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[SPA] La I beat you 8-0 Liga 2013/2014 (27 Viewers)
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It wasn't the point I was trying to make. Football is all about cycles and occasionally some random team breaks through. When this team gets on top, we'll stay there for a few years, building upon our previous success, while Atleticos and Dortmunds of this world have different set of objectives and thus shouldn't be used as an example.
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Dortmund is pretty much on the same road as we are, no? They're now constantly in the CL, they keep doing well every year. Atletico has won 2 EL recently (you may say it's not a huge thing, but it probably would be in case we win it) and they have a pretty scary team. They are not a one season fluke (Dortmund especially) like Monaco in the past.
It's difficult to keep turning players over and having a really competitive team, this is their main problem, and has been for other clubs like Porto and Benfica. You either need to have big money or be a very big club with some money (like Juve) to prevent players leaving most seasons. Dortmund are trying to build but consistently have to regenerate instead.
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That's true, it's not like I disagree with that. But people also said Dortmund will be shit once Gotze leaves (they are weaker). But they almost eliminated Real who are finalists this season. But yea, they will again lose their best players this summer so I know what you mean.
Even if you ignore the transfer part, people should stop complaining about depth and how tired our players are.
Even if you ignore the transfer part, people should stop complaining about depth and how tired our players are.
But they are not and there is no similarity between these clubs. Dortmund will finish this season empty handed, and Klopp's position will never be questioned. Yes they played CL final last year and I applaud them for that historic achievement, but this year it's been rather obvious difference in the quality compared to their last year's one and few other names will leave the club at the end of season. Instead of strengthening the team they've been losing the best players, Gotze, Lewa... Are you really not seeing the difference between how these clubs are operated?
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I'm not questioning the way they operate, but success and their output, which is there.
When you describe the team you make it sound like we're talking about Partizan or Red Star. It sounds like a weak club mentality. And even if it is, I hope you get to see they are not too far behind us when it comes to success and what we achieve. They are fighting against Bayern who's without a competitions there, like we are in Serie A. In Europe they are doing better than us, obviously.
When you describe the team you make it sound like we're talking about Partizan or Red Star. It sounds like a weak club mentality. And even if it is, I hope you get to see they are not too far behind us when it comes to success and what we achieve. They are fighting against Bayern who's without a competitions there, like we are in Serie A. In Europe they are doing better than us, obviously.
You used Atletico as an example of how despite of low expenditures they've managed to make it to the final, pointing your finger directly at us, but it's their highlight, and most likely it will pass another 30 years before they manage to make it to another one. They are not like Partizan, Red Star, Steaua, Celtic, but between Atletico or Dortmund and Juventus there's insurmountable gap, mostly tradition, finances, and as a result very different view of what is success and failure. They qualified for the CL=success, Juve doesn't win scudetto=failure.
In Europe Juve have been the 2nd most successful club of the 20th century, and that's what I'm trying to say here. One season, or two for that matter is irrelevant for determining the club's general strategy.
In Europe Juve have been the 2nd most successful club of the 20th century, and that's what I'm trying to say here. One season, or two for that matter is irrelevant for determining the club's general strategy.
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They are competing with Real and Barca over there, they end up 3rd, it is success (or was). I highly, highly doubt we'd win the title in Spain. I'm not taking only this year as an example, as they did win EL and kept playing very good for years. They don't sell players quite easily, if you remember how long they managed to keep Aguero despite whole Europe wanting him, then you know what I'm talking about. We're going to lose Pogba sooner.
You keep ignoring their depth (which is poor) and their constant 'success'. Look at them, watch how they play, you can't take fatigue as excuses. This is the new excuse on Juventuz that we kept hearing this year. Nobody is going to say that we did poor, which we did, but they will blame something else. Something else that you won't see anywhere in the other teams.
Of course there's a huge difference between Atletico and Juventus. That was never the point.
You keep ignoring their depth (which is poor) and their constant 'success'. Look at them, watch how they play, you can't take fatigue as excuses. This is the new excuse on Juventuz that we kept hearing this year. Nobody is going to say that we did poor, which we did, but they will blame something else. Something else that you won't see anywhere in the other teams.
Of course there's a huge difference between Atletico and Juventus. That was never the point.
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Exactly. Then he went to Bayern who was just as strong (or much stronger) last season, yet he managed to fuck it up and change them into a disgusting team.
The most overrated coach in the world. The one who wins with the strongest possible team (in the history) and with the best generation of players. But yet he choked this season.
The most overrated coach in the world. The one who wins with the strongest possible team (in the history) and with the best generation of players. But yet he choked this season.
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Yesterday they interviewed Filipe Luis after the match, they asked him what is the secret behind their success, he said directly Simeone. That he takes care of everything, every little detail and he lets the team focus only on the coming match. He said that he takes care of how they sleep in the hotel, their food, etc.
That is because you're underestimating our club greatly. We could cope with them, and it would be a close tie.
In the end they lost their best player and the sum wasn't spectacular. If we sell Pogba it wouldn't be for a less than 70m. That's the difference, we are in position to refuse bids if they are not in accordance with our demands.
Their success is temporary and like Dortmund they most likely won't build upon it. Next year the likes of Valencia might overtake them in Spain.
Would you trade places with Atletico and what is to come for them from now on? Do you believe they'll maintain on this course for the next 5 years, as that is what most great clubs would be able to do.
I'm glad we agree on something.
In the end they lost their best player and the sum wasn't spectacular. If we sell Pogba it wouldn't be for a less than 70m. That's the difference, we are in position to refuse bids if they are not in accordance with our demands.
Their success is temporary and like Dortmund they most likely won't build upon it. Next year the likes of Valencia might overtake them in Spain.
Would you trade places with Atletico and what is to come for them from now on? Do you believe they'll maintain on this course for the next 5 years, as that is what most great clubs would be able to do.
I'm glad we agree on something.
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