Serie A: Juventus vs Sampdoria [Jan 20 2008] (18 Viewers)

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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Would you two(Holdon/Andy) be so nice to show me where someone said that Molinaro is word-class?
I swear sometimes I hate discussing football in this forum, They put words in your mouth.

1-I said play 4-4-2 we need to strengthen the defense, and that exactly what happened. But the whole forum argued with me that we will concede 3 goals, with 4-3-3 we will score 5. WE DIDN'T CONCEDE ANY SINGLE GOAL. and we created more that 5 chances..

2- I said play Grygera in Center, he will do good. and Yes he did more than good. They came to me, no he is RB he can't play as CB.

Ranieri takes Del Piero out, and leaves Trezeguet there (at second half) without the services of Del Piero or Camoranesi, what do you expect Trezeguet to do?? yeah right, we didn't win because of 4-4-2, and not because of the wrong players fielded in, good conclusions Andy! :faq1:
 

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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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are you fuckin kidding me? lol

the chances we missed and two penalties stolen in the first half? Trezeguet's post, the ball that was almost in, we were controling the whole fucking first half. If Ranieri took Del Piero out and didn't play Almiron from the first place, how were we going to score goal? You told me that with playing 4-4-2 our defense will be weak, actually they couldn't even attack. And we had many chances. Come on Andy, you don't make any sense. It was Ranieri's stupid subs that fucked the whole match..

and about the Sampdoria playing for a draw, actually the discussion between me and you happened way before when we knew that Cassano and Montella were out, Without those two, you don't expect Sampdoria to act like nothing happened.
We already knew Montella was out, so don't say we didn't.

I did not state that playing with the 4-4-2 our defense would be weak. Rather, I stated that our defense would be weak no matter what formation we used and that the straight 4-4-2 is not the best way to protect the defense. Everybody knew Samp would play for a draw as that is what they always do, Cassano or not. Either way, we should have fielded a different formation as we don't have the players right now to field a viable straight 4-4-2. Please do not defend this idiocy, snoop, as you will suddenly fall into the same category as Ranieri's tactics and subs. If his tactics worked, we would have won. I don't care about the Marchionni miss, he's an average player who shouldn't be starting for Juve anyway.

If we would have played to our strengths, which is fielding three forwards, we would have owned that Samp defense because they were terrible in the first half. As I stated before the match, scoring in the first 25 minutes would be crucial. We had our chances, yes, but we would have had more chances if we fielded another forward up there. Samp would have crumbled under that pressure and with another forward there, instead of a useless Marchionni.

Don't try to defend obvious flaws. I know you love the straight 4-4-2, think it's the best option, but it's really not. It's not the best option if we want to win, play to our strengths, and beat a side such as Samp. There was no reason to be cautious before the match, nor during the match. Samp was just asking to be scored upon but we couldn't do it because of our cautious tactics.

These are facts here, snoop. As Seven alluded to earlier, Andries isn't my favorite person either, but he's right when he says my analogy is correct and my tactical disposition is correct. Why? Because it played out on the pitch today just as I thought it would with the formation and tactics you keep defending.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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1st half we were playing well. we were attacking well and the odd occasions that we had to defend we done ok. marchionni amazingly missed a glorious chance which was harder to miss than score. other than that 1st half was good. then second half started badly IMO, ranieri for some reason took off Del piero for no reason, see del piero was playing well and creating opportunity's. from the get go of the second half we played shit. we didnt create enough and we gave the ball up too easily. then another change by ranieri he takes off marchionni who was playing well. we kept playing shit. and then when it was time for another sub

ranieri didnt have the balls to play the trident.
molinaro done a bit better but still hit a samp player every time he crossed. biri didnt play well. and i didnt see much of zannetti. brazzo faded away in the second half.

so this game i blame ranieri.
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
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are you fuckin kidding me? lol

the chances we missed and two penalties stolen in the first half? Trezeguet's post, the ball that was almost in, we were controling the whole fucking first half. If Ranieri took Del Piero out and didn't play Almiron from the first place, how were we going to score goal? You told me that with playing 4-4-2 our defense will be weak, actually they couldn't even attack. And we had many chances. Come on Andy, you don't make any sense. It was Ranieri's stupid subs that fucked the whole match..

and about the Sampdoria playing for a draw, actually the discussion between me and you happened way before when we knew that Cassano and Montella were out, Without those two, you don't expect Sampdoria to act like nothing happened.
well just like you i understood why Ranieri started with the 442. It was simple CR had to players that played well in the Coppa and one of them could've started and he chose to stick with consistency in the formation which is completely understandable.

The DP switch changed the game thats obvious but the other obvious point was that we had nothing going through the midfield in the 2nd half. We only had two creative players on the field and one of them was zanetti! Almiron or tiago should've been introduced way before.

imo CR failed in the 2nd half as in the first we looked good and creating heaps of chances. Then he decided to screw everything up.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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We're not good enough, admits Juventus boss Ranieri

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ROME (AFP) — Juventus coach Claudio Ranieri admitted his team simply aren't good enough to win the Serie A crown after a second successive draw virtually killed off their title hopes.

Juve were held 0-0 at home by Sampdoria on Sunday, a week after they needed a last-gasp Alessandro Del Piero penalty to salvage a point and a 1-1 draw at Catania.

Those two results have left them 12 points behind champions and leaders Inter Milan and with little chance of finishing top of the pile come May.

"We're not at the same level as the big teams," admitted Ranieri after watching his team be frustrated by a dogged rearguard action from Sampdoria.

"Congratulations to Sampdoria, they played well. We had the chances but we needed to convert them. Of course, we can't always win but our position in the league hasn't changed much."

Despite being held to the goalless draw Ranieri's team were a little gung-ho going forward and the former Chelsea boss defended that approach.

"I've said before that if you want to try to fight for the Scudetto you have to fire-up the players," he explained.

"Today the game reminded me a lot of the one against Udinese (a 1-0 loss at home), frantically trying to score a goal and taking the risk to concede one."

With Inter, who came from behind to beat struggling Parma 3-2, disappearing over the hill, Ranieri admitted he is keen to dip into the January transfer window to bolster his squad.

"We will certainly do something but we have to find the right player for us. If they're looking at Milan or Inter, then they certainly won't be joining us."

Rather than looking above them to try to catch Inter, or even second-placed Roma, goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon admitted the Old Lady of Turin were more worried with the teams behind them in the race for the four Champions League berths.

Fiorentina's third successive victory cut their gap to Juve to three points while European champions AC Milan are resurgent, despite sitting down in ninth place - they have three games in hand on their rivals.

"I've said before that we expect Milan to come back into the Champions League race and they've proved me right and are looking dangerous once again," said Buffon.

Milan have won both their matches since the season resumed following a three-week winter break.

And there is also Udinese, who are just five points behind Juventus in fifth place, in the race.
no ranieri your not good enough
 

Salvo

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Juve completely dominated the first half, missing a whole host of chances, with Marco Marchionni firing over an open goal, and David Trezeguet hitting the post and having an effort cleared off the line. Sampdoria also hit the woodwork through Cristian Maggio against the run of play.

Claudio Ranieri then made a simply disastrous decision, opting to replace Alessandro Del Piero at half time with Vincenzo Iaquinta, and the Bianconeri badly missed the link-up play that the Golden Boy brings. Juve failed to create a single chance after the interval and the game finished goalless.

Juventus came into this game with a host of injury problems, particularly in defence. Giorgio Chiellini, Jonathan Zebina, Mauro Camoranesi and long-term absentee Jorge Andrade were all sidelined, while Antonio Nocerino was suspended.



Sampdoria received a huge blow when Antonio Cassano was forced out with a minor problem, and they were also minus the injured Vincenzo Montella. Midfielder Sergio Volpi was relegated to the bench after a mid-week fallout with boss Walter Mazzarri.



Samp had the first attempt of the game as Claudio Bellucci curled a free-kick over the wall but it comfortably cleared the bar.



Down the other end Cristian Molinaro burst forward brilliantly from left back, nutmegging his man and firing in a cross that was cleared away. Juve started to up the tempo and Marco Marchionni threatened after going on a mazy run inside the area.



The ex-Parma man was then guilty of a simply astonishing miss on 11 minutes. Pavel Nedved did brilliantly down the left on the counter-attack and put the ball across the six-yard box, but Marchionni somehow contrived to put the ball over of an open-goal. It will undoubtedly go down as a contender for miss of the season.



Sampdoria received a blow halfway through the first period when Paolo Sammarco was forced off with injury and was replaced by Gennaro Delvecchio.



Juve were completely dominating possession and were camped inside their opponents half. On 29 minutes they were so close to taking the lead as David Trezeguet darted in front of his marker at the near-post to flick on a Molinaro cross, but the ball finished inches wide of Luca Castellazzi’s post.



Molinaro was in inspired form and was causing Samp all sorts of problems with his raids down the left flank.



On 33 minutes there was another incredible escape for the Blucerchaiti. First Marchionni was denied by Castellazzi amid chaotic scenes inside the area, before Trezeguet has his close-range effort brilliantly cleared off the line by Pietro Accardi. The Frenchman claimed that the ball was over the line but replays showed that the officials made the correct decision.



Juve were laying siege to the Sampdoria goal and two minutes later Trezeguet was desperately unlucky again not to score. The prolific hitman connected with a cross from the left but his volleyed effort into the ground cannoned off the crossbar!!



As the game approached half-time Claudio Ranieri must have been wondering how his team were not ahead. The Tinkerman’s luck could have got even worse as Sampdoria almost stole the lead on 41 minutes.



Maggio lost his man at a corner and thumped in a header which slammed off the post and went wide, with Buffon beaten.



Despite Juve’s first half dominance Ranieri decided to replace Del Piero at half-time for Vincenzo Iaquinta, possibly in a bid to add some extra pace and height to the attack.



Juve seemed to react badly to the change and Palombo hit a ferocious, dipping attempt for the away side from 30 yards that just cleared the bar.



On 57 minutes the home side called for a penalty following an alleged handball from Mirko Pieri but the referee waved away the appeals.



Palombo was competing well in midfield and he fired in another long-range effort but scuffed the ball well wide.



The Bianconeri were really struggling since Ranieri’s half-time changes and with Del Piero off the pitch there was no link-up play between the midfield and attack.



Palombo was competing well in midfield and he fired in another long-range effort but scuffed the ball well wide.



Nedved was looking like the only player capable of finding Juve a winner. The Czech veteran was working tirelessly and he was upended right on the edge of the area but the referee didn’t award a free-kick.



Juve then cried for a penalty twice in quick succession around the 75 minute mark. First Marchionni went down under a challenge from Franceschini, then Trezeguet was floored following a coming together with his marker. On both occasions the referee waved away the appeals.



The dreadfully disappointing Iaquinta destroyed a promising opening for Juve down the left with a very poor cross, before Nedved burst forward and fired in a dangerous left-footed shot that was cleared away by the increasingly deep Sampdoria defence.



Juventus were simply awful in the second-half and it was all too easy for the impressive Samp centre-backs Accardi, Daniele Galstadello and Hugo Campagnaro.



In the 89th Trezeguet got in front of his marker and powered in a header but the ball drifted well wide.



Substitute Sergio Almiron also had a headed attempt from a corner, before Trezeguet found a bit of space in the last minute of stoppage time but lashed a volley well over the bar.



The game finished goalless and although the Sampdoria defence deserve great credit for holding the Bianconeri, it is inevitable that Claudio Ranieri will receive all the criticism for his ill-fated decision to replace Del Piero with Iaquinta at half time.



Juventus: Buffon, Birindelli (Almiron 82), Grygera, Legrottaglie, Molinaro, Marchionni (Palladino 73), Nedved, Salihamidzic, Zanetti, Del Piero (Iaquinta 45), Trezeguet



Sampdoria: Castellazzi, Accardi, Maggio, Campagnaro, Pieri, Palombo, Franceschini, Sammarco (Delvecchio 21), Bellucci, Bonazzoli (Volpi 79)



Carlo Garganese
looks like were not hte only one who thought those great subs form ranieri cost us the match
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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i think ranieri is out to get delps. afterall he subbed him when he was playing well and when donadoni was there watching him.
 

Morra10

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Apr 30, 2006
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Thats not really the point.You can blame him too but that wasn`t our only chance in this match.We were unlucky today by missing some good chances.But overall Ranieri ruined this match.Formation at the start of the match was stupid.Subs?Taking off DP at the end of the first half?Yes he`s an idiot.He always makes some incredibly fu*king stupid subs.We lost too many points because of something like this and this should not happen.He`s simply not the right man for us.Inter is leaving us behind by miles and sadly Roma too.Milan is on fire...

Oh I totally agree that raneri fucked up the formation and his substitutions and we did waste some opportunities but marchionni is a professional football player, you expect even an amateur to put that on net from that close. It was harder for him to miss then to score. Right after that happened I knew it would cost us.
 

Vinman

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Jul 16, 2002
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i agree but not with sacking ranieri in the middle of the season, who else could we get? i still think we will qualify for the cl but we need to get beack on track with a few wins to state the obvious.

and no offence but i remember reading you saying that we woudl lose 2-1, this aint a bad result then, is it?
that was before I found out that Cassano was injured...otherwise it would have been 2-0 Samp


Ranieri blames bad luck Sunday 20 January, 2008

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Claudio Ranieri is ruing Juventus’ bad luck after a “cursed” goalless draw with Sampdoria, but Walter Mazzarri was celebrating.


“We faced a team that defended in an orderly fashion. We tried every way we could to score, but we were just missing that final touch,” said the Bianconeri boss.


“We tried spreading the play out wide and shot from every angle, but even in the last second David Trezeguet fired over.”


Juve thought they had taken the lead in a chaotic move that saw three goalline clearances and Trezeguet thump the crossbar, as replays failed to clarify whether Salvatore Accardi had hooked the ball before it had crossed the line.


“I don’t think it was a goal,” confessed Ranieri. “It is unlikely the ball went over completely. This was just a cursed game and we could not have done more.”


Nonetheless, it leaves the Turin giants five points off Roma and potentially at the end of this evening 12 points adrift of leaders Inter.


“We are having an extraordinary season and there is a lot more work to do,” said the Coach. “We know all this. We said from the start there were more complete squads than us. We want to challenge for the Scudetto, but that is because it is in the DNA of this club.”


It is the first time Samp boss Mazzarri has emerged unbeaten from an away match to Juventus and the first draw the Blucerchiati have had on their travels all season.


“I am satisfied with the way my team played and we had some good chances, including hitting the post. It was a difficult game, but aside from that messy move Juve never really had a shot on target.”


It was achieved without the injured Antonio Cassano.


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RUINeri is right...it was a cursed game that an inept coach like himself could do nothing about

now lets hope no one puts anymore "curses" on our team, or we may find ourselves in 12th place...or worse !!!:p
 

Maher

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Dec 16, 2002
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i knew that we will pay for wasting the chances in the first half since chances like these cant be wasted especially when you are playing with lower teams since you have to score in the first half or things will be harder in the second half.
 

Boudz

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Aug 1, 2002
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CR ruined my whole day, i can't stop thinking about his HT decision. What a moron. Leave our beloved Juve, it is you who is not good enough! Get out!
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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Actually I know the reason we did not win, its got nothing to do with Ranieri's genius at plucking draws from the jaws of victories or phantom penalties not awarded for brilliant tackles but channel 5. The damned Tv station seems to jinx the home side.

In all seriousness, what was that? I see some ratings with Zanetti given 7 for doing what? Playing well most of the season so automatically deserving high mark for not being able to dominate journeymen like Palombo and Del Vecchio but of cos Donadoni is a dunce for not picking him in the NT

Molinaro, I am not a detractor as I have not come down hard on him but to get 6.5 is ludicrous. 2 decent crossed in the whole game is not a good return when 5 others never went past the 1st defender. He was not bad defensively but he was not good either like I went thru in some detail elsewhere.

Birindelli trying an overhead kick like he scores goals for fun has got to be the funniest thing I have seen this year. I would have fined him for that attempt.

Taking Dp off was just nah there is no adjective for that and surely its not because of the Inter game in midweek as you only plan ahead whe you are comfortably leading a game not at 0-0.

Salihamidzic as a central midfielder is asinine as he does not have the characteristics and running around like a headless chicken fits him to a tee.

I agree with those that are baffled with a staright forward 4-4-2, man u and man city as well as Athletico madrid can play that way all they like cos they have petrov, ronaldo, giggs, simao, maxi rodriguez etc but why do we play it

Where is the out and out winger we have and please do not mention Marchionni? Oh yeah i forgot he is better than Roma's mancini cos like Di Vaio he had 1 decent season in his career at parma.

Reading reports Iaquinat was very effective against empoli in midweek and Dp has been on good form as late so why not play all 3 strikers against a side that it was obvious would show little ambition?

I am sorry but not a single Juve player deserved 6.5 in that game and I am really irritated by players especially in the Spanish and Italian leagues just going down under any kinda challenge and either the opponent puts the ball out or the referee stops play.

FiFa and Uefa should come down hard on such nonsense if it not a head wound play should continue as it does annoy me a lot and Sampdoria players kept doing that
 

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