[SPA] La I beat you 8-0 League2011/2012 (3 Viewers)

[Fred]

I'll eat my words when he leaves Barcelona and does something impressive with some other club. But that will never happen.

He might not be the best coach out there, I only said he's my favorite one. Sir Alex Ferguson is better probably, but freaking Pep surely isn't.

I still see no decent convincing explanation of the head to head record between the two. Is the difference between the squads so big, that it justifies Mourinho's laughable record against Pep?

 

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[Dostoevsky]

Surprisingly, these players played by far their best football under Pep. All of them, without exception. But i guess that is yet another coincidence that happened to work in Pep's favor.

This is not a Barzagli case. They are in their best age, I have no idea what's so surprising there. It's not like he's pulling the best out them, everyone was aware of their talent and amazing skill, even before they knew how Pep is even a coach.

 

[am0110]

Ronaldo is proven in the Premier League, whilst Messi just sits in his comfort bubble at Barcelona.

and from that bubble he scored 4 against Arsenal in one game, and acored against Man U in two CL final, what a great bubble

 

[Fred]

Still, they don't play together since they were ten years old, unlike most first team players of Barcelona.

Those same players got third place in the Liga right before Pep came, and they were outplayed by United in the semi's and knocked out of the CL. Pep comes in, the players improve, their possession football improves, they start pressuring teams high up the pitch, and they do it better than any other team, Pep brings in a lot of young Barca players and develops them into good squad players, and he wins the CL almost every year and the Liga every year, despite Real spending gazillions and bringing in the "best coach" in the world.

I guess all that is down to Pep being lucky though, even this season, coming back from a 10 point difference against the "best coach" in the world, that is probably down to luck too.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Exactly, people can say he's unproven all they want. He'll just keep winning CL's and outclassing Mourinho whenever the two meet.

You mean while he's still at Barca.

 

[Fred]

This is not a Barzagli case. They are in their best age, I have no idea what's so surprising there. It's not like he's pulling the best out them, everyone was aware of their talent and amazing skill, even before they knew how Pep is even a coach.

Yet all 3 of them, peaked at one time, and only when Pep came. I don't believe in such coincidences, i'm sorry.

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You mean while he's still at Barca.

That doesn't make a difference. Has Lippi ever proven himself in a club other than Juventus? Does that mean he isn't a legend and a world class coach?

 

[Nicholas]

He won with Italy in the World Cup.

 

[Fred]

ya read that post again.

oh and its almost like Pep was the one that won the WC with Spain in 2010 anyway

 

[Fake Melo]

Pep is just 41 years old ffs.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Yet all 3 of them, peaked at one time, and only when Pep came. I don't believe in such coincidences, i'm sorry.

They were all great before he even came there, I have no idea why do you even mention that. It's not like they were rubbish.

That doesn't make a difference. Has Lippi ever proven himself in a club other than Juventus? Does that mean he isn't a legend and a world class coach?

Funny thing you say club now, last time you were proven wrong when you didn't say it.

But no he's not even that great now, I would not sign him as a coach, no. I didn't want him at Juve before Conte arrived.

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ya read that post again.

oh and its almost like Pep was the one that won the WC with Spain in 2010 anyway

It only proves that I'm right.

It has nothing to do with their coach at all. It's maybe just 10%, they play the same football without his guidance.

 

[Fred]

Last time? Please go and check what i wrote in the post you were referring to and look at the context, i made the point at that time as well that i was talking about club football, but like now, people tried to tip toe around that.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Post has been edited above. ^

 

[Osman]

He blows just like Rijkaard, and he will prove that when he leaves Barcelona.

I would question your understanding of football alot if you cant understand or see the clear cut difference of impact Pep has had on Barca and Rijkaard did.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I would question your understanding of football alot if you cant understand or see the clear cut difference of impact Pep has had on Barca and Rijkaard did.

I'm only exaggerating to prove my point. Rijkaard was crap but yet majority wanted him here.

Pep is way better, but also way worse than Mourinho. His true colors will be seen when he takes the charge of some other club. Giving him so much credit at this point is just laughable.

 

[Osman]

How is he way worse then Mourinho?


It said a bit about Rijkaard that while he was coaching them several of the changes/improvements made to the team initially was credited to his assistant coach Ten Cate. Pep has had the privelige to coach amazing bunch of players, but HE has made and improved them alot, to deny that is silly. If you want to question him on something its his stubbornness and man management, or player management, with how he has treated certain players (Yaya, Eto'o etc).

 

[Dostoevsky]

How is he way worse then Mourinho?

1) He didn't win Champions League and league with Porto.
2) He didn't win Champions League and league with Chelsea.
3) He didn't win Champions League with Inter, Coppa and league with Inter.

He won CL, league and Coppa with Barca, with the same players who won WC 2010 without his guidance, using basically the same style and everything. Did Pep improve certain players? Maybe, but at this point of argument it doesn't even matter.

 

[Fake Melo]

I often hear that Conte is a great manager, but how can one credit Conte, yet discredit Pep? The latter has won so much, while Conte hasn't won anything yet.

 

[Trequartista]

Dusan, Mourinho didn't win the CL with Chelsea.

 

[Martin]

I often hear that Conte is a great manager, but how can one credit Conte, yet discredit Pep? The latter has won so much, while Conte hasn't won anything yet.

Elementary. Conte is great because he's improving the team and the team needs a lot of improvement. Pep is not because the team doesn't need any improvement ergo he hasn't done anything.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I often hear that Conte is a great manager, but how can one credit Conte, yet discredit Pep? The latter has won so much, while Conte hasn't won anything yet.

He is great, but he didn't win anything yet. What does that have to do with anything? It's his first season with a big club and he's showing potential to be a WC coach.

Would Pep win Serie A with Siena? No, he wouldn't.

I don't even see your point.