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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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The officer will take extra caution and is more alert to suspect movement.
So if you cooperate and are friendly towards the officer, you get the same treatment.


The mistake you make is thinking cops shoot people for fun.
In reality, they all hope they never have to. There are entire procedure to cope with the trauma of shooting/killing a person.

A fine gentleman of the law shoots to defend his life, not cause he wants to kill a black man.


Have you ever had a situation where you feared/realised you could die ? Or might be in danger ?


You need to have had it to understand
I don't think cops shoot people for fun. I think that particular cop was very badly trained, didn't follow protocol, acted very irresponsibly and shouldn't have been a police officer to begin with.
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
84,750
I don't think cops shoot people for fun.
Seriously. Not to sound insensitive, but cops even passionately detest denting their vehicles. The paperwork and reporting involved is a complete headache. That says nothing of what happens in even non-lethal altercations of subduing a suspect ... departments get sucked into community meetings where they have to listen to every crackpot in the county bitch about police and how they gave them a speeding ticket unjustly three years ago. This is what really happens from the perspective of most cops.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
While i was working as a security patroll agent (not law enforcement, and we didnt carry, we only had a mag-lite, which are those long torches).

I've allready had done a few interventions, and i'm not easily spooked. One time i had one in Asse, in a business park, some alarm had went off. So inspect the place from the outside, seemed fine. Enter trough the door, check the place out, seemed all fine, wanted to call in as i suddenly feel an odd breeze in my neck (i was inside, no airco on).

I turn around and see a small door leading outside beeing open and you could immediatly see it was forced open.


That instant surge of fear you get realising you are in a crime scene (and this is just some theft), and potentially in danger, i'll never forget that (we did had alot of security agents beeing knocked down while investigating alarms that year).
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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When it concerns the person who may well be the next President, I think it's a pretty big deal.
No it doesn't. Even her party opponent, Bernie Sanders, pleaded "Enough with the damn emails already" early on in their debates. If we're electing our next president on the basis of their demonstrated capabilities at securing email servers, we're even more fucked.
 

Ronn

Mes Que Un Club
May 3, 2012
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campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
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Can't quite guess why regular citizens (I can understand why this is an obsession for the GOP) are so hung up over emails, when there are so many important issues to tackle first.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Nothing but venting, all people need is outlets to vent, nobody cares about anything that doesn't directly affect them, they just need any damn excuse to let out their existential frustrations, nobody wants to really understand what's going even less so to come up with viable fixes, no let's just be petty and criticize, blame our misfortune on the man and propose untenable solutions to sound decent and empathic, when the truth is they are all just a bunch of losers with the iq of a lamp post.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
Nothing but venting, all people need is outlets to vent, nobody cares about anything that doesn't directly affect them, they just need any damn excuse to let out their existential frustrations, nobody wants to really understand what's going even less so to come up with viable fixes, no let's just be petty and criticize, blame our misfortune on the man and propose untenable solutions to sound decent and empathic, when the truth is they are all just a bunch of losers with the iq of a lamp post.
Are you blaming individualism?
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
It depends. Are you in law enforcement? It's hard to say what the threat looked like at the time, at least for some of the famous ones.
Watch this Andy if you haven't. She nails it.

[video=facebook;10208712158314077]https://www.facebook.com/nakiajonesproductions/videos/10208712158314077/[/video]
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,986
That is exactly the problem here. In now way does something like this warrant being shot.

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In most cases, they won't.
Again, it depends on the situation. I won't say all cops are innocent here; some have made grave mistakes. But you're acting like 10 million people died from this or something. Most of the time, these folks are up to no good.

Libertarian freedom-crazy users advocating police state :disagree: smh
How am I defending the police state by saying you shouldn't act like a threat around cops? Even if they're in the wrong by the small chance that exists, it doesn't make sense to resist unless you are already breaking the law, which is what the vast majority of these thugs are doing in the first place.

No it doesn't. Even her party opponent, Bernie Sanders, pleaded "Enough with the damn emails already" early on in their debates. If we're electing our next president on the basis of their demonstrated capabilities at securing email servers, we're even more $#@!ed.
Who gives a fuck what he has to say? He's a complete twit. If you are unable to maintain a top secret security clearance, you should automatically be disqualified from being President. What we have here is one set of rules for the elite and another for everyone else, which is the first sign we are now a third world country.

Considering we have already elected one with an email scandal.
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1610414,00.html
So you'll vote for Hillary just because Bush did something wrong? You are the reason why this country is a joke now.

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Watch this Andy if you haven't. She nails it.

[video=facebook;10208712158314077]https://www.facebook.com/nakiajonesproductions/videos/10208712158314077/[/video]

I agree with a lot of what she said. But once again, she's under the premise that a lot of these shootings are based on racism. Instead, that is the easy excuse. Much of the time at least some law was broken. Even the Baltimore incident had a majority of black cops involved with the death.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,757
The police in my country face much more of a threat than American police, and even our backward, corrupted, incompetent (way less training) police don't do this kinda shit
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
I agree with a lot of what she said. But once again, she's under the premise that a lot of these shootings are based on racism. Instead, that is the easy excuse. Much of the time at least some law was broken. Even the Baltimore incident had a majority of black cops involved with the death.
Your "are you in law enforcement" argument doesn't apply to her though, so you now need to say something else for the heck of it. Where in this video does she say or even imply that a lot of these shootings are based on racism? You are an individual definitely with an above average IQ, you don't need a preconceived belief to inform your judgments all the time, that's dumb and lazy. You can see the videos for yourself, why do you have to always say the same thing regardless of the situation and what you see? Just as an example, where in Eric Garner's case did a "threat" to the officers exist? These last two cases also, especially the one with the guy who had his family with him in the car are police incompetence to say the least. Why should be anyone okay with that and look for ways to justify that? I mean what do some folks in the US expect to lose in this by admitting the wrong?
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,986
But Andy. Police are rarely convicted, when they go full retard on a citizen (here they don't). And they always cover up, if some cop goes full retard.
And that is a problem in some instances. But even in the Baltimore case, the mayor and DA were both so passionate and sure about a conviction that it didn't happen because the evidence wasn't there. The police picked up the individual in question because he was breaking the law, something he could have prevented in the first place. Although, he did have something like 20 criminal convictions prior to that, so perhaps it was just his nature. There's no evidence as to what occurred in the police transport.

So the conclusion here is this: stop breaking the law and chances are you will not be shot or killed by police. The whole BLM movement is just another example of how mentally ill this country has become. Instead of fixing the cultural issues the run rampant in various communities, they blame the police who apparently killed less than the number of people who die from bee stings each year -- and that figure includes those breaking the law to begin with. Essentially, the actions of these people are not important, which is similar to a childlike mentality where they have to be rewarded for good behavior. What, Chicago had something like two fucking THOUSAND shootings in the past year from criminals breaking the law, much of which was black on black violence? Yet the cops are solely to blame? Give me a break.

Until folks start taking responsibility for their own actions, this whole discussion is a complete waste of time.

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Your "are you in law enforcement" argument doesn't apply to her though, so you now need to say something else for the heck of it. Where in this video does she say or even imply that a lot of these shootings are based on racism? You are an individual definitely with an above average IQ, you don't need a preconceived belief to inform your judgments all the time, that's dumb and lazy. You can see the videos for yourself, why do you have to always say the same thing regardless of the situation and what you see? Just as an example, where in Eric Garner's case did a "threat" to the officers exist? These last two cases also, especially the one with the guy who had his family with him in the car are police incompetence to say the least. Why should be anyone okay with that and look for ways to justify that? I mean what do some folks in the US expect to lose in this by admitting the wrong?

Like I said before, those in the police that have no probable cause to discharge their firearms should face punishment. Those cases definitely do exist, but they appear to be a minority. Of course if you have a passion for hating a particular group of people you patrol, you probably shouldn't have the job.

On the grand scheme of things, how big of an issue is this, really? Take Chicago for example. 2000 shootings by citizens, or 200 or so across the country by police?
 

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