[Serie A] Parma 1-2 JUVENTUS (January 6th, 2010) (3 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

Who is Diego getting so much hatred?

I don't get it, if he's not getting balls up front and if he's the one that should change his position, go back to tackle and pick up balls and run up front again, then I have no idea why we signed that guy in the first place.

How can he do anything when there are 7 players behind him that can't pass? None from our midfield is a great passer. Not Tiago, Poulsen, Sissoko, Melo and not even Marchisio. I guess he's not really happy when he sees Grosso on the left, or even Caceres. One thing is for sure too, he surely isn't getting any long balls from Chiellini and co.

I'm not saying we should bow to Diego but it's not all his fault.
He's actually the only one in team that can make some fucking difference out there but there should be someone next to him, or behind. He used to play good when we played 4-2-3-1, when he had both Giovinco and Camo next to him. It worked, at least for a while. It should be taken under consideration that they have never played like that before but yet we saw some football and not this crap where we don't know know what to do with the ball. By saying that, I also don't know why Giovinco is getting more chances. It's so pathetic that we have no idea what are we doing with our squad, injured or not. By saying that I have no idea why are we only linked with dozens of DMs. And by saying that, and looking at our play, I have no clue what is Ferrara trying to do.

 

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[blondu]

that's why a 4-3-1-2 can't work because those 3 are clueless when it's about attacking (cuz those 3 are almost all the time dm's)..we need another formation to involve true cm's like camo, sali, or marchisio.

 

[solo JUVE.....!]

Maybe Diego is good enough to put balls up front,but he simply can't do it all by himself in our fucking 4-3-1-2 especially. He is completely neutralized in that formation, n when he's under pressure he usually blows it. This is why ppl blame him.
tbh he's the only one who has great talents in playmaking n I admire his passing skills.We even can depend on his free-kicks. But all of these advantages come when everything's good n team is in good condition. When we had some bad moments he performs worse n even worse instead of staying strong n helping the team...

 

[IrishZebra]

Is Gio fit? because we can play 4-4-2 with two side midfielders if he is

 

[JBF]

Seba is always fit, yet rarely plays. :depressed

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Who is Diego getting so much hatred?

Where is Diego getting a lot of hatred?

 

[Bjerknes]

Jeez man, where did I say I'd bench Diego and play both Brazzo & DC? I do not think you're reading what I posted but you're reading what you want to read. So that you're able to give an easy & hostile (by the sounds of it) answer.

I am still not sure that reverting back to the 4-4-2 is the way to go (how could anyone), but let's not deny the obvious advantages of that formation.


Not sure what you meant by backwards.
Our last 2 seasons were a (pretty big) succes. This one isn't. I'd say we've already gone backwards.

I didn't intend to be hostile. It's just incredibly frustrating that nothing appears to work, and without Gio and Camo on the wings in the 4-4-2, that doesn't seem promising at all either.

It just makes no sense to me to use a formation that doesn't suit the players we have. Folks are claiming that the 4-3-1-2 is complicated, but it really isn't, nor is the 4-2-3-1. Complicated formations are the likes of the 4-3-3 or 3-5-2, IMO. The 4-2-3-1 is what the team is probably best suited for when some of our strikers are unfit, a formation that is pretty self-explanatory when it comes to player roles. The only confusion that might occur is if the three attacking midfielders are allowed to roam and interchange, possibly making the team susceptible to counter-attacks.

So I don't really agree that the straight 4-4-2 is much more simpler. It is simpler, but just by a small margin, and shouldn't make much difference to skillful players like Diego and Giovinco.

best plan ever.

Sad thing is that gazzetta is convinced dc and brazzo will play (though together with Diego).

Brazzo at least has a chance of pulling something out of his hat unexpectedly, but still, our wings would be so poor there is no incentive to field those two out wide.

 

[Bjerknes]

Who is Diego getting so much hatred?

I don't get it, if he's not getting balls up front and if he's the one that should change his position, go back to tackle and pick up balls and run up front again, then I have no idea why we signed that guy in the first place.

How can he do anything when there are 7 players behind him that can't pass? None from our midfield is a great passer. Not Tiago, Poulsen, Sissoko, Melo and not even Marchisio. I guess he's not really happy when he sees Grosso on the left, or even Caceres. One thing is for sure too, he surely isn't getting any long balls from Chiellini and co.

I'm not saying we should bow to Diego but it's not all his fault.
He's actually the only one in team that can make some fucking difference out there but there should be someone next to him, or behind. He used to play good when we played 4-2-3-1, when he had both Giovinco and Camo next to him. It worked, at least for a while. It should be taken under consideration that they have never played like that before but yet we saw some football and not this crap where we don't know know what to do with the ball. By saying that, I also don't know why Giovinco is getting more chances. It's so pathetic that we have no idea what are we doing with our squad, injured or not. By saying that I have no idea why are we only linked with dozens of DMs. And by saying that, and looking at our play, I have no clue what is Ferrara trying to do.

Good post, totally spot on, Dusan.

The fact we don't have a trequartista behind Diego really puts strain on him, and needs to be addressed. So therefore, looking at the team, we need to compensate for that by having three good attacking midfielders so we have enough outlets for the central midfielders, which as you said did work in the past. Using the 4-3-1-2 with three non-creative central midfielders behind Diego has not worked and probably won't unless we get some passers in there.

It's actually very simple. Right now the 4-2-3-1 with Seba and Diego is the way to go, especially with Del Piero out of sorts.

 

[PrimeAbuse]

Witty.

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[Dostoevsky]

Good post, totally spot on, Dusan.

The fact we don't have a trequartista behind Diego really puts strain on him, and needs to be addressed. So therefore, looking at the team, we need to compensate for that by having three good attacking midfielders so we have enough outlets for the central midfielders, which as you said did work in the past. Using the 4-3-1-2 with three non-creative central midfielders behind Diego has not worked and probably won't unless we get some passers in there.

Where is Diego getting a lot of hatred?

I was only referring to this thread but it's all over the forum. It's not like people hate his guts but he's receiving a lot of unfair criticism.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I was only referring to this thread but it's all over the forum. It's not like people hate his guts but he's receiving a lot of unfair criticism.

When things are going as terrible as right now, pretty much every player will get criticism. Some of it deserved, some of it undeserved. I do not think Diego has gotten more criticism than our other players.
In fact, in this thread I have seen no criticism towards Diego at all. Just a bunch of people suggesting new formations / tactics and (/or) pointing out the obvious current problems.

 

[Dostoevsky]

When things are going as terrible as right now, pretty much every player will get criticism. Some of it deserved, some of it undeserved. I do not think Diego has gotten more criticism than our other players.
In fact, in this thread I have seen no criticism towards Diego at all. Just a bunch of people suggesting new formations / tactics and (/or) pointing out the obvious current problems.

I said it's not in this thread, I didn't even follow much around here. I know when there's a live match thread in the action and after, I know I've seen some but it's not even important I guess.

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Oh and Andrew, sorry but I couldn't agree with the last thing you said.

Right now the 4-2-3-1 with Seba and Diego is the way to go, especially with Del Piero out of sorts.

I had to go shower but here.

That formation would add some action and it'd be good for many of our players IMO, but the bigger part wouldn't fit in I'm afraid. We have mediocre fullbacks and they are killing it the big time. Grosso, well I don't think I should describe how I see him yet again. Caceres seems inconsistent and we lack crossing from the right side, it's usually Grosso who does that but I don't like it. Another thing is that, at least right now, Melo/Sissoko can't contribute much. Too many mistakes for that position that kills our play, our players aren't fast so it's coming deadly for us. Also, the style we play, sucks for that formation because our players act like it's 4-4-2, it's too slow. That formation goes live when you play a bit faster football and much more aggressive, which we obviously can't.
I'm not even going to mention the fact that Camo is out so our right side would be like a black hole. Playing Immobile there or some other kid wouldn't really help us, even though I have high hopes for them.

That's one thing. And here's another, regarding going back to 4-4-2. I see some members want it back, Ciro is trying it out and even some of our players are suggesting it. Sure, they know more than I do but is that really the right thing to do? I mean, are they aware this is not pre-calciopoli, are they aware we sold so many players that 'knew' how to play it? Sure, Del Piero and the rest of our strikers know what to do. Even our defense, I'm sure Grosso would settle too. But the connecting and most vital part of our team, midfield, knows shit about it I'm afraid. Who can really make any drastic change? Sissoko and Melo? I doubt, their job wouldn't be much different. Marchisio never even played it here, Giovinco on the left might fail, if it's strict 4-4-2, I don't really like when he has that role. What else? Marchisio on the right? Yes, that's going to save us...not. I guess I don't even have to mention that Ciro never coaches any team with it. If you say that our veterans are going to teach them, then it's just a matter of how many goals are we going to concede from Parma and lose points.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I was only referring to this thread but it's all over the forum. It's not like people hate his guts but he's receiving a lot of unfair criticism.

My bad (yours actually ), I was reading quickly and immediately responded. I now see you were talking a bit more in general.

I'm not gonna bother anymore with the formations, because we don't really know enough anyway & I've said what I wanted to say, but one last thing: Marchisio has been playing in a 4-4-2 for the biggest part of professional his career, so I don't see where that would be a problem.

 

[Dostoevsky]

My bad (yours actually ), I was reading quickly and immediately responded. I now see you were talking a bit more in general.

I'm not gonna bother anymore with the formations, because we don't really know enough anyway & I've said what I wanted to say, but one last thing: Marchisio has been playing in a 4-4-2 for the biggest part of professional his career, so I don't see where that would be a problem.

Sorry, I was all pumped and wet. I wanted to type fast and hit the shower and at the time you'll be reading this you will imagine me wet so you'll forget how I screwed up.

As for bold part, he was playing on the right side?

I don't want to rely on Salihamidzic now really. I don't see how can that help us.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Sorry, I was all pumped and wet. I wanted to type fast and hit the shower and at the time you'll be reading this you will imagine me wet so you'll forget how I screwed up.

As for bold part, he was playing on the right side?

I don't want to rely on Salihamidzic now really. I don't see how can that help us.

Too true.


And no, Marchisio was & is obviously a central player. But before you said something about playing him on the right you made it sound as if he hasn't played before in the 442, hence my confusion.

 

[Ken]

Finally.. tomorrow is match day. It's been too long.

 

[JBF]

Hope we put on a good show.

 

[donpiero]

Buying D'Agostino in jan, might fix a lot of our problems

 

[Dostoevsky]

Buying D'Agostino in jan, might fix a lot of our problems

How? Would we play 4-3-1-2?

If so we'd still be weak on the flanks and we'd probably count on selling Giovinco because he wouldn't be playing.

4-2-3-1?

We'd have too many players on that position, same goes with 4-4-2.

We need to settle with a formation and a new coach before buying anyone.

 

[donpiero]

The Giovinco situation is very sad, he's not getting any proper play at this team no matter what formation, it's sad to say it but his talent is being wasted here he's better of to team like arsenal.
When i sad d'agostino i was thinking of our default 4-3-1-2 formation and the fact that he can link melo and diego, that's what messing everything up in this team i think.