't. Simple as that.

Müller might be the best example. take away his Football IQ and you get a 2nd division player.

Mediocre at absolutely everything. there are players in the 2nd division who are as fast as him, dribble as good as him
and shoot as good as him, yet they still play in the 2nd division and will never make it to division one.

I wonder why? i mean they could just learn things like Vision (passing), intuition (reading the game), movement (running into channels) and positioning, right? Following your logic, every player in the World could become Worldclass

"fluffy term"

When you mention. You either have it, or you don't. It just mean 'talent' isn't it?
Since you are using Muller as example, I would also like to point out Inzaghi. Who is also a player without pace or great technical skills, but for some reason can score goals. So these players are 'gifted' or 'talented', with uncanny ability to deliver despite not possessing any skills. correct.

What about players like Conte, Montero, Chiellini, Kante? They may not possessed the 'talent' that your boy muller has, but still managed to play in big teams.
'football IQ' AKA talent is appreciated but not necessary for a player to play in great teams.

You sound like one of those people with a defeatist loser mindset that thinks talent is the only ingredient for success in life.


"Oh, I may not have the talent, but i'm going to work my ass off and learn as much as possible to grow" - said Mr. Sturaro, while clearing the ball from the goal-line, and owning roma's midfield.

"Oh, I may not have the talent, but i'm going to work my ass off and learn as much as possible to grow" - said Mr. Conte, while captaining Juventus.

"Oh, I may not have the talent, but i'm going to work my ass off and learn as much as possible to grow" - said Mr. Chiellini, while making a tackle for Juventus.

"Oh I don't think I have the talent, so i am going to fail. I will not try or work hard, let me just fail"-said DaiDevil, while doing nothing.

 

[Post Ironic]

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Football IQ is not a "fluffy term" and it's not "meaningless." Because you can't learn it. You either have it, or you don't. Simple as that.

Müller might be the best example. take away his Football IQ and you get a 2nd division player.

Mediocre at absolutely everything. there are players in the 2nd division who are as fast as him, dribble as good as him
and shoot as good as him, yet they still play in the 2nd division and will never make it to division one.

I wonder why? i mean they could just learn things like Vision (passing), intuition (reading the game), movement (running into channels) and positioning, right? Following your logic, every player in the World could become Worldclass

"fluffy term"

Now he's managed to simplify things so that Football IQ and Talent are the same thing.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Now he's managed to simplify things so that Football IQ and Talent are the same thing.

Take Shaqiri for example, clearly talented - but zero Football IQ, and the List of those Players is endless.

What an idiot he is, could be the new Messi but is just too lazy too become more intelligent.