Should Ranieri stay or go? (6 Viewers)

[Snoop]

I think a decisive point in this forum discussion is the opinion of vSnoop. We've both been posters here for quite a while, and I don't recall one time when he has blasted a current manager for what he's done at the club. Throughout the Capello era and throughout last Fall, he's defended our managers and looked on the bright side. Perhaps he started to become harsh on Lippi when people were defending Marcelo against Capello, but that was more of a subjective discussion than this one. Snoop has come out to say that he's extremely displeased with Ranieri and has voted to have him fired. It's very, and I mean very, out of character for him. Therefore, something has to be wrong here.

Lol, It is true that I always wait until everything is crystal clear before judging a player or a manager, but I don't see anything positive with Ranieri anymore, the Inter game was the boiling point, it all started with the Empoli game, I was losing my patience, but he is so lucky somehow out of nowhere something (which isn't planned obviously) is happening and changing the whole situation. And this is happening match after other, Empoli, Sampdoria and finally Inter. All he is doing is complaining after each match that he didn't like the performance, is he trying anything new? can't he see the problem? he is just sitting there and want a better performance. It's 26 January and he didn't sign anyone yet! Then he sees no problem in the squad, while the whole world knows this team lacks a creative midfielder and a good central defender at least, but no! he spends another over 10 Million for another defensive midfielder, and releases the other two.

The only reason he is still here, is the lucky results! When the luck turns off, everyone will agree with us.

 

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[Midzata®]

What are you saying!?! Ranieri shouldn't go!!! He should fly away with the light of speed.:melayyanandmessi:

You names this smiley melayyanandmessi... Thats crazy!!!

 

[Azzurri7]

Ppl should make a diff between defending ranieri and saying something logic/making sense. To me, cronios sateeh and some others are not defending Ranieri and they've said it, but it's just about some sense and logical things.

To me Ranieri isn't something special, but what denco said for example makes some sense whether we're happy with the results or not.

 

[Vinman]

if RUINeri stays, this becomes a wasted year...mark my words !!!

 

[Lion]

Lion, how many matches have you seen this season? We never look like we have a plan, or any idea whatsoever as a TEAM on the pitch. Our passing is horrid, our crossing is pathetic, our team movement is stagnant, and all we ever do is play long balls up the pitch. In almost every match people complain about ridiculous substitions made or not made by Ranieri, a talking point when we want to discuss how many points we have lost because of ridiculous subs, just like Ale coming off against Samp. I mean, I could go on and on discussing the mistakes that probably cost us points.

Now, most of goals this season have been created by individual brilliance, mostly by Del Piero. He has saved our asses so many times it's incredible. Ranieri doesn't tell our captain where to play... he just tells him when. At this point, only a foolish manager would tell a player like Del Piero how to play his game as he's a legend for this club and knows what he's doing out there. Ale is on top form for his age and I highly doubt Ranieri can take credit for that fact. It's a fact we rely far too heavily on a three individuals and that's why we rely on individual brilliance to win, or even draw, matches. It's only a select few who are able to save our asses from horrid crosses from the wing and no service from central midfield. I think you can guess who they are.

I've watched every match since the Roma match (except damn Coppa). Yeah I know it's frustrating many times watching the way we play. somestimes it looks like we have no clue. But the thing is, If a manager has no clue, players can only take you so far. you want a manager who has no clue despite having brilliant players in the squad? look at Ancelotti's league performances in the past 2 seasons. Look i know Ranieri makes weird ass choices, but if it gets us a CL spot then I have no problem...for this season.

I hate long balls too. I hated the way Capello abused that tactic. I'm not happy with the long balls and the lack of creativity now, but I can understand it. Capello had argubaly the best defense in the world, yet he insisted on using the straight 4-4-2 with 2 dms and long balls. I hated it because we had a choice in not having to protect an already capable defense, but Capello did it anyway. Ranieri doesn't really have a choice. either protect the defense with 2 dms or watch us concede goals left and right. hell even with 2 dms our defense gets exposed really bad...makes you wonder how bad it would be if we don't rely on our dms. then there is the fact that we are playing with 8 new players (counting the ones who have left/are leaving). It's not an easy task to form a solid team that plays consistent football in less than a season.

firing Ranieri won't solve anything right now. Can you imagine how bad it would be if we brought in a manager who pulls a Koeman and starts axing players left and right? let's wait until the season is over before we can make a proper judgment. Quite frankly firing managers like this is would turn us into the new Inter.

Right now we have bigger problems. Mainly a usless Secco. There is only so much a manager can do when the transfer "guru" is fucking up everywhere.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

ranieri should go if we have a good replacement, but what is the point of sacking him now if we're gonna get dellio friggin rossi. we sure as hell ain't gonna get mourinho or lippi now.

 

[Adrian]

The mistake was made a long time ago and that was not working with Deschamps in the transfer market, its no wonder he left after the way we see Secco wheeling and dealing, or not in most cases.

Ranieri isn't a super coach, but he is a coach who can get the result the club was after this season..that is a CL spot. I read in someone's post that he will ruin the season...well what was the objective of the season?

We don't have a good team, we dont have great players...the only replacement who would walk into the club and maybe improve the team would be Lippi. Why? Because he gets the best out of his players, regardless of them being good or bad. But he wont return, and anyone else who comes knocking wouldn't be any better than Ranieri.

Nonetheless, Ranieri is an issue for the club moving forward after this season. If we make the CL we dont only have to look at onfield reinforcements, but also a better coach if one was available.

 

[Salvo]

as ive said before. keep till the end of the season afterall he is doing kepping the objective of the season on track. then get a coach that can bring us back to our former prestige.

 

[JCK]

This thread is the funniest

 

[Gill_juve]

Honestly, there's better coaches than Ranieri... but none of them wanted to be here.

Why is that?

Well, lets stop putting lipstick on a pig here... this team is not very good aside from its stars that stuck around and a couple rising stars. The best youth are on loan, and many of the stars are injured and/or are injury prone. Yet the expectations people have is that this team as is should be pounding Inter and atop the standings.

Look at Juventus' roster, and look at Roma, Inter and AC. Buffon and the forwards are the only ones that stack up. Juve's defense... healthy... still doesn't stack up to those three. The central midfield is a joke, with Zanetti luckily playing elite. Nocerino is not ready for primetime, and Tiago is a flop. Almiron too. Is Sissoko an overpriced joke? Yeah. But, Ranieri did good things with him in Valencia.

How can anyone expect better from this team. We all said that Juve as it stood coming out of B had little chance to be Top 4. That's essentially the team we have though.

However, if Ranieri has anything to do with the abhorrent transfer policy, then this season should be his last on that alone.

exactly, i dont know what people here expect. sure ranieri is stupid and shit but we are doing well and we can be expected to win every fucking match and be the same team when we were winning the league 3years ago. its going to take time, 2 years probably, but we will have to wait because i dont see ranieri lasting that long if gigli has any balls.

 

[Gill_juve]

if RUINeri stays, this becomes a wasted year...mark my words !!!

if we get into the CL? wasted? i dont think so and you have to admit that too.

 

[Boudz]

Question for everyone:Would you mind bringing Ancelotti back if he leaves Milan?

 

[Salvo]

umm no i wouldnt want him back. hes a good coach and all but no.

 

[Chazz]

Good God NO

 

[Mike-e-y]

i'd rather have Mclaren than Ancelotti!!!!!

 

[Firestarter]

I went with:
2- He is bad, but we need to keep him until the end of the season

 

[Amaurisimo]

Question for everyone:Would you mind bringing Ancelotti back if he leaves Milan?

umm no i wouldnt want him back. hes a good coach and all but no.

Good God NO

i'd rather have Mclaren than Ancelotti!!!!!

very funny..you dont want him, you dont want Jose (some of you), you dont want Manchini, DD is not good, Rafa not good either, Capello def. not..
so who for f....sake?

make up your mind, but before that, think about , what players do we have and what is really possible to get out of them..

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

very funny..you dont want him, you dont want Jose (some of you), you dont want Manchini, DD is not good, Rafa not good either, Capello def. not..
so who for f....sake?

make up your mind, but before that, think about , what players do we have and what is really possible to get out of them..

Listen up, chief. You are a Ranieri lover, that's it, you know how I can tell? From your very "Juventus-loving" username and avatar. Good job, fuckhead. Lampard is the best Juventus player never to play for Juventus, and Ranieri is the best coach not to have a brain. I bet you wish he would come manage JUBILO IWATA or FC TOKYO, or hell, maybe even the IRAWA REDS.....grow up, Ernie.

You need to move to Italy and wash Rani's undies.....

(Sniff them too.)

 

[Amaurisimo]

Nice thorough post Denco,

Comparasion with the past teams and games is not "true" fact. But it is nice to argue with you, since you don't insult other people opinions.

The game is different now, more or less. It is like trying to compare Pele to Maradona, or in NBA Chemberlen or Michael Jordan. Each of them were great at their own time.

We were not expecting to fight for the Scudetto this year. Yes it is true that maybe the good result gave us exaggerate hopes. Maybe that is a "problem" too for CR.

All the coaches of Juventus had critics, that is so true. That is Juventus, always hungry for win, and used to winning which is a big difference

Yes we don't have a players that are at level Juventus used to have, and we all know it.

But I will have to disagree that Almiron and Tiago were flops. Maybe we don't have enough "insight" of what is going on during the trainings/practices and what is the character of the players and how the are settled or not (whatever that means, only coach knows). But we have seen Tiago play, he did some (for me) extraordinary assists. So he was not a total flop. He had some mistakes, but the whole team had and yet, he was not given any chance. He could not make anymore damage. For Almiron, I can't say, but we could feel the energy he had during the summer games, in which we also noticed Nocerino potential. For me it was logically to try and get something out of those two.
As we all see, lots of players were given "displacements" to try and find their form. These two did not get any chance. But for now we don't have the real reasons

Anyway... we are not the team we used to be, we need to re-build it. Do you notice any building going on? Do you notice improvement of the game? Do you have a "feeling" that the team is leaded by the Manager. Personally I have no such evidence. (or I am watching with my non-pink eyeglasses)

As the players who does not perform to managers expectations, are sent away (if not given any chances), we have the right to be the "voice" of the management to decide whether he is performing or under performing. And this coach has not performed in the past and we ARE "scared" that he will not again. He did ruind Chelsea in the Champions League against Monaco in the semi-final.

And changing coach at this point will not do any harm to stability, teamwork, getting to know with players etc (what others mentioned), since all of the players are professionals and getting to know better and better. The only problem is who can replace him, how much will it cost...etc etc which is management role. The club managed to change DD after returning us to Serie A, so this will be piece of cake

We are just helping the evaluation process The decision will not be ours (as always).

you know what, you are total idiot. You don't understand anything about football, coaching players, even after your 90 something post .And half of them were against coach.

no one told you this before as some of us in here are polite , but me as an Balkan boy i can say..You are talking out of your arse and you are real fool.

so put this into your pipe and smoke it..
Go and support your Vardar.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Dude, they weren't flops, they are great players, they just were not given chances.