Sosa(not anymore) And Huntelaar Followed By Juventus (7 Viewers)

[Jun-hide]

You do realise of course that Van der Vaart is injured most of the time? The past year he has even managed to statistically be injured for over 50% of all matches.

WOW - obviously odd game or two I see him play cant tell that statistic.

However, he is a player of real class IMO. Most importantly, he fits into our needs perfectly.

BTW, is the injury re-currence of past problems or a combination of freak instances? If it is the former, I am will probably loose a lot of my appetite for VDV.

 

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[curi83]

I think that now its the right time to sell trez but only if we can go for a sub now in Serie B. And then probably we should go for a important replacement when we go in Serie A. Not Huntelaar or even Klose can give us the insurance that we need. If we need a 100% insurance that we get a Forward that makes the goals of Trez then we have to go for Toni. But Toni is not that Forward that fit in our System. If we have to choosebetween Huntelaar and Klose we should go for Huntelaar because of his age. Huntelaar has proven not only in the Dutch League but also in the u21 tournament and in the Dutch Senior NT what he can do international. Never heard of this Sosa guy but i think that we can give also away Zalayeta and if Sosa is cheap go for him.

 

[Orgut]

I think that now its the right time to sell trez but only if we can go for a sub now in Serie B. And then probably we should go for a important replacement when we go in Serie A. Not Huntelaar or even Klose can give us the insurance that we need. If we need a 100% insurance that we get a Forward that makes the goals of Trez then we have to go for Toni. But Toni is not that Forward that fit in our System. If we have to choosebetween Huntelaar and Klose we should go for Huntelaar because of his age. Huntelaar has proven not only in the Dutch League but also in the u21 tournament and in the Dutch Senior NT what he can do international. Never heard of this Sosa guy but i think that we can give also away Zalayeta and if Sosa is cheap go for him.

Klose is a lot better than Toni and a bigger scorer than him

 

[curi83]

But nobody can say if Klose will have the same success that Toni has now in SERIE A

 

[V]

imo toni would choke in a big serie a club.

 

[Max]

And Fiorentina is a small club with a big club's payroll?

 

[V]

well looking at their attendances, ambitions and finance they are not a small club in the true sense of the word, but still they far from being milan or juventus where the pressure to win is much, much greater and the 3 can't be compaired in any way..

 

[Max]

I'm not so sure about Luca Toni being a failure though. You saw all the hype around him at the World Cup, and he managed to fair quite well. That's a pretty high-pressure situation, in my own opinion. However, you are somewhat correct to say that he may not perform well in a squad like Juventus or Milan, where if you are out of form for a month, you get hounded on constantly by the BIG papers like La Gazetta or Tuttosport and the BIG national TV networks like Sky and RAI. That'll hit you more than the local Tuscan papers, and that small bout of bad performances will surely soon take its toll on the player.

 

[curi83]

About Toni: He will expire his contract with Fiorentina until 2011. My point was that only a forward that now is in italy and has proven his goal-instinct can give us some insurance fot the replacement of Trez. All the Foreign Forwards not important which one cant give us a 100% insurance that he can replace Trez well. But in my opinion Huntelaar isnt really far away from Klose now and probably Huntelaar will fit more in the System of Juve. He is a good header but whats really important: He is way better with his feets than Klose. And he has proven in different competitions that he is a goalscoring machine.

 

[Slagathor]

WOW - obviously odd game or two I see him play cant tell that statistic.

However, he is a player of real class IMO. Most importantly, he fits into our needs perfectly.

BTW, is the injury re-currence of past problems or a combination of freak instances? If it is the former, I am will probably loose a lot of my appetite for VDV.

First of all: yes he is a player of class. No argument there.

As for his injuries, I see why you haven't caught on to that trend if you don't watch HSV very often. I wouldn't've either but I'm a sucker for statistics to the point where I cling on to meaningless numbers. Anywho:

He was fit most of the time during his time at Ajax barring the last season which was a combination of freak instances. There is of course a line and if you cross it, it stops becoming a series of freak instances and turns into consistent injury. It's difficult to judge that at the time (for me), but I will say this:
1. When Ajax was playing well and he was very fit (seems to have gained some weight now) he was rarely injured. But with Sneyder also present, he was also rested relatively frequently.
2. When Ajax were struggling and he was struggling with injury, he seemed to pick up new injuries more easily although they usually weren't of the same nature. First the knee, then the hamstring, etc.
3. During his final months at Ajax and his first at HSV, he kept struggling with one knee in particular. It later turned out a doctor had left some obsolete 'loose' bone in there (during surgery) by accident which of course started to cause trouble. It was mostly unfortunate rather than a physical weakness. Anyone's knee would break down over that treatment (multiple surgeries to restore the faults of a previous surgery combined with heavy training because his teams were struggling and they needed him).

Give it one more season but I'm starting to suspect Van der Vaart's body will only allow him to play, say, 75% of all matches every season. He seems to need a proper amount of rest.

 

[illusiondreamer]

first of all u can't compare klose to huntelaar.
the only advantage that huntelaar got is his age.
klose was the best scorer of the world cup, and the bundsligue...
he's faster , his heading skills are one of the best, he can pass way better...
plus, he's used to play in a team that attacks most of the time with counter attacks..
as concernin huntelaar...ye he's a talent but in ajax he sux right now...
that's quite scary to buy a player when u see how he plays now.
and dutch league is a league that klose would score 4 goals each game..

 

[Slagathor]

as concernin huntelaar...ye he's a talent but in ajax he sux right now...
that's quite scary to buy a player when u see how he plays now.

Wrong-o. He had a dry spell in November when the whole of Ajax stank and Huntelaar received very few passes to work with. Now he's back to scoring and playing well. You can't expect him to carry a whole team at his age so it's only logical he didn't score when the whole team played bad in November.

and dutch league is a league that klose would score 4 goals each game..

My ass he would. Let's not get carried away now. It's not a great league but it's not that bad either.

Besides, Klose is basically Inzaghi+the ability to head. Hardly very breathtaking.

 

[Jun-hide]

First of all: yes he is a player of class. No argument there.

As for his injuries, I see why you haven't caught on to that trend if you don't watch HSV very often. I wouldn't've either but I'm a sucker for statistics to the point where I cling on to meaningless numbers. Anywho:

He was fit most of the time during his time at Ajax barring the last season which was a combination of freak instances. There is of course a line and if you cross it, it stops becoming a series of freak instances and turns into consistent injury. It's difficult to judge that at the time (for me), but I will say this:
1. When Ajax was playing well and he was very fit (seems to have gained some weight now) he was rarely injured. But with Sneyder also present, he was also rested relatively frequently.
2. When Ajax were struggling and he was struggling with injury, he seemed to pick up new injuries more easily although they usually weren't of the same nature. First the knee, then the hamstring, etc.
3. During his final months at Ajax and his first at HSV, he kept struggling with one knee in particular. It later turned out a doctor had left some obsolete 'loose' bone in there (during surgery) by accident which of course started to cause trouble. It was mostly unfortunate rather than a physical weakness. Anyone's knee would break down over that treatment (multiple surgeries to restore the faults of a previous surgery combined with heavy training because his teams were struggling and they needed him).

Give it one more season but I'm starting to suspect Van der Vaart's body will only allow him to play, say, 75% of all matches every season. He seems to need a proper amount of rest.

That is a quality post, thanks for the info.

After reading your info, I kind of lost appetite for VDV There have been occurences in the past whereby players dramatically lost a lot of edge in their performances with weight gained after a long layoff - and as much as I like VDV, he probably isnt on the same level as young Ronaldo and Del Piero. We all know how each players career nose-dived with weight.

But it does seem like his injury is structural problem with a bone, i.e. disc, so I don't think it is too much of risk in itself. Obviously, it is infinetely difficult to keep in shape when you freakly break down and cant do much else but eat. Nevertheless, given the squad rotation in a modern game, 75% isnt too bad contribution, especially if you can have able back in your squad. And right now, I cant imagine a player who could possibly come as cheap as VDV, especially if Hamburg get relegated. I mean we could possibly talking about bargain fire sale with couple of millions. That is quality investment IMO.

 

[Slagathor]

If you put it that way, he could definitely be an addition, yes.

And his weight appears to be more a consequence of, rather than a cause for, his injuries. Not the primary concern I would say.

 

[Bjerknes]

Besides, Klose is basically Inzaghi+the ability to head. Hardly very breathtaking.

Yeah, I don't understand why everybody is fondling themselves over Miroslav Klose. The Bundesliga is generally a high-scoring league and Bremen is a quite a high-scoring team; place him in Serie A and Juventus and you could see him become a flop. Seriously this guy has to be one of the most overrated players to ever win the Golden Boot.

 

[Jem83]

Yeah, I don't understand why everybody is fondling themselves over Miroslav Klose. The Bundesliga is generally a high-scoring league and Bremen is a quite a high-scoring team; place him in Serie A and Juventus and you could see him become a flop. Seriously this guy has to be one of the most overrated players to ever win the Golden Boot.

Like I said in another thread, I watched a World Cup 2006 special the other day, and seriously, this guy kicked ass for Germany. Not only did he score 5 or 6 goals, but he assisted most of Germany's other goals. Great player. Of all the players we've been linked with this is the one I hope we'll get.

 

[Mark]

I'd get him and keep Trez but I don't think Secco wants that.
Huntelaar will probably go to ManU. He said he'd prefer moving to England and play with them if he leaves Ajax.

 

[Bjerknes]

Like I said in another thread, I watched a World Cup 2006 special the other day, and seriously, this guy kicked ass for Germany. Not only did he score 5 or 6 goals, but he assisted most of Germany's other goals. Great player. Of all the players we've been linked with this is the one I hope we'll get.

Again, this is for Germany... not club football. Sometimes a player can be strong for one side, but garbage for another. I have seen both sides of Klose and to me he seems like that sort of player.

 

[Jem83]

Again, this is for Germany... not club football. Sometimes a player can be strong for one side, but garbage for another. I have seen both sides of Klose and to me he seems like that sort of player.

I watch Eurogoals all the time and he's doing great at Werder. In their latest 2-1 win he assisted both goals.

 

[JCK]

Like I said in another thread, I watched a World Cup 2006 special the other day, and seriously, this guy kicked ass for Germany. Not only did he score 5 or 6 goals, but he assisted most of Germany's other goals. Great player. Of all the players we've been linked with this is the one I hope we'll get.

We've all seen what Al Hadji Diouf and his gang did in the World Cup and we've all what they did with the clubs they went to afterwards. Definitely not a criteria.