Should Ranieri Stay or Go? (Part 2) (8 Viewers)

[Snoop]

It is the right time! Blame referees and all you want, but Ranieri presence is negative to this team, he is doing NOTHING! You are telling me are we Inter to change coaches every year? but you want him out at the end of the season, so aren't you asking him out within a year? no difference, now or at the end of the year. the sooner the better.

If Lippi won't take this team if we ask him now, then fuck him, find someone else, Lippi is the right man, but we can't act with Lippi's wish. I had these conversation with a lot of you, but the number is decreasing day by day, everyone realized that Ranieri's presence doesn't mean anything to this club, I would even dare to put an amateur until we sign the right man,you think the man who will replace him can do worse than him? to do worse than gaining one point in three matches? I don't think so.

 

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[Azzurri7]

I'm really tired, i'll reply to you tomorrow....but anyway each one to his own.

Thank god, none of this will happen and he'll remain till the end of the season.

 

[Snoop]

yeah big thanks to our board, they rock!

 

[Alen]

Inter gained 2 points in last 3 matches, which isn't much better than what we did. And Inter's squad is supposed to be much better than ours.

If we can find a good coach in March, then sure, fire him.
If we can't find someone good and available, then there's no use to fire him now.
And since we won't find anyone, then leave him be.

 

[Stephan]

I am also starting to think now is the time.

I know some people (even the neutrals from other forums) say that this juve just doesnt have good enough players. But imo a great coach can bring that confidence whats needed. Heck viola was missing their best striker today.

And i think signing Lippi or Mourinho would also bring the confidence, the winners attitude. Thats really something i think Ranieri is missing. Lets just look at his chelsea career, he didnt won anything there, ok league can be hard, but not even cup competitions. One fa cup final, and also lost there.
Even Vialli, a guy who was still in his coaching shoes at the time was more successful, in fact 5 trophys:

* FA Cup: 96-97 (as a player), 99-00
* League Cup: 97-98
* UEFA Cup Winners' Cup 97-98
* European Super Cup: 98
* FA Charity Shield: 2000

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I think we made a mistake when we thought we need new begining and not take Lippi. Imo right now was the time when we needed instant success(i dont mean trophys here), getting back to the right direction. We can experiment later when we are already in CL and we are already growing as a team again. Then we can bring someone young (like Vialli for example). But right now we needed/need a manager who can bring instant success, that rhythm, that confidence, that you have a manager who will 90% guarantee already by his previous success that you`ll finish in top 4.

Ranieri is just another manager, not something what we need.

And i repeat myself, sure some would say, why Lippi again, but a coach like Lippi would add team confidence and winning mentality. Ranieri doesnt have those things.

So now we must all pray we get to CL.

Dont worry if we finish 4th and have to play in the preliminary rounds before. Atleast we have a chance and some good players might join us. But if viola and milan finish ahead of us, then we are competing in the market against the samps and livornos of this world.

 

[Snoop]

yeah! you are right, you won the argument, Inter's case is exactly ours. They are in desperate for points, Playing against the likes of Roma, Sampdoria and napoli, is no different than Reggina Torino Fiorentina. They are struggling like us to make the CL spot, not to forget they are playing with Liverpool with these matches. Good fucking point Alen.. They should fire Mancini!

 

[Alen]

They have 6 points more than Roma, we have 5 points more than Milan, genius.
They do need the points actually.

And if we gained 1, even 2 points against Napoli, Sampdoria and Roma you'd have still asked for Ranieri's head and you'd keep telling us how it's a disaster.

Reggina and Torino are fighting against relegation, Sampdoria and Napoli fight for nothing. You're sure Inter's matches were harder ?

Oh, and lets not forget what did the ref do to us in Reggio and what did the ref do on Inter-Roma.
And Liverpool was before these 3 matches, while the return leg is in 10 days.

What i'm telling you is that every single team, no matter how good they are, have these winless streaks. This is our first one this season. Inter have it at the same time, Fiorentina had a 5 match winless streak, Milan had the streak twice this season.
We had 5 draws in a row with Capello and we risked losing the sure scudetto two years ago,
Let all the teams in serie A fire their coaches after failing to win in 3 straight matches.

I'm all for replacing Ranieri, but not because no other coach can win only 1 point in 3 matches and no other coach can do worse than Ranieri.

Unless we're talking about a big name like Lippi or Mourinho, replacing Ranieri in March will be a suicide.

 

[C4ISR]

I reserve judgement until the end of the season. We are still 3rd place, exactly where we were b4 this loss. The main goal has always been to get into the CL, and if Ranieri succeeds, he has done his job. With that said, DD got the job done as well, and we all know what happened there.

U obviously dont pass on the opportunity of Lippi or Mourinho, but unless we have some1 better lined up, I wont ditch him just because I dont agree with his coaching. Also, some of u r calling for Prandelli. We have equal wins, but Prandelli's squad has 1 more loss. His football may be pretty (although we have 6 more goals for than Fiorentina), but as far as results go, there is nothing significant between Ranieri and Prandelli.

1 thing is for certain, firing him now is the worst possible decision u could make. Ranieri did the same thing today that he did vs Roma in terms of defending a lead, yet there wasn't nearly as large of an outroar than.

 

[gsol]

I’m all for putting cyanide in his espresso tomorrow morning but I’m afraid of who the band aid solution will be. Mid-season coaches are rarely long-term and I don’t want the team subjected to a new system just to drop it in June when a more permanent replacement shows up. Tough it out for the next 3 months and hope for the best. I hate Ranieri by now but who would step in and help out with only 12 games left? I say keep the prick until we are mathematically in or out of the CL then kick is ass out.

 

[Enron]

You guys should keep him til the end of the season. If only to have time to line up a much better replacement. You don't want to be hasty in replacing him so you don't get someone worse.

 

[Stephan]

What is scary, is that if we make it to the CL, ranieri will get extended most likely. Cause the board cant boss around with a manager like Mourinho in charge.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Should we wait until we are out of the top 4 to replace him? (rhetorical question) We obviously won't get a Lippi or a Mourinho now, but there must be someone who can fill in until the end of the season. But who?

 

[Stephan]

lets just think now, what if we dont make it this year, will Buffon, Trez, Camo, Zanetti be interested of playing here more, if you could play in a club what takes part of CL and can guarantee success.

 

[Albertmare]

most of our players are midtable players, too.

So Ranieri should be a Lowtable Coach then , LOL .

I'm tired of this , the best option is Fire him NOW , but i do agree with someone if we can't find a good replacement , we better keep him until the end of the season which could make us more crazy week after week and face a possibility leak out from CL spot .

Yaaah , as loud as we can scream out here , still we can't fix that shit because the current board only competent to moaning and complaining about the facking referees while they has failed by itself for took this idiot Coach to our club from the beginning .

 

[Snoop]

They have 6 points more than Roma, we have 5 points more than Milan, genius.
They do need the points actually.

And if we gained 1, even 2 points against Napoli, Sampdoria and Roma you'd have still asked for Ranieri's head and you'd keep telling us how it's a disaster.

Ofcourse, I have personal issues with him, he raped my mom when I was two, then killed my father, and I grew up poor because of that, this is why I hate him so much. I am making all these out of my ass, and most of the forum members think like me because they have sympathy towards my family..

Reggina and Torino are fighting against relegation, Sampdoria and Napoli fight for nothing. You're sure Inter's matches were harder ?

Oh, and lets not forget what did the ref do to us in Reggio and what did the ref do on Inter-Roma.
And Liverpool was before these 3 matches, while the return leg is in 10 days.

Not even he came with lame excuses like these

What i'm telling you is that every single team, no matter how good they are, have these winless streaks. This is our first one this season.

Stop selling me these crap. I didn't turn against Ranieri because of this 1 point in 3 matches. what is happening now didn't happen suddenly, our champions were saving Ranieri's ass week in week out, everyone were counting excuses then and coming to me with "We won, what could you want any more than that" bullshit, you and others were telling me results is good back then, now you are coming with this crap?? so if we lose against relegation battler teams , then it is acceptable?? are you seriously believing that crap?? oh, and This is not the first time we are struggling, seems you forgot this..

12 Jan, 19:30 Catania 1 - 1 Juventus
20 Jan, 14:00 Juventus 0 - 0 Sampdoria
23 Jan, 20:00 Internazionale 2 - 2 Juventus
27 Jan, 19:30 Livorno 1 - 3 Juventus
30 Jan, 20:00 Juventus 2 - 3 Internazionale
3 Feb, 14:00 Juventus 1 - 1 Cagliari

So it is not really the first time, "genius"!

 

[Alen]

Such a shame we've beaten Livorno, ha Snoop ?
Because your argument would have been much stronger and you'd have had another reason to attack the big bad Ranieri. And it was a nice move to add the Coppa matches there.
We should have lost that match against Livorno and we should lose all our remaining matches just so you'd be right at the end and we'll fire Ranieri. Who cares about Juve ? It's important you to be right at the end and Ranieri to be fired.

Give the solution for once, will you ? Give a name, give a reason why that name will do better than Ranieri.
I, and everyone here actually said that WE WANT HIM OUT, but not for the sake of it. I don't want him out and replaced by Anonimo Anonimi whose greatest success was keeping Albinoleffe out of relegation zone in serie B.
Are there available coaches better than Ranieri willing to accept the job in March ?
Is it smart to bring a total outsider, who's not a world class coach, at this delicate moment where we aren't allowed to make mistakes while the new coach is getting to know the players ?

If there are then replace Ranieri ASAP, but what are we going to do if there aren't such coaches ?
It's easy to whine like an Interista before Calciopoli and scream Fire him, fire him but it's a little harder to do than say.

 

[Snoop]

Such a shame we've beaten Livorno, ha Snoop ?
Because your argument would have been much stronger and you'd have had another reason to attack the big bad Ranieri. And it was a nice move to add the Coppa matches there.
We should have lost that match against Livorno and we should lose all our remaining matches just so you'd be right at the end and we'll fire Ranieri. Who cares about Juve ? It's important you to be right at the end and Ranieri to be fired.

Should I reply this non-sense?

Give the solution for once, will you ? Give a name, give a reason why that name will do better than Ranieri.
I, and everyone here actually said that WE WANT HIM OUT, but not for the sake of it. I don't want him out and replaced by Anonimo Anonimi whose greatest success was keeping Albinoleffe out of relegation zone in serie B.
Are there available coaches better than Ranieri willing to accept the job in March ?
Is it smart to bring a total outsider, who's not a world class coach, at this delicate moment where we aren't allowed to make mistakes while the new coach is getting to know the players ?

So I am asking Ranieri out for the sake of it? so you still think he is not ruining the tactics or we are not losing points because of his subs? take that as a reason, the next manager will come will not take all creative players out and play with 4 defenders at back and 3 destroyers at midfield. how is that? If this team has the potential to lead 2-1 against Fiorentina, Sampdoria, and every fucking match we lost points because of Ranieri's subs, then it means that Ranieri has the squad to beat these teams, and it is his fault not to keep those scores up, any other regular manager would see that. I love the career example you gave me btw, to ask you, WHAT DID RANIERI ACHIEVE BEFORE COMING TO JUVE? where he will go once he gets sacked?

If there are then replace Ranieri ASAP, but what are we going to do if there aren't such coaches ?
It's easy to whine like an Interista before Calciopoli and scream Fire him, fire him but it's a little harder to do than say.

Me acting like an Interista? lol yeah right, it's me who is blaming the referees everytime we lose, or find excuses just like Mancini used to find, remember that thread we made fun of what Mancini gave excuses each time he lost points, you are not acting any different. you still don't get it do you. If I would think like an Interista, I would quit supporting this club the time we went to serie b, I will not go and prove my self to you, you are just acting like a kid, keep on calling me names, find someone else to argue this non-sense..

 

[Morra10]

If I could change my vote to number 4 I would.....

 

[X Æ A-12]

Get rid of Succo first. He spent all of my Juve membership money on Sissoko and now I'm pissed!

 

[Albertmare]

Get rid of Succo first. He spent all of my Juve membership money on Sissoko and now I'm pissed!

NO , Ranieri first because he has a direct responsibility to our bad results lately , actually that's not all about the result only , but he's definitely not our material , Bias all time with players , made such an idiot comments , Disgusting game tactic and bad Substitution and so on , the rest , call by yourself .

Jeeezz . . He ruined My JUVENTUS