Serie A: Juventus vs Sampdoria [Jan 20 2008] (12 Viewers)
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@denco-the antics of polombo and his team-mates were an embarrasment,here we have a "hard-man" shaved head,medium build and crazy eyes, rolling about like a poofter every two minutes............
you are right this sort of play-acting should be looked into, t spoils a game and i would personally force anyone play-acting like taht to stay off teh field for at least 5 minutes after the game restarts as punishment.
taht said is there anything coming out to explain ranieri's decision to take off alex?if there was no injury then it was the most foolish decision since hitler thought no-one would notice him invading poland
you are right this sort of play-acting should be looked into, t spoils a game and i would personally force anyone play-acting like taht to stay off teh field for at least 5 minutes after the game restarts as punishment.
taht said is there anything coming out to explain ranieri's decision to take off alex?if there was no injury then it was the most foolish decision since hitler thought no-one would notice him invading poland
Probably he doesn't deserve 7. I myself rated him 5.5, but in football you can't always shut down your opponents, can you? Even Gattuso-Pirlo-Ambrosini combination can't do things perfect at times.
And about Donadoni, of course he's a dunce for not picking Zanetti, what has Pirlo, Ambrosini, De Rossi, Gattuso done more than him? If you're going to tell me that they all performed better than him to deserve Donadoni's call then I don't know If we're watching the same matches.
And about Donadoni, of course he's a dunce for not picking Zanetti, what has Pirlo, Ambrosini, De Rossi, Gattuso done more than him? If you're going to tell me that they all performed better than him to deserve Donadoni's call then I don't know If we're watching the same matches.
You are not seriously suggesting that Zanetti has been better than Pirlo this season are ya? If you think he has then we definitely have been watching different games. Juventus is juventus and the Italian NT is the Italian NT, the fact that a players is doing well for Juventus does not automatically mean he should play for Italy likewise Milan. I dont see the point in calling up Bonera cos he is a Milan player
He may have been our best midfield but compared to Milan's midfield its like
Off that lot only Ambrosini could be compared to Zanetti as the rest are way ahead of him in terms of international class.
De Rossi may have not his the heights this season but he is a classy player and i would not drop him for a player playing well because others around him are not apart from Nocerino. Form is temporary as they say or would you play borellio instead of Dp in the NT because of his rich goal scoring form?
Besides italy do not have a problem in the midfield and there is no point in changing anything there unless a very promising youngster just burst thru the ranks not a 31 year old. I personally would never drop Perotta as he is the only Italian midfielder that goes beyond the striker
Italy have problems in striking positions and defence so the likes of chiellini and even Legrottaglie stand a better chance imo not Zanetti, he has had his day unless there is an injury crisis there is no call for him
What was there to shut down in Sampdoria's midfield? Delvechio is useless with the ball at his feet, palumbo has a good shot on him but chose to defend most of the game.
Yes, I think Pirlo hasn't been better than Zanetti this season so far. I've watched several Milan matches in Serie A and I'm convinced that Pirlo hasn't given what Zanetti has offered this season.
I didn't say that playing for Juventus will automatically drive you to Donadoni's door. But being one of the best If not the best players of Juventus so far this season and not be called up is something I can't really understand.
What has Milan midfielders offered more than Zanetti? During capello's time we were considered to have the best midfield with Vieira and Emerson pairing up, Zanetti himself is doing twice the job these two players were given under Capello when we won the Scud. So It just doesn't make sense not to be called up when you're in your best form in such a team like Juventus.
De Rossi is very similar player to Zanetti and he has nothing more special than Zanetti. The diff between them is that De Rossi was and still respected from the club/fans/mang at Roma. Zanetti was underrated from Inter fans/media/coach etc. But other than that I don't see the special thing that De Rossi got and Zanetti hasn;t.
I agree about Perotta's part.
I didn't say that playing for Juventus will automatically drive you to Donadoni's door. But being one of the best If not the best players of Juventus so far this season and not be called up is something I can't really understand.
What has Milan midfielders offered more than Zanetti? During capello's time we were considered to have the best midfield with Vieira and Emerson pairing up, Zanetti himself is doing twice the job these two players were given under Capello when we won the Scud. So It just doesn't make sense not to be called up when you're in your best form in such a team like Juventus.
De Rossi is very similar player to Zanetti and he has nothing more special than Zanetti. The diff between them is that De Rossi was and still respected from the club/fans/mang at Roma. Zanetti was underrated from Inter fans/media/coach etc. But other than that I don't see the special thing that De Rossi got and Zanetti hasn;t.
I agree about Perotta's part.
Andy, you are still denying the fact that 4-4-2 worked great in the first half defensively and offensively, we will go nowhere if we deny everything. If Ranieri played Almiron instead of Brazzo and Palladino instead of Marchionni you know it would have been much better. In the second half, we only had Del Piero and Nedved as creative players, he took Del Piero out and left only tired Nedved. Well it was a dumbass move. It is the reason we didn't score.
and about this 4-4-2, that's no way my favorite formation. My favorite formation must have crowded and pressing midfield, and wingers working from the sites with the attacking player in the center just behind the strikers, that;s 3-4-1-2 or 3-5-2. I wouldn't mind also 4-4-2 with one attacking midfielder at least in the center, just like the Zidane days, Lippi's tactics. Probably the whole world play 4-4-2 what is your problem with it anyway? btw there are many types of 4-4-2 , 4-2-2-2, 4-1-3-2 etc.. the one I wanted my team to play is not the one like you are thinking. the center midfielders to sit back. 4-3-3 is one of my favorite formations too, but we don't have good midfielders or defenders to make that work. Yes we do have great Attack, but that alone will not serve you without the creativity of the midfield and solid defense.
If only he started with Almiron instead of Brazzo we could add more creativity, the man knows how to pass balls, while all Brazzo try to do is to destroy the opponents game, we had Zanetti for that, putting two and taking Del Piero out killed all the creativity.
I hope he plays this formation against Inter
Buffon
Birindelli - Grygera - Legrotaglie - Molinaro
Palladino - Almiron - Zanetti - Nedved
Trezeguet/Iaquinta - Del Piero
and about this 4-4-2, that's no way my favorite formation. My favorite formation must have crowded and pressing midfield, and wingers working from the sites with the attacking player in the center just behind the strikers, that;s 3-4-1-2 or 3-5-2. I wouldn't mind also 4-4-2 with one attacking midfielder at least in the center, just like the Zidane days, Lippi's tactics. Probably the whole world play 4-4-2 what is your problem with it anyway? btw there are many types of 4-4-2 , 4-2-2-2, 4-1-3-2 etc.. the one I wanted my team to play is not the one like you are thinking. the center midfielders to sit back. 4-3-3 is one of my favorite formations too, but we don't have good midfielders or defenders to make that work. Yes we do have great Attack, but that alone will not serve you without the creativity of the midfield and solid defense.
If only he started with Almiron instead of Brazzo we could add more creativity, the man knows how to pass balls, while all Brazzo try to do is to destroy the opponents game, we had Zanetti for that, putting two and taking Del Piero out killed all the creativity.
I hope he plays this formation against Inter
Buffon
Birindelli - Grygera - Legrotaglie - Molinaro
Palladino - Almiron - Zanetti - Nedved
Trezeguet/Iaquinta - Del Piero
That is a gross exaggeration as there is not a chance in hell that Zanetti is playing anywhere near the level of what Emerson produced talk less combined with Vieria
Are you telling me that given a choice of Pirlo, gatusso, De Rossi and zanetti, you would opt for Zanetti in your team?
De Rossi is not similar to Zanetti, I am sorry he has far more natural talent that Zanetti cannot dream of. He sprays tha ball about with such ease its ridiculous sometimes and he is wasted as a defensive midfielder.
Zanetti is just 1 of those players that is performing higher than his natural ability. He is not a bad player and he is extremely useful but Pirlo and De rossi are top draw
Are you telling me that given a choice of Pirlo, gatusso, De Rossi and zanetti, you would opt for Zanetti in your team?
De Rossi is not similar to Zanetti, I am sorry he has far more natural talent that Zanetti cannot dream of. He sprays tha ball about with such ease its ridiculous sometimes and he is wasted as a defensive midfielder.
Zanetti is just 1 of those players that is performing higher than his natural ability. He is not a bad player and he is extremely useful but Pirlo and De rossi are top draw
I'm talking about the straight 4-4-2 here, the one we always field and the one that you promoted before the match. It doesn't matter what the center midfielders do tactically... they both have to attack and defend in a straight 4-4-2, so I'm not really sure what you're talking about either.
It's the straight 4-4-2 that I abhor for several reasons that I've already stated. Like denco said, we are not Arsenal or Manure and we do not have a capable winger on our side at the moment without Camoranesi in the squad. Nedved is best when he's fielded in the center of the pitch, not on the wing, like he was under Lippi. Don't even mention Marchionni. Therefore, we don't have the players to field a straight 4-4-2 as it is, and that's why we shouldn't field it, yet we do for God knows why.
That's why we always resort to long balls, that's why we struggle to score against sides like Sampdoria who pack the defense when playing against us, and that's why we couldn't get the full three points against a miserable team on Sunday.
I understand that we have a horrid defense, but if we played with the 4-3-3 it would have been protected just as much as the stupid straight 4-4-2 we fielded. And I guess people don't understand the concept of playing to your strenghs, as if they did, they would have fielded three strikers the other day and we would have won the match. Samp had nothing going foward. It's just common sense.
And the straight 4-4-2 worked in the first 25 minutes because Samp was just utterly poor. If we had another striker on, we probably would have scored. If Iaquinta was on instead of Marco, we probably would have scored.
It's the straight 4-4-2 that I abhor for several reasons that I've already stated. Like denco said, we are not Arsenal or Manure and we do not have a capable winger on our side at the moment without Camoranesi in the squad. Nedved is best when he's fielded in the center of the pitch, not on the wing, like he was under Lippi. Don't even mention Marchionni. Therefore, we don't have the players to field a straight 4-4-2 as it is, and that's why we shouldn't field it, yet we do for God knows why.
That's why we always resort to long balls, that's why we struggle to score against sides like Sampdoria who pack the defense when playing against us, and that's why we couldn't get the full three points against a miserable team on Sunday.
I understand that we have a horrid defense, but if we played with the 4-3-3 it would have been protected just as much as the stupid straight 4-4-2 we fielded. And I guess people don't understand the concept of playing to your strenghs, as if they did, they would have fielded three strikers the other day and we would have won the match. Samp had nothing going foward. It's just common sense.
And the straight 4-4-2 worked in the first 25 minutes because Samp was just utterly poor. If we had another striker on, we probably would have scored. If Iaquinta was on instead of Marco, we probably would have scored.