So Who Should Play for the Azzurri? (7 Viewers)

[Franky4Fingers]

Zidane was arugably the greatest player ever. He was of Algerian roots, but played for the French team. Damn those French for letting a non French blooded person play for their glorious team. If it was Italy, they would have never let this impure fool play for them, regardless if he was born there or not. He's blood is impure.

Vieira- Senegalese born, plays for France. Oh no he doesn't love France that's why se sucks so much for them right?

Claude Makelele- Born in Congo, plays for France. Oh no he doesn't love France, that's why he is such a bad player right?

Edgar Davids - born in Suriname, played for Holland.

Seedorf-- same as Davids


but you see, no one cares about them. It's ok if players from foreign origins want to play for other teams, but for Italy NOOOOOOOOOO. Because Italian blood is superior to everyone else. Hail Italy!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Suriname used to be part of the Dutch kingdom untill 1975, so Davids was in fact born in the Dutch kingdom. Seedorf one year later but still.

But besides that, I do have to agree with Andy here, the only thing that should matter when being able to play for a NT or not should be your passport.
Holland had a case like this 2 years ago with Kalou, who wanted a passport so he could play for us at the WC2006, but he didn't get one cause he didn't qualify for one. If a person is qualified to get a passport, hence he is living somewhere long enough, he speaks the language etc., he should be eligable to play for the NT.

It becomes a different matter when rules are bend or even broken to gain a passport.

 

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[Fred]

btw, Flamini has Italian great grandparents, if he didnt play for France, would people here be ok with him playing for Italy?

 

[Bjerknes]

You don't have German citizenship.

Stop annoying people. You have an agenda, Andy, and it's not a pretty one. It's up to the nations themselves to decide whether or not to give someone citizenship and then it's up to the national team coach to select the players. It's that simple and it is quite honestly the very best system you could have. Stop being such a wanker.

Not sure how you can label me a wanker when we essentially share the same opinion. It's not like you're an Italian either, so don't speak on behalf of Italy.

 

[Bjerknes]

Of course people here are going to be upset with me because this is primarily an Azzurri forum and people don't want to discuss this issue. It's always on the hush hush, D-L. But the point is, too many people from all sorts of the world have double standards when it comes to this issue and citizenship in general.

In my view, Camoranesi can play with Italy as he has citizenship. And if Amauri can gain citizenship, he can play for the Azzurri as well. It's as simple as that.

 

[Seven]

Not sure how you can label me a wanker when we essentially share the same opinion. It's not like you're an Italian either, so don't speak on behalf of Italy.

This phrase demonstrates how hung up you are on nationality. Even an Italian wouldn't be able to speak on behalf of Italy. We are simply people giving an opinion. I never said I was defending the opinion of every Italian out there.

What bothers me is that you know citizenship is what matters and that citizenship is the only objective measure we can use. You're not asking a question. I agree that everyone who disagrees here has simply got it wrong, but you are trying to provoke people with this thread in quite a ridiculous manner.

 

[Bjerknes]

Unlike some of the members here who think Camo can play for Italy if he gets called by Donadoni but Amauri can't play for Italy even if he gets the passport and gets called by Donadoni, and their reason is "Amauri doesn't have Italian blood while Camo has some of it".
What i don't agree with is the blood argument some are using.

It's not about disagreeing with the argument because the "blood" argument is already wrong anyway. As most know, we all have the same blood. So it's a fallacy.

People label me a wanker for this thread, but strangely enough I have argued for and against all the points seen here. All I wanted to do was make people uphold a standard and highlight some issues with the logic (or lack there of) I've gathered from not only Azzurri fans, but also French, Dutch, and especially American.

Surprisingly enough, there are some American fans I've encountered who actually argued against Freddy Adu playing for the US based on the glorious "blood" argument.

 

[Bjerknes]

This phrase demonstrates how hung up you are on nationality. Even an Italian wouldn't be able to speak on behalf of Italy. We are simply people giving an opinion. I never said I was defending the opinion of every Italian out there.

But you just stated it's up to the nations to decide who they employ. So why are you trying to tell me who they should employ right now?

What bothers me is that you know citizenship is what matters and that citizenship is the only objective measure we can use. You're not asking a question. I agree that everyone who disagrees here has simply got it wrong, but you are trying to provoke people with this thread in quite a ridiculous manner.

Never was I trying to provoke people with this thread, as it's pretty clear I was open to various measures of nationality in my opening post in this thread. But yeah, once people start labeling me a "retard" and the like, of course I'll provoke people. But that's not the point.

Fact is, I've seen too much hypocrisy in this issue to let slide. Surely you can at least partially agree with that statement.

 

[Franky4Fingers]

It's not about disagreeing with the argument because the "blood" argument is already wrong anyway. As most know, we all have the same blood. So it's a fallacy.

People label me a wanker for this thread, but strangely enough I have argued for and against all the points seen here. All I wanted to do was make people uphold a standard and highlight some issues with the logic (or lack there of) I've gathered from not only Azzurri fans, but also French, Dutch, and especially American.

Surprisingly enough, there are some American fans I've encountered who actually argued against Freddy Adu playing for the US based on the glorious "blood" argument.

I'd like to see 11 natives play at the WC2010

 

[Bjerknes]

I'd like to see 11 natives play at the WC2010

Yeah. With Chief Sitting Bull winning the Golden Boot and Pocahontas as manager.

 

[Éver]

Andy just can't accept that, oh my god, other people have an opinion that isn't the same as his. Which is quite pathetic really.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

your opinion is pathetic, ignorant and borderline racist

 

[Bjerknes]

Andy just can't accept that, oh my god, other people have an opinion that isn't the same as his. Which is quite pathetic really.

Roses are red, violets are blue, the world is flat and I know kung-fu.

 

[Éver]

your opinion is pathetic, ignorant and borderline racist

haha

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

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Ever?

Yo, Ever?

Banega?


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[Éver]

Grow up you spacker

 

[Franky4Fingers]

haha haha

Ever had a Banega near your Panucci, Ever? Ever been a PISSANT, Ever? I HAD A PISS-SHIT-DICK-FUCK ON AN EVER, ONCE......EVER? Ever sucked and ever's dick, Ever? Ever "ever-ed" and EVER, EVER!?!?!


Ever?

Yo, Ever?

Banega?


haha haha haha

 

[Franky4Fingers]

Yeah. With Chief Sitting Bull winning the Golden Boot and Pocahontas as manager.

You forgot about Hiawata in the "Giovinco" roll as pocketsize-left-winger

 

[Zé Tahir]

haha haha

Ever had a Banega near your Panucci, Ever? Ever been a PISSANT, Ever? I HAD A PISS-SHIT-DICK-FUCK ON AN EVER, ONCE......EVER? Ever sucked and ever's dick, Ever? Ever "ever-ed" and EVER, EVER!?!?!


Ever?

Yo, Ever?

Banega?


haha haha haha

This reminds me of what my friend said the other day. I was studying Arabic and he asked me what the "alif" was and I said it was the "A" sound and he goes "That's so dumb, why can't they just put an A there?"

And then yesterday I was streaming a game on Sopcast and the commentators were speaking in Portuguese and my friend goes "bla bla bla halhalha...english is so overrated we're going to talk like this halablabla"



Ignorance is bliss.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Grow up you spacker

You first, you ass-packer.

 

[Fred]

haha haha

Ever had a Banega near your Panucci, Ever? Ever been a PISSANT, Ever? I HAD A PISS-SHIT-DICK-FUCK ON AN EVER, ONCE......EVER? Ever sucked and ever's dick, Ever? Ever "ever-ed" and EVER, EVER!?!?!


Ever?

Yo, Ever?

Banega?


haha haha haha