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Why are Dutch children so happy?
By Kathryn Westcott
BBC News website


Dutch children have been rated the most fortunate children in Europe. Their parents go out of their way to please them, and teachers expect less of them than some of their European counterparts.

The Netherlands has come top of a league table for child well-being across 21 industrialised countries.

The study by the UN children's organisation, Unicef, looked at relative poverty, educational and health standards, sexual behaviour and the children's relationship with friends and parents.

"The Netherlands has always been a very child-centred society," says Paul Vangeert, professor of developmental psychology at the University of Groningen. "In particular, there is a lot of focus on young children."

He says he is not surprised by the report. "On the one hand you have objective indicators in the report like health, income and education. The Netherlands is a very rich country. On the other hand, and perhaps more importantly, are the subjective indicators, young people's own subjective sense of well-being."


CHILD WELL-BEING TABLE
1. Netherlands
2. Sweden

3. Denmark
4. Finland
5. Spain
6. Switzerland
7. Norway
8. Italy
9. Republic of Ireland
10. Belgium
11. Germany
12. Canada
13. Greece
14. Poland
15. Czech Republic
16. France
17. Portugal
18. Austria
19. Hungary
20. United States
21. United Kingdom
Source: Unicef

Much of this, he says, comes from the relationship that Dutch parents have with their children. And, from the fact that less pressure is put on them at school.

"If you take the percentage of young mothers in the labour force, it's not very high in comparison to comparable countries," Mr Vangeert told the BBC News Website. "There is a strong tendency for mothers to raise children or take a long time off work after children are born."

He says children are used to a "highly protective, highly positive caring environment."

Children rule

One of the strong points of the Dutch family, he says, is that it is very open and communicative. Relations are generally good between parents and children and they can talk about almost anything.

But, he says, the downside is that children almost rule the family.

"It's almost a caricature that children are the ones that decide what happens within the family," says Mr Vangeert. "Their wishes become so strong that parents have to work very hard to give them what they want. Sometimes, there can be a lack of balance between the happiness of the child and that of the parent."

18-year-old Ysbrand, a student in Helmond near Eindhoven, says this picture matched his childhood. He says that his parents spent a lot of time with him when he was younger. His mother stayed at home while his father worked.

But, he said the contrast when you get to 18 can be something of a shock.

"Now I'm left to look after myself," he told the BBC News website. "My parents say that I need to care for myself and to be independent. It's hard. I don't have much money as a student and to go out is expensive. Beer, for example, is very expensive in the Netherlands."

He says that while he has been drinking and smoking for some time, his parents have never really seen it as a big issue.

"They've never liked it," he says. "But they realise that they were young once. They are just waiting for me to give it up in my own time."


The Dutch are famous for their liberal attitudes towards drinks, drugs and sex.

"Because parents are more relaxed, the dynamics of the problems are less severe than in countries where they are seen as more of a serious issue," says Mr Vangeert.

Laura Vos, a 16-year-old schoolgirl from Amsterdam agrees.

"In this country, it's very free, you can do anything you want," she told the BBC's Newsnight programme. "You can smoke at 16, you can buy pot in the store next to the school. You can do what you like and because it's not illegal, it's not that interesting for us to provoke our parents with it."


REPORT CATEGORIES

  1. Material well-being
  2. Family and peer relationships
  3. Health and safety
  4. Behaviour and risks
  5. Own sense of well-being [educational]
  6. Own sense of well-being [subjective]

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Schoolfriend Michell Klimt told the BBC that she thought that teenagers in other countries had to deal with the type of peer pressure that her friends did not have to even consider.

"I think in England, for example, there is a lot of pressure on teenagers. There is something on MTV called Virgin Diaries. Girls of 16 and 17 worry because they are still virgins. It's like they have to have sex to be cool," she says.

"In Holland, it isn't that important - it doesn't matter to anyone."

Rutt Veenhoven, professor of social conditions for human happiness at Erasmus University in Rotterdam, says he was unsurprised by the report's findings.

"Small affluent countries such as the Netherlands and Denmark are very democratic and very free. There is also a very good education system. People can use that freedom and education to make the right choices," he says.

Selma el Maknouzi, a 16-year-old student from The Hague says young people in the Netherlands have a lot to look forward to.

"I'm very happy with the education here because it's at a very high level," she told the BBC News website. "Everybody has the chance and the opportunity to do whatever he or she wants to do. There are many jobs - everyone can work and there are opportunities to build a good career in later life."

Mr Veenhoven says that the general picture is pretty much in keeping with what he has seen in samples of the adult population. He says that typically in Western Europe countries like the Netherlands and Denmark score particularly well.

"And we know that happy adults raise happy children," he says.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/6360517.stm

Published: 2007/02/14 18:26:15 GMT


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mikhail

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Dutch children have been rated the most fortunate children in Europe. Their parents go out of their way to please them, and teachers expect less of them than some of their European counterparts.
Dutch children are spoilt brats and the education system has low standards? Good times.
 

JCK

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Amazing that we always see the same countries topping these kinds of things, human rights, children's happiness, democracy, etc.
 
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    Dutch children are spoilt brats and the education system has low standards? Good times.
    I think what this person says sums it all up.

    The UK and the USA are too commercial and market driven. Parents are working weekends to provide for their children, pay for the expensive car and the mortgage. When visiting the UK I see the supermarkets chocked full with people on a Sunday? Whatever happened to free time, recreation having fun? In the Netherlands only the tourist shops are open on Sundays and one Sunday a month in the major cities. Weekends start on a Friday at midday and ends at Monday midday for many. People here enjoy their weekends with the family. This report should not be taken lightly, it's time for action. Time to focus on what is important in your life.


    Kenneth Whyte, Oegstgeest, Netherlands
    Now if you prefer the latter lifestyle then by all means continue to call these people names.

    edit: Oooh, I like this one too.
    This report isn't a surprise and the answer is obvious. Sadly too many people can't see it, in fact what they see as the solutions are actually making things worse. UK and USA are at the bottom because we are the most rampantly capitalist, materialist money chasing countries on the planet. The Scandanavian countries are top because they are more socially conscious, more liberal minded and care about other human beings rather than seeing each other as something to exploit and make money from.

    They lock up less of their people, including their children, they help the less well off etc. UK and USA see weakness as something to exploit not help. We are sick societies but think we are right.

    John Bennett, Lincoln, United Kingdom
     

    Dominic

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    Supermarkets are open on sunday at my place though. People also work fulldays on both monday and friday. Having said that, some stores
    (clothes etc) ARE closed monday mornings.
     

    mikhail

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    Now if you prefer the latter lifestyle then by all means continue to call these people names.
    Congratulations, you can copy and paste gross generalisations from random punters commenting on the article.

    Now, read what I commented on. My points stand until you actually meet them with something resembling an argument. Unless, perhaps, you learned to debate in a Dutch school.
     

    Slagathor

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    Awful. You're living proof that it's all worthless. The should just let the little beasts roam free, earn their living by stealing and begging. :tongue:
    I see what you mean: it's an eternal system. Once you destroy one generation, they are bound to squeeze out a couple of babies at age 14 who'll inevitably follow in their footsteps. Clever.

    And the masterplan is already destroying the UK too. I underestimate you :p
     
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    Congratulations, you can copy and paste gross generalisations from random punters commenting on the article.

    Now, read what I commented on. My points stand until you actually meet them with something resembling an argument. Unless, perhaps, you learned to debate in a Dutch school.
    No, I learned it in an American school :D


    I don't need to argue anything with you on this. We have living proof of several dutch posters in here and I myself, who grew up in Sweden. I have tons of cousins who've grown up in the UK, Canada, United States...and I know how they are. I can honestly say that my brother and I, and my cousins in Norway are the most balanced children in my family. That is mainly due to our upbringing in Scandinavia.
     

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