So Who Should Play for the Azzurri? (19 Viewers)

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Bjerknes

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    None taken , I'm not German .
    Let me ask you this. If there was some Lebanese talent who grew up in the US under Lebanese immigrant parents (assuming you are indeed Lebanese), how would you feel if he played for the US instead of Lebanon even in spite of his parents' instructions?
     
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    Bjerknes

    Bjerknes

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    None taken , I'm not German , oh , and you can stop using quotations around the word " blood " , It's getting kind of old .
    Not really. What, are you mad at the fact we all have the same blood except for one constituent that encompasses about .1%?
     
    Jan 7, 2004
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    you know how many born and raised (and many more with albanian parents and "blood") albanian players of all sorts of sports play for other countries, because it's better for their career. you just get over it
     
    Jun 13, 2007
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    Let me ask you this. If there was some Lebanese talent who grew up in the US under Lebanese immigrant parents (assuming you are indeed Lebanese), how would you feel if he played for the US instead of Lebanon even in spite of his parents' instructions?
    Obviously I wouldn't be happy , but I would completely understand that this guy has made this decision for personal reasons and If he doesn't want to play for my country then I wouldn't want him to either .

    I see where you're coming from though , but Rossi made this decision beacuse he probably thought playing for Italy would make him more famous , succesful etc....
     
    Jun 13, 2007
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    Not really. What, are you mad at the fact we all have the same blood except for one constituent that encompasses about .1%?
    Im not mad at all , I don't believe that blood shit anyway . I just thought you were trying too hard to emphasize you're point on "blood" , I mean , we all get the point .
    I don't think national teams really matter as far as careers go. Look at Ryan Giggs.
    It has prevented him from being successful at all national competetions , how has it not affected his carreer ?
     

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    It has prevented him from being successful at all national competetions , how has it not affected his carreer ?
    Well Giggs was at one time one of the best midfielders in the world. Some might say that is success enough. And how do you measure success? Not everyone wins international competitions. Does that make your career less successful? Playing for your national team is a privilege usually brought about by successful club play. I'd say play over the years at the club level is a more accurate measure of success than who you're national team is.
     
    Jun 13, 2007
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    Well Giggs was at one time one of the best midfielders in the world. Some might say that is success enough. And how do you measure success? Not everyone wins international competitions. Does that make your career less successful? Playing for your national team is a privilege usually brought about by successful club play. I'd say play over the years at the club level is a more accurate measure of success than who you're national team is.
    Winning at the International stage is every footballer's dream . Giggs was fantastic , imagine he played for England and won the Euro or W.C , it would have undoubtedly been the biggest high in his carreer .

    Take Canna for example , if one were to ask him what his biggest achievement was , what do you think he would answer ? " winning league titles with Real and Juve , or winning the world cup " ?

    I'm not using international competetions as a way to measure a plater's carreer but it definetely has a big impact on that player's reputation and fame . Imagine Zidane did not take up the French nationality . He would have excelled at club level but the truth is , people wouldn't view him as the same player he is viewed as now because he has never excelled in National competetions .

    Even if a player did not win something big at the International stage , he would still be noticed by clubs and that alone would have a huge impact on his carreer . I could give you countless examples of players that have beeen made famous from International competitions alone .
     

    Osman

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    Personally, even despite the fact I have "German blood," I'd rather play for the USA. No offense.
    Are you first generation american? Like you have grown german parents who immigratyed to the US and had you there (then later on moved back to germany in your early teens with your family). If not, you arent comparable to Rossi.

    Its nothing to simply decide by blood or the country you are born in simply, but its nothing to generalize either. I know your extremely biased feelings and I wouldnt want to restart a discussion I saw I side of you I dont like hehe, but its important to distinct clear cases from one another instead of brush it with the same stroke. Rossi was raised by italians in america, easy to identify with your parents culture and people first and foremost (laws and geography has little meaning to this)then instead of automatically only the country you are born in.

    Thats different for example I presume, a scenario like yours, where your germanhood comes from centuries ago (or at most a century ago perhaps) of your forefathers immigrating to the US. I would assume like with most of long ago immigration, your family has long ago lost whatever tie there is to germany culturally and in other way, except by blood and perhaps name. That they are your average culturally typical americans, with all ties to the country, and little if any to the old world so to speak.

    Not saying you were comparing, but you realise how different these cases are and how in general its not good to brush them with the same brush? Your sitaution (if I presumed correctly) and someone like Rossis are quite different, and has very much different factors in taking a decision choosing one over the other, you would be unlikely to have feelings for germany, he would be likely to have strong ones for italy (its a choice those who have double choices like that has a right to make, like how Balotelli made his for Italy. He most likely feels zero ties with Ghana because he was raised by italians in Italy, instead of Ghanaians in Italy).

    Just like for example my swedish friend who is of french origin of long long time ago, feels fully swedish and has little to do with france, cant be compared with for example my little brother who is born in sweden but still due to his family and everything else, totally identifies with his origin of Somalia, even if one is a product of sweden too and is attached to it. Both people who are legally swedish citizens, and both love it, but also has very very very much different relation to their origin and ethniticy.

    In relation to this thread, if Amauri even has 25%(we dont even know if he has at all) or 100% ethnic origin to Italy, he would most likely a case similar to you in having zero feelings or ties to Italy. While it would be different with cases like Rossi etc.
     

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    Winning at the International stage is every footballer's dream . Giggs was fantastic , imagine he played for England and won the Euro or W.C , it would have undoubtedly been the biggest high in his carreer .

    Take Canna for example , if one were to ask him what his biggest achievement was , what do you think he would answer ? " winning league titles with Real and Juve , or winning the world cup " ?

    I'm not using international competetions as a way to measure a plater's carreer but it definetely has a big impact on that player's reputation and fame . Imagine Zidane did not take up the French nationality . He would have excelled at club level but the truth is , people wouldn't view him as the same player he is viewed as now because he has never excelled in National competetions .

    Even if a player did not win something big at the International stage , he would still be noticed by clubs and that alone would have a huge impact on his carreer . I could give you countless examples of players that have beeen made famous from International competitions alone .
    I think I respect Giggs more for not playing for England.
     
    Jun 13, 2007
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    I think I respect Giggs more for not playing for England.
    He gave up the chance of international glory so he could remain faithful to his own nation , he definetely deserves respect . However , if he had chosen to play for England , I for one would completely understand his decision .
     

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