[Serie A] Palermo - Juventus (3 Viewers)

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I never liked Montella however he seems to be better than Trezeguet, this season at least. In any other season Trezeguet has been the better goalscorer. Montella is extremely lucky to have the two best Italian attackers play next to him, Totti and Cassano of course. If Trezeguet had these players to work with he would score 30 goals a season.

Andy, you have GolTV now, so you can watch some of Roma's matches.

Montella can make something out of nothing, unlike Trez, and Zlatan as of late

 

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[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


Andy, you have GolTV now, so you can watch some of Roma's matches.

Montella can make something out of nothing, unlike Trez, and Zlatan as of late

Zlatan is our only forward who makes something out of nothing. Please Vinni, Trezeguet would be amazing too if Totti was playing for us.

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Zlatan is our only forward who makes something out of nothing. Please Vinni, Trezeguet would be amazing too if Totti was playing for us.

Maybe your right, but you gotta know that Montella scored over 8goals this season just creating things by himself..

 

[delp_07]

Could you imagine Montella and Del Piero together. That would be amazing considering they played together when they were kids and they played together 2002 when Del Boy took the azzurri to the second round

 

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Maybe your right, but you gotta know that Montella scored over 8goals this season just creating things by himself..

This is what I'm saying.............

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Maybe your right, but you gotta know that Montella scored over 8goals this season just creating things by himself..

Minus the eight he should have scored, and you break even. Montella is no better of a goalscorer than Trezeguet.

 

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Minus the eight he should have scored, and you break even. Montella is no better of a goalscorer than Trezeguet.

I dont know what thats suppose to mean, but Montella is on fire, while Trez is on some serious ice

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


I dont know what thats suppose to mean, but Montella is on fire, while Trez is on some serious ice

Of course Trezeguet is not playing well now; he has no service whatsoever. It would probably be the same story for Montella if he was at Juve right now. Take out Totti and Cassano, and you are not left with much.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

i think he means "montella did not go through 4 months of injury"

 

[Gandalf]

++ [ originally posted by grecul ] ++
I agree 100% that we need a revolution, imo the revolution was needed before this summer.
But its impossible to change the whole roster in a year, so we did changed the half and we did changed the coach too!

Why? Why the managers have seen the need to change not only the players but the coach too?

Because last year we had a general crisis, the problem last year and right now as u said didnt concerned only one player, but a great percentage of the team,
that definately means its not a personal problem,
its impossible for all the players to naturally loose their form exactly at the same time,
its smth bigger,
smth that effects the hole team.
=The head of the team.

I do agree that the head affects the team, however it's not the only thing..

++ [ originally posted by grecul ] ++
I remember last year juve was told campioni d'Italia they werent hungry for another title, the team(defence) couldnt survive the loss of davids,
the pressure was too high, we werent able to win a great team because of the material and mentality maby, but this year there have been some inhangementand-investiment, not in the large scale we wanted(and needed) but good enough for juve standarts, the effect considering the groth of the team isnt what i expected.
The biggest change sould be the coach, a non italian, more agressive coach like deshamp would be great, to give us the power to accelerate, but we have performed only a "facelift"

Has palermo and sampdoria better material than juve?
do they have better conditions, motivation, salary, changes for great things and titles like juve has?
What they have?
tactical superiority, a litle more agressive mentality, ambition and balance.
This is what we need too, who else
other than the coach may offer this now?

I don't think that's the problem.. really.. Lippi, was loved and admired by the whole team.. and yet couldn't motivate the team..!!?? capello, a successful coach with many big teams before us, and yet he cannot motivate the players and make them more aggressive..??!! I don't see how it is relative..

do you think that Guidolin of palermo and Novellino of Sampdoria are better than Capello.. or more aggressive..? well, I don't think so.. I mean that is not a scale.. if these two coaches were coaching two big teams you'll see how they'll screw up.. the mere chance that these "smaller" teams are playing against big sides is a motivation by itself.. the players go wild and aggressive because of the atmosphere and crowd that is behind them.. maybe, that is why Juve don't play that aggressively though, we know how delli alpi's structure is not helping (fans too far away) and the number of fans is pathetically low.. maybe..

and moreover, how could a non-italian be more aggressive..?? well, he may and may not.. but, you contradicted yourself by stating how the two coaches of sampdoria and palermo are more aggressive.. and both are italian..

it's not that Capello lacks some tactical superiority or aggressiveness.. or even motivation.. Juve has produced some good games this season.. and I think they will produce more.. It's just we are going a recession period.. players are exhousted maybe because of the tight schedule.. and because we rely on certain key players that have played almost every match this season.. and so far, we don't have decent backups for them.. and the backups themselves didn't get the chances they needed to blend in the team..

there are many things that affected us badly.. but, hopefully we'll go through them...

 

[Gandalf]

++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
I still maintain Olivera is an average player and i have seen nothing to make me change my mind yet. Moggi was the one who said he was the best young player in the world and i have seen a lot of people put down Rooney on here but to me they are like chalk and cheese in terms of ability.

Yes Zlatan played well when he came on against Sampdoria but he did not score unlike Sheva last night and all this lavish praise of the guy is uncalled for. He has done well and thats the end of it.

Capello has had the luxury of a very sound defence, an addition of a class player like Emerson, a much improved Nedved from last season, a consistent Camoranesiand we still play absolutely awful football but somehow he is the best manager in the world.

I am not that interested in dropping players if they are out of form but not playing players because they are not naturally physically large players is just plain stupid. If you are gonna drop Dp , then the players who are playing have to be much better than he is and so far I cannot say I have seen any of the 2 before him being better than him. His biggest problem is the way we play as launching balls in the air is not useful to him at all and he is not in very good shape anyway. But i guarantee you if he played half as badly as some of the matches i have seen Zlatan play and Trez usually, he would have been subbed before you can say Zala, just because he is not a 6 footer. All the hullaballo to his exclusion would have been irrelevant if we were winning or at least, playing very well but being unlucky but not when we are playing trash.

We are not good enough to be carrying players like Trez week in week out, it would be different if we had players who could open up defences but we do not so Trez too suffers as he is totally incapable of doing anything himself.

I have not given up on the scudetto but we are not the best team in Italy not by a long way

yes, Capello prefers large players.. but DP is not helping himself either.. you ask a coach to change his tactics to fit one player.. one who is way over his prime, and most of the time injured.. how will that help the team..??

about Oliveira, he might not be the best young player in the world.. but he's good.. and I have seen some good matches for him with his national team..

 

[DelpieroForLife]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


:LOL: you still have some faith on m_elayyan

Man this guy is a disaster every post he tell somthing :fool: I'm trying to boost his confidence....

 

[DelpieroForLife]

++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++


Are you originally from Damas or from Homos?

Not that important I'm a Syrian Terrorist and I'm proud of it specially when I talk with u... and U know better than me why I should be

 

[DelpieroForLife]

++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++


yes, Capello prefers large players.. but DP is not helping himself either.. you ask a coach to change his tactics to fit one player.. one who is way over his prime, and most of the time injured.. how will that help the team..??

about Oliveira, he might not be the best young player in the world.. but he's good .. and I have seen some good matches for him with his national team..

Maybe.... but surely not enough to take Neddy's rule in the team....

 

[Gandalf]

if he's good enough to take Nedved's rule then I won't sub him.. I'll play one of them on the left flank and the other in AM position behind the strikers..

at least we'll have a more offensive attack with camo in the right..

 

[DelpieroForLife]

And this is our problem...
I really think Nedved should play behind the two strickers where he used to be more effective, at this position we will get the best of his shooting and passing, Zambro can cover the left flank and he used to do it in the Lippi day and somone like Blasi could cover his back in attacking situation....


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^ Camo
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Zambro


Nedved is a waste on the flank....

 

[DelpieroForLife]

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-------------Neddy------------------
^ ^
^ Camo
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^ <<<< Blasi Emerson
Zambro

 

[DelpieroForLife]

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---------------Neddy------------------
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^ <<<< Blasi--- Emerson
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Zambro

 

[DelpieroForLife]

sh1t ..Finally it works..... Hope I sucessed displaying my point...

 

[Cronios]

++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++

I do agree that the head affects the team, however it's not the only thing..

True.

++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++

I don't think that's the problem.. really.. Lippi, was loved and admired by the whole team.. and yet couldn't motivate the team..!!?? capello, a successful coach with many big teams before us, and yet he cannot motivate the players and make them more aggressive..??!! I don't see how it is relative..

Lippi was loved but the players didnt love another consecutive title, back then they were really exhausted, i dont forgive them now.
Lippi's juve had the heart of the champion, they were fighting till the very end,
what are they doing now? Are you pleased with the impression our team showed in CL even if we winned almost everything? Did they fight?
Do u thing this kind of playing will help us with real and furthermore?
This is u have expected from the beginning of the season?

do you think that Guidolin of palermo and Novellino of Sampdoria are better than Capello.. or more aggressive..? well, I don't think so.. I mean that is not a scale.. if these two coaches were coaching two big teams you'll see how they'll screw up.. the mere chance that these "smaller" teams are playing against big sides is a motivation by itself.. the players go wild and aggressive because of the atmosphere and crowd that is behind them.. maybe, that is why Juve don't play that aggressively though, we know how delli alpi's structure is not helping (fans too far away) and the number of fans is pathetically low.. maybe..

No i dont believe they are better than capello, i believe they are open minded and have a better relationship with their players, understanding of the team and are much less egoists.

++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++

and moreover, how could a non-italian be more aggressive..?? well, he may and may not.. but, you contradicted yourself by stating how the two coaches of sampdoria and palermo are more aggressive.. and both are italian..

it's not that Capello lacks some tactical superiority or aggressiveness.. or even motivation.. Juve has produced some good games this season.. and I think they will produce more.. It's just we are going a recession period.. players are exhousted maybe because of the tight schedule.. and because we rely on certain key players that have played almost every match this season.. and so far, we don't have decent backups for them.. and the backups themselves didn't get the chances they needed to blend in the team..

By the word agression i mean more attacking than this italian 4-4-2,
9 players guard the ball thing, it works nice most of the times for us, but if smth isnt calibrated as it sould the attack will never work.
A smaller team is sometimes forced to attack more cause they cant rely in the eficiency of their def(lecce), others will try guard the ball and take the draw,did u see how beautifull palermo opened their game?All their attacks were so were calibrated and tested, everybody new what to do, everything was working like a clock,
the quality of the team was juves advantage, when we faced real and barcelona back then we had team quality,
today we might have more player quality but not the same concrete teamwork wich helped us to overcome every obstacle.

I believe if deshamp was our coach he would have change us in litle more offensive football, french style, i dont know if it would be better but this is the revolution we needed.

++ [ originally posted by Gandalf ] ++

there are many things that affected us badly.. but, hopefully we'll go through them...

I really hope u are right, i believe capello is a great coach, i believe we have great players in our roster, we def have the potential to do smth but half year later we dont seem to have the balance we sould, the three lines look isolated and the main problem,the attack looks unchanged,
i remember cap's roma scoring so many goals after the 3 consecutive shoot! attacking with 4-5 players at time, this never happened for us.