something bothering about the legal system (1 Viewer)

[Lilianna]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++
This is what bother me

what azzurri?

 

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[JCK]

the legal system by itself is something to get bothered about

 

[Lilianna]

indeed.

 

[flieeeekke]

bollocks

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++


No, I think it's an indication of the level of social acceptance this behavior has in our region. I think it says something about the values that persist here and if people were outraged by it, it would be punished like any other crime. But as long as "we" don't feel it's a crime, there's no point in forcing that law upon us because we don't believe in it.

In other words, adultery isn't considered much of a problem.



Fair enough, Gandalf's formulation wasn't bad.



I said:

which put into other words means that I take no stand on whether it can be justified or not. I leave that open.

Ok, clear enough now.


Majed, am I invisible for you?

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++


Well I'm not one to encourage promiscuity at all, but I don't consider it a crime no. And I think that domain should be governed by the norms of society rather than law, I don't support an institutionalization of the population's sex life.

When it comes to the moral judgement, I think it's simple enough as long as everyone believes it will never happen to them but if you do find yourself in that situation, would you judge yourself as harshly? Besides, I think defining adultery as a crime is a lot more problematic than say murder, because the lines are blurred. For people who have affairs, it's not an instantaneous thing, there is a certain buildup there so at what point would you consider it a crime? I mean say that you're good friends with a woman who happens to marry your best friend, blah blah and it happens. At what point is it a crime? Is it a crime only when it's physical or is it already criminal before that? See my point?

That's exactly what we do (or at least those of us, who thinks that adultery is wrong): we keep thinking that we would never do that, but you never know, what will happen. You can judge yourself harshly about that, or you can not jugde yourself at all: depends on, whether you regret that or not and depends on your reasons.


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Adultery is not a crime (when we talkin terms of law) for me: it's the thing between two people only: husband and wife, law and punishment have nothing to do with that. But in terms of morality and loyalty: I can consider it as crime.

Besides... everyone thinks so much about phisical aspect of adultery, but there are so many shadows of it. When you think about adultery: does it contain all those shadows, or is it just sex with someone else, when you're married?

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by vitoria_Ally ] ++

Majed, am I invisible for you?

considering I've never seen you before, I guess you could say so..

baah.. nevermind that geeky attempt. I'm studying computational logic at the moment.

Anyhow, no. You're views are closer to mine on the main issue of capital punishment I think) which makes it not fun to discuss/arue directly with you.

I don't think nodding with agreement is as stimulating as talking about an oppsing view.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++


considering I've never seen you before, I guess you could say so..

baah.. nevermind that geeky attempt. I'm studying computational logic at the moment.

Anyhow, no. You're views are closer to mine on the main issue of capital punishment I think) which makes it not fun to discuss/arue directly with you.

I don't think nodding with agreement is as stimulating as talking about an oppsing view.

Ahh, you didnt notice my question then, cause you missed my point

Come on, I wouldnt nag you now to make you nodding with me

I'm trying to find out more about your legal system, asking you questions.
I'm interested in it, since I like to see, how people stated other legal systems and how it looks like in reality

Here is my previous post, with question:

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
While most westerners think of Mideastern punishment as barbaric (they also dramatize it in movie so that any small offense deserves the death penalty , I think it solves a lot of problems.

Criminals know in advance their punishment.
You steel more than a specified about, you lose your right hand.
You steel less than that amount, you do some times and get lashed a few times.
You rape, you die.
you murder, you die.
you commit adultry, you die.

Of course this only happens when it's 100% proven by a confession, and a specified number of witnesses in each case. Also, the vicitim/victim's family has the right to forgive the offender so that he/she won't be punished.

I forgot to ask, but I'm curious about that... do you know, how often the victim/victims' family forgive the offender?
That's the theory, that they can forgive him... but how the reality of that looks like?

And one more thingL you said: prison, when they forgive the offender... for how long do they go to prison?

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by vitoria_Ally ] ++



Ahh, you didnt notice my question then, cause you missed my point

Come on, I wouldnt nag you now to make you nodding with me

I'm trying to find out more about your legal system, asking you questions.
I'm interested in it, since I like to see, how people stated other legal systems and how it looks like in reality

Sorry, must have missed it!

Here is my previous post, with question:

I forgot to ask, but I'm curious about that... do you know, how often the victim/victims' family forgive the offender?
That's the theory, that they can forgive him... but how the reality of that looks like?

It happens frequently.
Personal Example, My dad's friend's kid got run over by a young guy who was speeding in the neighborhood street. The kid was just out retreiving a football. The young guy was devistated. According to the law, the guy is responsible because he was speeding and didn't even have his headlights on. The punishment isn't the death penalty since it was accidental, but the offender, under law, has to serve time, and pay "blood-money" to the family.
The father dropped all charges and didn't pick up a dime (He wasn't really wealthy either).

Mostly happens in accidental cases, but rareley in cold blooded intentional murder. (Not that ther are many murders there in SA anyways).

And one more thingL you said: prison, when they forgive the offender... for how long do they go to prison?

If an accident, not long at all. usually till all the court stuff is cleared out. Maybe I should have said confinment instead of "prison."

Families usually only forgive when they honestly feel that that person is no threat to society.

Appon thinking about this, I realize that the rules are much more complex. Now I need to read up on what's in Islamic law, and what variation/interpretations are practiced in many differnet countries. :stress:

I hope that simplistic explanation helped though.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

Yes, it's always interesting to see, how different kind of law people have in their countires, thanks!