So Who Should Play for the Azzurri? (14 Viewers)

[C4ISR]

But these values of the Italian people turn into blatant superiority arguments and eventual racism. What if Amauri actually does "feel" Italian, speaks the language fluently, loves the culture, pays his taxes and his dues to Italian society, and wants to repay Italy in some fashion for what they've given him? What, he can't play for Italy because he doesn't have any heritage there?

Talk about closed-minded and arrogant...

I agree that some display blanket racism, but for some ppl (like me), I only share this strong nationalism for the NT. Football is 1 of Italy's greatest exports, and seeing the azzurri being representated by a bunch of foreigners doesn't fill me with as much pride.

I wouldn't want Amauri playing for Italy. Yes to Balotelli because he was born and raised in Italy (but he is just as Ghanaian as he is Italian).

 

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[Bjerknes]

I agree that some display blanket racism, but for some ppl (like me), I only share this strong nationalism for the NT. Football is 1 of Italy's greatest exports, and seeing the azzurri being representated by a bunch of foreigners doesn't fill me with as much pride.

I wouldn't want Amauri playing for Italy. Yes to Balotelli because he was born and raised in Italy (but he is just as Ghanaian as he is Italian).

Well, then if so, please denounce the fact that Camoranesi, Dellafiore, and Osvaldo can play for Italy because they're first and foremost Argentinian, not Italian.

Like I asked before, how far along the family tree can we go in selecting who plays for whom?

 

[C4ISR]

Well, then if so, please denounce the fact that Camoranesi, Dellafiore, and Osvaldo can play for Italy because they're first and foremost Argentinian, not Italian.

Like I asked before, how far along the family tree can we go in selecting who plays for whom?

Grandparents or great grandparents is probably a fair number. Camo's grandparents are Italian, which means 1 of his parents was. He was obviously exposed to alot of Italian customs growing up.

As I said, I dont believe in the bloodline argument in its purest form (like blue blood monarch's or politicians from the old rich.) You should have an ancestry (which does include genealogy) that dates back farther than the 5+/- yrs it takes to get citizenship, otherwise international football loses its edge.

 

[Bjerknes]

Grandparents or great grandparents is probably a fair number. Camo's grandparents are Italian, which means 1 of his parents was. He was obviously exposed to alot of Italian customs growing up.

As I said, I dont believe in the bloodline argument in its purest form (like blue blood monarch's or politicians from the old rich.) You should have an ancestry (which does include genealogy) that dates back farther than the 5+/- yrs it takes to get citizenship, otherwise international football loses its edge since every1 can play with any1just as long as they have lived their long enough.

But what about great great grandparents? How do you know the tradition has been lost/upheld throughout the years? How about six generations down the road?

You just never know, and your reasoning in my view is completely subjective because you can't just stop the lineage in its tracks. It defeats the whole purpose of the family tree. Personally, I think it's terrible how you can rule out some people like that.

 

[swag]

Yes we are 1 species, hence your DNA arguement. However, I was speaking about ancestry which does have genetic variation, hence y people some burn in the sun, have thin fair, different physiques/physical features, etc. And no that doesn't mean we should start selecting ppl based on their tolerance for sun or facial musculature, but that race does exist, and that for player selections, ancestry should play a part.

Oh, great. Let's just have the All Racism Games. Everybody qualifies for their squad based on race. That will do wonders for the "Say No To Racism" campaign that FIFA and UEFA keep harping on. If you thought you had monkey grunts at games now, just you wait...

I agree that some display blanket racism, but for some ppl (like me), I only share this strong nationalism for the NT. Football is 1 of Italy's greatest exports, and seeing the azzurri being representated by a bunch of foreigners doesn't fill me with as much pride.

I think therein you found the root of the problem. The problem isn't that people of different races and ethnic backgrounds are playing in solidarity for Italy. The problem is that you can only feel pride in a national Italian team when it represents exclusionary divisions along "racist" lines.

You're essentially implying that Italy as a country is worthless and exists only in value as a collection of people who go back a few generations in the same arbitrary political geographic boundaries of their time.

 

[cunninlynguists]

I bet that Ranieri would be a much better coach for Italy than Donadoni. He's such a joke...

 

[IL Pinturrichio]

After the defeat I somehow missed Molinaro

 

[Bianconeri1988]

After watching this match yesterday I am so happy that Zambrotta isn't a juve player anymore. He was the worst player on the pitch yesterday. Only Materazzi was nearly as bad as him. I hope chiellini is playing against rumania. He's mutch better than Materezzi.
Del Piero was the best

 

[Juventino★★★]

donadoni had very bad selection spacially playing panucci who only played one friendly match and ambrosini who never become first team player.
and playing di natali instead of del piero is another bad choice because del piero had many big games before and hes on the form of his life and the top scorer of serie a.
in details...
donadoni played with 3 center midfielders 2 of them is too defensive and not creative so in the way of his selction look like he wanted to push the fullbacks up with left and right midfielders... so lets talk about the right side, how can panucci get forward or even hold the ball to help his team mates get forward when hes 34 and cant even hold the ball for 3 seconds?
for the left side, how can zambrotta confortably go forward when di natali too attacking and never help the midfield when creating attack? so he is there just to run for long balls from counter attacks?
and choices of the center midfielders was really stupid selections did anyone notice that camoranesi was doing gattuso and ambrosini job when he was holding the ball and passing and creating spaces for his team in the center of the field?
with de rossi and pirlo italy can easily take the control on the midfield
i honestly dont know what donadoni was thinking when he put del piero, grosso and cassano out and i hope he change his mind the next match and play them because without them italy cant win spcially when playing ambrosini, gattuso and panucci even thought gattuso can perform much better when the team is balanced on the midfield.

 

[Ghost]

donadoni had very bad selection spacially playing panucci who only played one friendly match and ambrosini who never become first team player.
and playing di natali instead of del piero is another bad choice because del piero had many big games before and hes on the form of his life and the top scorer of serie a.
in details...
donadoni played with 3 center midfielders 2 of them is too defensive and not creative so in the way of his selction look like he wanted to push the fullbacks up with left and right midfielders... so lets talk about the right side, how can panucci get forward or even hold the ball to help his team mates get forward when hes 34 and cant even hold the ball for 3 seconds?
for the left side, how can zambrotta confortably go forward when di natali too attacking and never help the midfield when creating attack? so he is there just to run for long balls from counter attacks?
and choices of the center midfielders was really stupid selections did anyone notice that camoranesi was doing gattuso and ambrosini job when he was holding the ball and passing and creating spaces for his team in the center of the field?
with de rossi and pirlo italy can easily take the control on the midfield
i honestly dont know what donadoni was thinking when he put del piero, grosso and cassano out and i hope he change his mind the next match and play them because without them italy cant win spcially when playing ambrosini, gattuso and panucci even thought gattuso can perform much better when the team is balanced on the midfield.

That was disgusting to read. Paragraphs work wonders bro.

 

[Marceℓℓo]

Amauri ha gia deciso:"Dopo la Juve l'azzurro"

He shut the door to the Brazilian NT and wants to play for the Azzurri when he gets his passport.

source: Tuttosport

 

[Bjerknes]

Amauri ha gia deciso:"Dopo la Juve l'azzurro"

He shut the door to the Brazilian NT and wants to play for the Azzurri when he gets his passport.

source: Tuttosport

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

 

[Bjerknes]

I can't wait until Amauri scores for the Azzurri!

FORZA ITALIENS!

 

[Vinman]

taking a look at many of the teams in this Euro tournament, I am finding that there are many players playing for countries that they werent born in, and are not that particular nationality

 

[swag]

I can't wait until Amauri scores for the Azzurri!

FORZA ITALIENS!

I can't wait for his pizza-sauce-guzzling goal celebrations either.

 

[Alen]

taking a look at many of the teams in this Euro tournament, I am finding that there are many players playing for countries that they werent born in, and are not that particular nationality

I had the list of all these players.
Give me some time to find it. You'll be shocked when you'll see how many such players almost every team has.

 

[Bjerknes]

I can't wait for his pizza-sauce-guzzling goal celebrations either.

He better guzzle it down, or else he's still unacceptable.

I had the list of all these players.
Give me some time to find it. You'll be shocked when you'll see how many such players almost every team has.

Word up, Alen. That should be pretty nice to see.

I wonder why it's only the Italiens who speak out against these players...

 

[Ghost]

He better guzzle it down, or else he's still unacceptable.



Word up, Alen. That should be pretty nice to see.

I wonder why it's only the Italiens who speak out against these players...

Because we are a REAL football country. We are champions. You don't see Brazil filled with Foreigners.

Isn't it funny, how the worlds 2 best footballing nations respect home grown players. Our standards are higher than everyone else's.

 

[Bjerknes]

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Because we are a REAL football country. We are champions. You don't see Brazil filled with Foreigners.

Isn't it funny, how the worlds 2 best footballing nations respect home grown players. Our standards are higher than everyone else's.

Last time I checked, Canada wasn't a very good footballing nation.

 

[Alen]

Here is the list Vinman

Switzerland :
1. Eldin Jakupovic (born in Bosnia to Bosnian parents. Moved to Switzerland during the war in Yugoslavia)
2. Johan Djourou (born in Ivory Coast to Ivorian parents. His father's first wife was Swiss and she adopted him )
3. Valon Behrami (born in Kosovo to Albanian parents)
4. Gelson Fernandes (born in Africa, african parents)
5. Johan Vonlanthen (born in Colombia to Colombian parents. His stepfather was Swiss and that's how he got the passport)
6. Hakan Yakin, Gokhan Inler and Eren Derdiyok have Turkish parents but they're born in Switzerland, so they're ok

Portugal :
1. Deco (Brasilian with Portuguese passport)
2. Pepe (Brasilian with Portuguese passport)
3. Jose Bosingwa (Born in Congo. Portuguese father, Congolese mother)
4. Nani (born in Cape Verde to African parents who later emigrated to Portugal)

Czech Republic
- all of them born in the Czech Republic to Czech parents. Only Jankulovski has Macedonian parents but he's also born in Czech Rep.

Turkey
1. Kazim Richards (born and raised in England. Antiguan father, Turkish mother)
2. Hakan Balta (born and raised in Germany. Turkish parents)
3. Hamit Altintop (born and raised in Germany. He never lived or played football in Turkey. Turkish parents)
4. Mehmet Aurelio (Brasilian with Turkish passport)
5. Mevlüt Erdinç (born in France and lived all his life there. Turkish parents)

Germany:
1. Lucas Podolski (born in Poland to Polish parents)
2. Miroslav Klose (born in Poland to Polish parents)
3. Piotr Trochowski (born in Poland to Polish parents)
4. Kevin Kuranyi (born in Brasil, Panamian mother, his father is half Hungarian half German)
5. Oliver Neuville (born in Switzerland to German father and Italian mother)
6. Odonkor and Gomez are born in Germany in mixed families (Odonkor's father was Ghanian while Gomez has a Spanish father)

Croatia :
1. Josip Simunic (born and raised in Australia to Croatian parents)
2. Niko Kovac (born and raised in Germany to Croatian parents)
3. Robert Kovac (born and raised in Germany to Croatian parents)
4. Ivan Rakitic (born and raised in Switzerland to Croatian parents)
5. Ivan Klasnic (born and raised in Germany to Croatian parents)
6. Corluka and Petric were born in Bosnia to Croatian parents but back then Bosnia and Croatia were parts of the same country, Yugoslavia.

Austria:
1. Ronald Gercaliu (born and raised in Albania to Albanian parents)
2. György Garics (born and raised in Hungary to Hungarian parents)
3. Ivica Vastic (born and raised in Croatia to Croatian parents)
4. Martin Harnik (born and raised in Germany to German mother and Austrian father)
5. Ümit Korkmaz and Ramazan Özcan were born in Austria to Turkish parents while Andreas Ivanschitz was born in Austria to Croatian parents.

Poland:
1. Roger Guerreiro (Brasilian with Polish passport)

Italy:
1. Mauro Camoranesi (Argentinian with Italian passport)

Netherlands:
- all of them born in the Netherlands

France:
1. Steve Mandanda (born in Congo to Congolese parents)
2. Jean-Alain Boumsong (born in Cameroon to Cameroonian parents)
3. Patrice Evra (born in Senegal to Senegalese parents)
4. Lilian Thuram (born in Guadaloupe on the Caribbean sea)
5. Patrick Vieira (born in Senegal to Senegalese parents)
6. Claude Makelele (born in Congo to Congolese parents)
7. Florent Malouda (born in Guiana to Guianian parents)

Romania:
-All of them born in Romania.

Greece:
1. Loukas Vyntra (born in Czech republic. Czech father, Greek mother)

Sweden:
1. Tobias Linderoth (born in France to Swedish parents)
2. Majstorovic and Ibrahimovic are born in Sweden but their Balkan background is obvious

Spain:
1. Marcos Senna (Brasilian with Spanish passport)

Russia:
1. Sergei Semak (born in Ukraine, back then part of the Soviet Union, to Ukrainian-Russian family)