It still is not the question initially asked by the research so it's 100% interpretation
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Of course it is. This wasn't even the point of my comment. I said I have a problem with the data and i explained why, then i said BUT IF we take it the way it is (assuming i have no problem with its collection process), it suggests that unlike what some people say cops are no more afraid of blacks than non-blacks. And you are arguing with me in one full page that you don't think cops are more afraid of blacks and insist that i said the opposite.
This is the full paper:
http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399.pdf
As I suspected:
"In particular, given the narrative accounts, I create a dichotomous variable that is equal to one if a police officer reports that she (he) shoots a suspect before they are attacked and zero if they report shooting the suspect after being attacked. These data are available for Houston as well as the other nine locations where we collected OIS data. An important caveat to these data is that the sequence of events in a police-civilian interaction is subject to misreporting by police. Thus, the dependent variable is subjective."
I'm very happy you shared this. The results of this research are interesting despite its limitations. The less limited part of the data suggests that there is a significant discrimination in terms of the force used on blacks versus whites, even when controlling for how much they resist and many other potential confounds (most importantly whether the incident happened in a low or high crime area), meaning even if a black person complies, he/she is more likely to experience non-lethal force. Right, it's not about shooting, but it has an important lesson for those who, in this very thread, said blacks should learn how to behave when confronted with the police. This data says compliance cannot fully explain the existing discrimination in police treatment of blacks, nor can the area in which the incident occurred. So before "god bless the police" perhaps you should ask why this is so? This is likely resulting in a lack of trust in blacks towards the police, which I think is an important factor in explaining why blacks are far more likely to see the police as their enemy. Perhaps it's good to admit that there's a problem that is not related to blacks culture, perhaps it's good to listen to what the black community is upset about with compassion not with ridicule and blame and help them rebuild the trust for the police and for the system.
The second part of the results is also interesting, although it's only based on police officers' reports and is likely to be biased (as admitted by the researcher). What he concludes is that cops are also utility maximizers. They are aware of the consequences of shooting a civilian (even if they are not convicted ultimately). In other words, a racist cop won't shoot, but he/she will insult and abuse power.
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This is another interesting research that has studied police shooting. It doesn't have Fryer's paper's biases but has its own important limitations/biases.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854
"The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average. There is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates."
http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399.pdf
As I suspected:
"In particular, given the narrative accounts, I create a dichotomous variable that is equal to one if a police officer reports that she (he) shoots a suspect before they are attacked and zero if they report shooting the suspect after being attacked. These data are available for Houston as well as the other nine locations where we collected OIS data. An important caveat to these data is that the sequence of events in a police-civilian interaction is subject to misreporting by police. Thus, the dependent variable is subjective."
I'm very happy you shared this. The results of this research are interesting despite its limitations. The less limited part of the data suggests that there is a significant discrimination in terms of the force used on blacks versus whites, even when controlling for how much they resist and many other potential confounds (most importantly whether the incident happened in a low or high crime area), meaning even if a black person complies, he/she is more likely to experience non-lethal force. Right, it's not about shooting, but it has an important lesson for those who, in this very thread, said blacks should learn how to behave when confronted with the police. This data says compliance cannot fully explain the existing discrimination in police treatment of blacks, nor can the area in which the incident occurred. So before "god bless the police" perhaps you should ask why this is so? This is likely resulting in a lack of trust in blacks towards the police, which I think is an important factor in explaining why blacks are far more likely to see the police as their enemy. Perhaps it's good to admit that there's a problem that is not related to blacks culture, perhaps it's good to listen to what the black community is upset about with compassion not with ridicule and blame and help them rebuild the trust for the police and for the system.
The second part of the results is also interesting, although it's only based on police officers' reports and is likely to be biased (as admitted by the researcher). What he concludes is that cops are also utility maximizers. They are aware of the consequences of shooting a civilian (even if they are not convicted ultimately). In other words, a racist cop won't shoot, but he/she will insult and abuse power.
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This is another interesting research that has studied police shooting. It doesn't have Fryer's paper's biases but has its own important limitations/biases.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854
"The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average. There is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates."
Nah in Europe Muslims are experiencing a youth bulge, but yes europe is closer therefore with more established biases and less room for dialogue
As a corps, considering the threats, id say they are pretty competent. There's always room for improvement but the way they are being painted is beyond ridiculous.
As a corps, considering the threats, id say they are pretty competent. There's always room for improvement but the way they are being painted is beyond ridiculous.
Well, I can't speak for the corps as a whole. If I were to guess, I'd assume the big majority is very qualified.
But what annoys me about the BLM countermovement is that it says racism should not be focused on. It's like the pro gun lobby immediately buying headlines to say the problem is mental illness.
But what annoys me about the BLM countermovement is that it says racism should not be focused on. It's like the pro gun lobby immediately buying headlines to say the problem is mental illness.
Don Lemon 
BLM openly call for the killing of cops but they're apparently peaceful and not hateful
US Media pusing for a race war
BLM openly call for the killing of cops but they're apparently peaceful and not hateful
US Media pusing for a race war
Here you have a black man elitist trying everything he can to shut down a sheriff schooling him to the point he does what all liberal do, begins to belittle and talk down to you. The sheriff, an expert in the field mind you, has experience and years of knowledge. Don on the other hand can't even denounce the hateful rhetoric
Don Lemon was absolutely crushed by this Sheriff
Here you have a black man elitist trying everything he can to shut down a sheriff schooling him to the point he does what all liberal do, begins to belittle and talk down to you. The sheriff, an expert in the field mind you, has experience and years of knowledge. Don on the other hand can't even denounce the hateful rhetoric
Here you have a black man elitist trying everything he can to shut down a sheriff schooling him to the point he does what all liberal do, begins to belittle and talk down to you. The sheriff, an expert in the field mind you, has experience and years of knowledge. Don on the other hand can't even denounce the hateful rhetoric