Silent conspiracy! (1 Viewer)

gaetano

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Aug 17, 2004
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The silence needs to be broken NOW!

The city of Turin, from the soccer point of view, but not only, is divided in two parts, each with its own distinct image, history, characteristics, motivations and charisma. Both entities are however diametrically opposite to each other. On one side we have AC Torino, affectionately known as Il Toro by the fans. A club with a glorious and tragic past which reached its zenith in the post war years with one of the best soccer teams in the history of world football. A plane crash cancelled all this glory just as if the heavens were jealous of having created something so sublime just for mere mortals. Today, Il Toro is living a horrific nightmare, relegated to the limbo of the Serie B, the Italian equivalent of England's First Division. On the other hand, the other city club, juventus, basks in the limelight created by powerful magnates and politicians from Turin and elsewhere. Turin is not Milan, where two equal teams pay what is their due to use the Giuseppe Meazza Stadium. Turin is not even Rome where the two main city clubs are overtly aided by city politicians and media people. The situation in Rome may seem parochial or medieval in certain aspects, but at least both clubs tend to be on equal footing. In Turin nothing of the sort happens. There reigns a sober, high class silence. But not everyone keeps his mouth shut. There are still those who have still to be hushed up yet. Sometimes, right from the grassroots, a commoner's voice airs the grievances and vents out the crude facts.

Let's go back a few years from now ...

juventus wanted a stadium of its own. They wanted the Delle Alpi Stadium and wanted to arrive to it with the least economic sacrifice. They had no intention of spending a massive sum. Their intention was to guarantee it with a ridiculous amount of money espescially when one bears in mind the actual price of the site and its surrounding area which has a high potential in property terms. Given the fact that for such a juicy bone there could be two contenders (juventus FCand AC Torino) , some strange facts had to take place so as to leave the right of way to the Bianconeri (juventus):

1 - The Delle Alpi Stadium is one of the rare cases in Turin's building industry where FIAT, juventus' main economic backbone, was not involved in its constuction. Some sort of bad light had to be shed on this stadium so as to induce public opinion to look at it as a waste of public funds. Part of the city press close to juventus, divulgated false accusations, exaggerated costs, pointed fingers at the fact that the whole construction was nothing else but a white elephant. Naturally all this was done with the sole purpose of preparing the way for some sort of major reconstruction.

2- Therefore, to make sure that there would not be any kind of opposition towards the project, some sort of pressure had to be made on the city authorities. This psychological pressure started by threatening that they (juventus) were going to leave Turin and find another city where to play their home matches. This move payed well. The Bianconeri were handed the running and eventual proceedings of all the advertisment business within the Delle Alpi. Moreover, the city authorities also agreed in paying up for the maintenance! All this was done so as to keep gi*ve from running away from Turin.

3- Another curious fact was how to make juventus as the one and only sports club to represent the city of Turin. In a matter of a few weeks or months, the zebra, which always was an unmistakeable gi*ve emblem, was changed into a charging bull (the animal that represents the city on its coat of arms), which has been on AC Torino's official badge since its foundation day.

4 - Just to make sure that AC Torino would never think of trying to poke its nose and make the same pretentions like juventus FC about the Delle Alpi, something had to be done. It would have been a major setback for the Bianconeri to have Il Toro nosing about and pretending to participate in an eventual fair auction for the above mentioned football ground. Such a decision by the board members of Torino Calcio would have led to a dramatic increase in price for the Delle Alpi site ... all this was what gi*ve desperately did not want. To make sure that nobody from AC Torino would have the idea or the guts to ask for such a bidding competition, it was important to have gi*ve's rivals controlled by someone from inside the club itself.

What followed was a violent and mud slandering campaign by the Turin press (most of it under FIAT / juventus FC influence, direct or indirect. ) against the proprieters of AC Torino. The chairman and his group of directors known also as the Genovesi (Genoese), were kept under constant pressure and attack by the local press. Incessant attacks by the Turin papers and lack of results by the squad itself led to what then looked like the 'triumphal' arrival of Francesco Cimminelli, leader of the Ergom Group of Companies as new major shareholder of AC Torino. This industrial group is a main supplier of FIAT. The entrance of Cimminelli made sure that Ergom were payed by the FIAT group within thirty days of the arrival of the supplies. This happened in sharp contrast with the payments to other suppliers which normally took 90 to 120 days to materialize. Moreover, the Cimminelli group was given a financial backing of about 250 million Euros plus two industrial estates in the south of Italy, which made sure that there was a continuity in production even when there were strikes up in the north. As if all this was not enough, Ergom was given commissions of work by FIAT till 2010 and even later. This might seem to be some kind of conspiracy, there might seem to be some sort of shady agreement behind the scenes. Whatever they might mean, all these industrial chess moves are documented black on white.

As a matter of fact, Cimminelli, known as a very shrewd industrialist, starts to apply a mobbing policy in the running of the club. In a matter of days his relations with the supporters goes from bad to worse. He immediately declares publicly that he's a gi*ve supporter at the helm of Ac Torino just for business purposes. He ridicules and pokes fun at those Toro supporters who out of respect for their fallen heroes, still visit the plane crash site on Superga hill on the outskirts of the city. One has to point out that on this site there is a memorial and a museum dedicated to the Grande Torino.
After about a month Cimminelli does away with the new president Beppe Aghemo and hands over the job to Attilio Romero, who although declaring himself a Torino supporter, he is well known for his involvement in the tragic traffic accident that led to the premature death of Gigi Meroni, Torino's best player of the late sixties. Romero is also a FIAT man, as they call in Turin all those who formed part of the hierarchy of the car manufacturing multinational company. Besides all this, Mr. Cimminelli invites a certain Mr. Pieroni to form part of the new Torino staff as a general manager. This Pieroni, a few months before had been in the limelight because he had a verbal row with the then Torino goalkeeper Luca Bucci. This last decision of Cimminelli had however to be withdrawn because of protests from the supporters.
He moved the club from its original and historical building to an old warehouse in Via del Carmine and instead left the historical office block to his son Simone. In the meantime Mr. Cimminnelli through a press conference anounces the reconstruction of the clubs historical football ground, the Filadelfia Stadium. This press conference, where a lot of attention was given to pomp and flowery speeches, was a publicity event for Cimminelli.
However, problems started to mushroom when it came to building permits regarding the Filadelfia project. According to the architect who designed the project itself, these problems where artfully created on purpose to make sure that the building never started. Cimminelli, however manages to divert attention by obtaining the necessary permits to create a AC Torino club premises by the local council of Borgaro onthe outskirts of Turin. On the masterplan, these premises included nine football pitches, dressing rooms, building areas to house the first team and the youths' sector, forestry and landscaping.
Meanwhile, the Turin local authorities, who back in 1999, come to an agreement with juventus' managing director Mr. Giraudo about the sale of the Delle Alpi site, had to make a move to appear as impartial as possible. Thus, after giving away the Delle Alpi to juventus for the price of 5 Euros per square metre, when it should have been more like 70 Euros per sq. m, given the going property rates of those times, tries to come up with some sort of equal compromise with AC Torino. Infact it gave Cimminelli's club the old Comunale Stadium in the city centre. This stadium, in the mean time was chosen to host the opening of the 2006 Winter Olympics. Besides all this, the local authorities gave the necessary permission to Cimminelli to build a supermarket on the much debated Filadelfia site.
Due to a belated but effective mass protest by the supporters, the supermarket was moved to an adjacent area, however a housing project's approach road was built, taking away half of the original area of the club's historical football pitch.

The Comunale Stadium at a certain point, had to be brought down. But then after the stadiums' (Delle Alpi and Comunale) issue had been settled, definitely in juventus' favour, the old Turin ground became a monument of historical importance. All of a sudden, no major modifications could be made to the original structure. The perspective had to remain unchanged just like the level of the pitch itself even the irrigation and piping criss-cross system beneath it had to remain as it was. The costs to make it functionable all of a sudden balloned from 20 million euros to more than 50 million. And this for a stadium which would have the capacity of just 27,000 seats. Therefore rebuilding the Comunale meant that AC Torino had to spend more than twice what gi*ve had spent for the Delle Alpi, which in itself although in need of some changes, was a fully functional football stadium. So much so that both the teams of Turin are still using it to play their league matches, with a minor difference however. As soon as the Delle Alpi started to belong to gi*ve, AC Torino had to pay rent to their rivals for using the pitch every time that it hosts a match.
Besides the stadiums' affair, the team itself continues in its downward trend. The best players leave the team. The club doesn't even manage to obtain anything in return because they all leave on free transfers. A number of them initially go through the phase where they're not even included neither in the first 11 nor in the reserves. These same players are made to look as lazy and trouble makers as possible in the eyes of the supporters, so as to make them leave the club without any protests from the tifosi (supporters). Mobbing at its best. No players want to come and play with AC Torino anymore. Even the club's youngsters on loan with other squads refuse to return to base once their loan has ended. There has even been a case about one particular player that threatened to hang his boots if he was forced to return to Turin after being on loan for a year with another club. The youth sector, once, not so long ago, the pride and joy of the club, has been left to its own devices. Were it not for the determination of the coaches, it would probably cease to exist.
Official merchandising and gadgets are virtually inexistent.There is no central coordination of all the supporters' clubs within the club itself. The supporters thermselves have been accused of being "a bunch of ********s" by the Mr. Cimminelli. According to him they're only capable of dreaming about the past. He accuses them of putting too much pressure on the players themselves. No sort of promotion has ever been made to attract people to the matches. Toro supporters pay twice as much as an Udinese fan does to watch his team play good football in Serie A. Torino supporters pay nearly just as much as Inter and Milan fans do to watch their respective clubs contend the national title. In the mean time, AC Torino is stuck in Serie B. Mr. Cimminelli declares that he doesn't care at all what the supporters think and at the same time shares his dinners with gi*ve's General Director Luciano Moggi and goes to the Delle Alpi to watch juventus play. He's always saying that by buying AC Torino, he made a financial sacrifice. He complains regularly that he's losing money because of the club, but at the same time he doesn't want to sell it. Anybody who tries to wrestle the club from his grasp ends up with no information at all about the real financial situation. Mr.Cimminelli also refused to price the club.

In the mean time, at the Filadelfia Stadium, where works should have started at the same time as those at the Comunale, nothing changes except for the weeds that have become the only thing that grows and develops within that football field which in the past had housed so many talented players, amongst whom the Superga Heroes. The supermarket area has already been purchased by supermarket chain Bennet and therefore that piece of terrain will yield no more money to the club from now onwards.
At Borgarello, instead of football pitches and training grounds, villas and plots of land are being already sold to the general public. At the Comunale Stadium, some sort of reconstruction has started but without taking into consideration the priorities of the supporters . Whilst all the new football stadiums in the world are built with the stands overlooking directly the field, at the Comunale, the old running track is being left there to be used for the national teams' presentation in the Winter Olympics of 2006. Costs at the Comunale are soaring day after day and this is working Cimminelli's way because he'll have the excuse to delay the project because of the mushrooming expenses to build it. As a matter of fact, works are progressing at the pace of an astmathic ant with some heavy shopping!
Initially it had to be the Delle Alpi to host the Opening ceremony. However, nobody knows how, this decision was changed and the Comunale and AC Torino were given the 'honour'. It all ended up with gi*ve getting also payed for having been disturbed in the work they were doing at the Delle Alpi, the ceremony has to be held in Torino's football ground and that implies that AC Torino is being bound to keep the running track around the field. It also makes sure that gi*ve will not simply pay one fifth of the going market value but they will be given compensation for having been disturbed in their reconstruction of the Delle Alpi!
There is no conspiracy in Turin, there are no big bosses, there is no cupola. Once upon a time there were two football teams, one rich and powerful and another not as rich but full of dignity, pride and courage that the richer team of the city could only turn livid with envy because money does not buy character, tradition and honesty. The rich ones are still there and slowly but surely they're becoming richer than before since they managed to obtain practically for free a huge chunk of land and a fully functional stadium that did not belong to them. At a certain point in time, they also got payed for doing so. Those who were less rich, became even poorer because most of its property has fallen in to hands of sharks that speculate on property prices thanks to Mr. Cimminelli and Co. Only its faithful supporters remain. They're still alive and pulsating like the hot blood that runs through their veins.
There is no hidden plan to do away with Il Toro, because it is very clear that it lies at the mercy of a chosen few who are experts in getting what they want at all costs. In Turin there exists no hidden agenda to exterminate part of its own footballing tradition, at least that is the impression one gets when reading La Stampa, the main city daily. Not even the TG 3, the regional public TV station, ever mentioned anything of the what has been said above. There is no Conspiracy in Turin except for that of the worst kind, the Silent one.


Michele Monteleone
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,857
#2
Did you write this yourself or paste it from somewhere?

Interesting piece nonetheless. But the question that comes to mind is motive. What's in it for Juventus/Fiat? They finished the fiscal season at a loss, the finances aren't looking all that good. So where is the loot? Explain that issue a little more if you will. :)
 

Sid

Senior Member
Nov 10, 2003
2,377
#3
......where you got all of this? you work in some detective journali sm bureau or somethin? very interesthing though....
 

Desmond

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2002
8,938
#5
++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
Did you write this yourself or paste it from somewhere?

Interesting piece nonetheless. But the question that comes to mind is motive. What's in it for Juventus/Fiat? They finished the fiscal season at a loss, the finances aren't looking all that good. So where is the loot? Explain that issue a little more if you will. :)
stashed somewhere in a swiss bank,i'd think.if the money was actually reported and accounted for it'd raise alot of eyebrows.
 
Sep 14, 2003
5,800
#7
++ [ originally posted by gaetano ] ++
The silence needs to be broken NOW!

The city of Turin, from the soccer point of view, but not only, is divided in two parts, each with its own distinct image, history, characteristics, motivations and charisma. Both entities are however diametrically opposite to each other. On one side we have AC Torino, affectionately known as Il Toro by the fans. A club with a glorious and tragic past which reached its zenith in the post war years with one of the best soccer teams in the history of world football. A plane crash cancelled all this glory just as if the heavens were jealous of having created something so sublime just for mere mortals. Today, Il Toro is living a horrific nightmare, relegated to the limbo of the Serie B, the Italian equivalent of England's First Division. On the other hand, the other city club, juventus, basks in the limelight created by powerful magnates and politicians from Turin and elsewhere. Turin is not Milan, where two equal teams pay what is their due to use the Giuseppe Meazza Stadium. Turin is not even Rome where the two main city clubs are overtly aided by city politicians and media people. The situation in Rome may seem parochial or medieval in certain aspects, but at least both clubs tend to be on equal footing. In Turin nothing of the sort happens. There reigns a sober, high class silence. But not everyone keeps his mouth shut. There are still those who have still to be hushed up yet. Sometimes, right from the grassroots, a commoner's voice airs the grievances and vents out the crude facts.

Let's go back a few years from now ...

juventus wanted a stadium of its own. They wanted the Delle Alpi Stadium and wanted to arrive to it with the least economic sacrifice. They had no intention of spending a massive sum. Their intention was to guarantee it with a ridiculous amount of money espescially when one bears in mind the actual price of the site and its surrounding area which has a high potential in property terms. Given the fact that for such a juicy bone there could be two contenders (juventus FCand AC Torino) , some strange facts had to take place so as to leave the right of way to the Bianconeri (juventus):

1 - The Delle Alpi Stadium is one of the rare cases in Turin's building industry where FIAT, juventus' main economic backbone, was not involved in its constuction. Some sort of bad light had to be shed on this stadium so as to induce public opinion to look at it as a waste of public funds. Part of the city press close to juventus, divulgated false accusations, exaggerated costs, pointed fingers at the fact that the whole construction was nothing else but a white elephant. Naturally all this was done with the sole purpose of preparing the way for some sort of major reconstruction.

2- Therefore, to make sure that there would not be any kind of opposition towards the project, some sort of pressure had to be made on the city authorities. This psychological pressure started by threatening that they (juventus) were going to leave Turin and find another city where to play their home matches. This move payed well. The Bianconeri were handed the running and eventual proceedings of all the advertisment business within the Delle Alpi. Moreover, the city authorities also agreed in paying up for the maintenance! All this was done so as to keep gi*ve from running away from Turin.

3- Another curious fact was how to make juventus as the one and only sports club to represent the city of Turin. In a matter of a few weeks or months, the zebra, which always was an unmistakeable gi*ve emblem, was changed into a charging bull (the animal that represents the city on its coat of arms), which has been on AC Torino's official badge since its foundation day.

4 - Just to make sure that AC Torino would never think of trying to poke its nose and make the same pretentions like juventus FC about the Delle Alpi, something had to be done. It would have been a major setback for the Bianconeri to have Il Toro nosing about and pretending to participate in an eventual fair auction for the above mentioned football ground. Such a decision by the board members of Torino Calcio would have led to a dramatic increase in price for the Delle Alpi site ... all this was what gi*ve desperately did not want. To make sure that nobody from AC Torino would have the idea or the guts to ask for such a bidding competition, it was important to have gi*ve's rivals controlled by someone from inside the club itself.

What followed was a violent and mud slandering campaign by the Turin press (most of it under FIAT / juventus FC influence, direct or indirect. ) against the proprieters of AC Torino. The chairman and his group of directors known also as the Genovesi (Genoese), were kept under constant pressure and attack by the local press. Incessant attacks by the Turin papers and lack of results by the squad itself led to what then looked like the 'triumphal' arrival of Francesco Cimminelli, leader of the Ergom Group of Companies as new major shareholder of AC Torino. This industrial group is a main supplier of FIAT. The entrance of Cimminelli made sure that Ergom were payed by the FIAT group within thirty days of the arrival of the supplies. This happened in sharp contrast with the payments to other suppliers which normally took 90 to 120 days to materialize. Moreover, the Cimminelli group was given a financial backing of about 250 million Euros plus two industrial estates in the south of Italy, which made sure that there was a continuity in production even when there were strikes up in the north. As if all this was not enough, Ergom was given commissions of work by FIAT till 2010 and even later. This might seem to be some kind of conspiracy, there might seem to be some sort of shady agreement behind the scenes. Whatever they might mean, all these industrial chess moves are documented black on white.

As a matter of fact, Cimminelli, known as a very shrewd industrialist, starts to apply a mobbing policy in the running of the club. In a matter of days his relations with the supporters goes from bad to worse. He immediately declares publicly that he's a gi*ve supporter at the helm of Ac Torino just for business purposes. He ridicules and pokes fun at those Toro supporters who out of respect for their fallen heroes, still visit the plane crash site on Superga hill on the outskirts of the city. One has to point out that on this site there is a memorial and a museum dedicated to the Grande Torino.
After about a month Cimminelli does away with the new president Beppe Aghemo and hands over the job to Attilio Romero, who although declaring himself a Torino supporter, he is well known for his involvement in the tragic traffic accident that led to the premature death of Gigi Meroni, Torino's best player of the late sixties. Romero is also a FIAT man, as they call in Turin all those who formed part of the hierarchy of the car manufacturing multinational company. Besides all this, Mr. Cimminelli invites a certain Mr. Pieroni to form part of the new Torino staff as a general manager. This Pieroni, a few months before had been in the limelight because he had a verbal row with the then Torino goalkeeper Luca Bucci. This last decision of Cimminelli had however to be withdrawn because of protests from the supporters.
He moved the club from its original and historical building to an old warehouse in Via del Carmine and instead left the historical office block to his son Simone. In the meantime Mr. Cimminnelli through a press conference anounces the reconstruction of the clubs historical football ground, the Filadelfia Stadium. This press conference, where a lot of attention was given to pomp and flowery speeches, was a publicity event for Cimminelli.
However, problems started to mushroom when it came to building permits regarding the Filadelfia project. According to the architect who designed the project itself, these problems where artfully created on purpose to make sure that the building never started. Cimminelli, however manages to divert attention by obtaining the necessary permits to create a AC Torino club premises by the local council of Borgaro onthe outskirts of Turin. On the masterplan, these premises included nine football pitches, dressing rooms, building areas to house the first team and the youths' sector, forestry and landscaping.
Meanwhile, the Turin local authorities, who back in 1999, come to an agreement with juventus' managing director Mr. Giraudo about the sale of the Delle Alpi site, had to make a move to appear as impartial as possible. Thus, after giving away the Delle Alpi to juventus for the price of 5 Euros per square metre, when it should have been more like 70 Euros per sq. m, given the going property rates of those times, tries to come up with some sort of equal compromise with AC Torino. Infact it gave Cimminelli's club the old Comunale Stadium in the city centre. This stadium, in the mean time was chosen to host the opening of the 2006 Winter Olympics. Besides all this, the local authorities gave the necessary permission to Cimminelli to build a supermarket on the much debated Filadelfia site.
Due to a belated but effective mass protest by the supporters, the supermarket was moved to an adjacent area, however a housing project's approach road was built, taking away half of the original area of the club's historical football pitch.

The Comunale Stadium at a certain point, had to be brought down. But then after the stadiums' (Delle Alpi and Comunale) issue had been settled, definitely in juventus' favour, the old Turin ground became a monument of historical importance. All of a sudden, no major modifications could be made to the original structure. The perspective had to remain unchanged just like the level of the pitch itself even the irrigation and piping criss-cross system beneath it had to remain as it was. The costs to make it functionable all of a sudden balloned from 20 million euros to more than 50 million. And this for a stadium which would have the capacity of just 27,000 seats. Therefore rebuilding the Comunale meant that AC Torino had to spend more than twice what gi*ve had spent for the Delle Alpi, which in itself although in need of some changes, was a fully functional football stadium. So much so that both the teams of Turin are still using it to play their league matches, with a minor difference however. As soon as the Delle Alpi started to belong to gi*ve, AC Torino had to pay rent to their rivals for using the pitch every time that it hosts a match.
Besides the stadiums' affair, the team itself continues in its downward trend. The best players leave the team. The club doesn't even manage to obtain anything in return because they all leave on free transfers. A number of them initially go through the phase where they're not even included neither in the first 11 nor in the reserves. These same players are made to look as lazy and trouble makers as possible in the eyes of the supporters, so as to make them leave the club without any protests from the tifosi (supporters). Mobbing at its best. No players want to come and play with AC Torino anymore. Even the club's youngsters on loan with other squads refuse to return to base once their loan has ended. There has even been a case about one particular player that threatened to hang his boots if he was forced to return to Turin after being on loan for a year with another club. The youth sector, once, not so long ago, the pride and joy of the club, has been left to its own devices. Were it not for the determination of the coaches, it would probably cease to exist.
Official merchandising and gadgets are virtually inexistent.There is no central coordination of all the supporters' clubs within the club itself. The supporters thermselves have been accused of being "a bunch of ********s" by the Mr. Cimminelli. According to him they're only capable of dreaming about the past. He accuses them of putting too much pressure on the players themselves. No sort of promotion has ever been made to attract people to the matches. Toro supporters pay twice as much as an Udinese fan does to watch his team play good football in Serie A. Torino supporters pay nearly just as much as Inter and Milan fans do to watch their respective clubs contend the national title. In the mean time, AC Torino is stuck in Serie B. Mr. Cimminelli declares that he doesn't care at all what the supporters think and at the same time shares his dinners with gi*ve's General Director Luciano Moggi and goes to the Delle Alpi to watch juventus play. He's always saying that by buying AC Torino, he made a financial sacrifice. He complains regularly that he's losing money because of the club, but at the same time he doesn't want to sell it. Anybody who tries to wrestle the club from his grasp ends up with no information at all about the real financial situation. Mr.Cimminelli also refused to price the club.

In the mean time, at the Filadelfia Stadium, where works should have started at the same time as those at the Comunale, nothing changes except for the weeds that have become the only thing that grows and develops within that football field which in the past had housed so many talented players, amongst whom the Superga Heroes. The supermarket area has already been purchased by supermarket chain Bennet and therefore that piece of terrain will yield no more money to the club from now onwards.
At Borgarello, instead of football pitches and training grounds, villas and plots of land are being already sold to the general public. At the Comunale Stadium, some sort of reconstruction has started but without taking into consideration the priorities of the supporters . Whilst all the new football stadiums in the world are built with the stands overlooking directly the field, at the Comunale, the old running track is being left there to be used for the national teams' presentation in the Winter Olympics of 2006. Costs at the Comunale are soaring day after day and this is working Cimminelli's way because he'll have the excuse to delay the project because of the mushrooming expenses to build it. As a matter of fact, works are progressing at the pace of an astmathic ant with some heavy shopping!
Initially it had to be the Delle Alpi to host the Opening ceremony. However, nobody knows how, this decision was changed and the Comunale and AC Torino were given the 'honour'. It all ended up with gi*ve getting also payed for having been disturbed in the work they were doing at the Delle Alpi, the ceremony has to be held in Torino's football ground and that implies that AC Torino is being bound to keep the running track around the field. It also makes sure that gi*ve will not simply pay one fifth of the going market value but they will be given compensation for having been disturbed in their reconstruction of the Delle Alpi!
There is no conspiracy in Turin, there are no big bosses, there is no cupola. Once upon a time there were two football teams, one rich and powerful and another not as rich but full of dignity, pride and courage that the richer team of the city could only turn livid with envy because money does not buy character, tradition and honesty. The rich ones are still there and slowly but surely they're becoming richer than before since they managed to obtain practically for free a huge chunk of land and a fully functional stadium that did not belong to them. At a certain point in time, they also got payed for doing so. Those who were less rich, became even poorer because most of its property has fallen in to hands of sharks that speculate on property prices thanks to Mr. Cimminelli and Co. Only its faithful supporters remain. They're still alive and pulsating like the hot blood that runs through their veins.
There is no hidden plan to do away with Il Toro, because it is very clear that it lies at the mercy of a chosen few who are experts in getting what they want at all costs. In Turin there exists no hidden agenda to exterminate part of its own footballing tradition, at least that is the impression one gets when reading La Stampa, the main city daily. Not even the TG 3, the regional public TV station, ever mentioned anything of the what has been said above. There is no Conspiracy in Turin except for that of the worst kind, the Silent one.


Michele Monteleone

Mi sento male per il Toro

:dielaugh:
 

gray

Senior Member
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Apr 22, 2003
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#15
:wth: 116.892 square metres? An area that measures 116.892 square metres would be like 12m x 10m
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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#16
I'm sorry, I added a full stop there to try to make it more clear (, is used for seperating decimals here).

It's, by my calculations, around 116892 square meters, as in 116 thousand ;)
 

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