Serie A: Juventus vs Sampdoria [Jan 20 2008] (1 Viewer)

Snoop

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Oct 2, 2001
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Sorry guys, but It is crazy to play with 3 attackers front when you have all these injuries and will play with this shitty defenders. Our Midfielders better support our defense.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Sorry guys, but It is crazy to play with 3 attackers front when you have all these injuries and will play with this shitty defenders. Our Midfielders better support our defense.
No, it's not crazy. Our defense will make mistakes no matter what formation we use. It's better to take the game to the opposition and beat them with GOALS, which we should be able to do against Sampdoria if we field all our weapons.

It's more idiotic to sit back and let Samp creep into the game and test our defense. That's whats crazy, but what Ranieri will probably do because he's a dufus.
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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While i'd like to see the trident, because all our three forwards deserve to start, I do see a lot of sense in Snoop's words.

This defence DOES need all the support it can get from the midfield. Sampdoria like to crowd the midfield, so just playing three in midfield causes a great risk of being overrun. Controlling a game is usually done in midfield, if we want to run things and be in possesion of the ball, we need to fill the midfield with bodies.
 

Paolo Sosa

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Nov 11, 2005
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so basically we don't have any offensive subs if we played with this formation, no element of suprise what so ever and no olayer who could change the game if he was introduced in HT.
 

Snoop

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Oct 2, 2001
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Our defense was shaky from the start of the season, If we didn't concede lots of goals, that's because we have the best goalkeeper of the world. with that average defense we were lucky not to concede a lot, but when you lose all of them, and you depend on Molinaro and Boumsong and leave them alone and focus on attacking, well, this is not Empoli, they even could score more than 3, and we are not that great to score another 5 against a team like Sampdoria. If you had creative midfielders like Diego or VDV, I would tell you go take the risk, you know our midfield too that they are not creative enough, if you make them weaker, by reducing another player, I am afraid we can't even score a goal.

I would stick with 4-4-2, or use 4-5-1, or 5-4-1 with fats counter attacks. I don't care what formation we will play, but one thing I am sure is that we need to play next match with 4 midfielders at least!
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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While i'd like to see the trident, because all our three forwards deserve to start, I do see a lot of sense in Snoop's words.

This defence DOES need all the support it can get from the midfield. Sampdoria like to crowd the midfield, so just playing three in midfield causes a great risk of being overrun. Controlling a game is usually done in midfield, if we want to run things and be in possesion of the ball, we need to fill the midfield with bodies.
Fielding wingers won't neccessarily make a difference. Who are we going to field on the wing anyway? Marchionni, Palladino, Salihamidzic? The latter will probably be fielded in defense or central midfield (apparently), and the other two aren't even worth fielding unless Palladino plays up top.

We just don't have the players right now to continue with the straight 4-4-2, we don't. And against Empoli we stacked the midfield yet we still managed to let in three goals at home. It wasn't until we actually took the game to them with more players in attacking positions that we finally managed to worry them.
 

pavelnedved

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Jul 15, 2006
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No, it's not crazy. Our defense will make mistakes no matter what formation we use. It's better to take the game to the opposition and beat them with GOALS, which we should be able to do against Sampdoria if we field all our weapons.

It's more idiotic to sit back and let Samp creep into the game and test our defense. That's whats crazy, but what Ranieri will probably do because he's a dufus.
well basically that kind of tactic should work in any game. just score more goals than your opponent does. i prefer to take it to a higher level
 

Dominic

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Fielding wingers won't neccessarily make a difference. Who are we going to field on the wing anyway? Marchionni, Palladino, Salihamidzic? The latter will probably be fielded in defense or central midfield (apparently), and the other two aren't even worth fielding unless Palladino plays up top.
Marchionni looks like he's finally finding his feet again. I wouldn't be opposed to him getting another chance.


We just don't have the players right now to continue with the straight 4-4-2, we don't. And against Empoli we stacked the midfield yet we still managed to let in three goals at home. It wasn't until we actually took the game to them with more players in attacking positions that we finally managed to worry them.
Things also turned around when Salihamidzic entered(turning it to a straight 4-4-2) and added some bite in the centre of the pitch instead of the hapless Tiago. We never played with three forwards against Empoli.
 

Snoop

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Oct 2, 2001
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-------------Buffon
Brazzo/Biri - Grygera - Legrotaglie - Molinaro

Marchionni/Brazzo - Almiron - Zanetti - Palladino

----------------------- Nedved ---------------------

------------------ Iaquinta-----------------------

More like 4-2-2-1-1 with Almiron and Zanetti infront of Defense, Palladino running forward from the left, Nedved creating from midfield and Iaquinta probably the only play that can alone in front, as using Trezeguet would be useless in this formation.
 

pavelnedved

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Jul 15, 2006
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Sorry guys, but It is crazy to play with 3 attackers front when you have all these injuries and will play with this shitty defenders. Our Midfielders better support our defense.
i think it's good to play 3 attackers as iaquinta seems to be back on form and camo is still unavailable ... if only we weren't without nocerino. definitely 2 defensive minded players are required. apparently CR is gonna test brazzo there, well at least he has a great stamina and high work-rate, but it's to be seen. so 433 with brazzo is an option and nedved, another hard worker, in front of the dms
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Things also turned around when Salihamidzic entered(turning it to a straight 4-4-2) and added some bite in the centre of the pitch instead of the hapless Tiago. We never played with three forwards against Empoli.
Marchionni was basically playing as a striker, and Nedved slotted inside the middle.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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But hey, alright guys. Lets just stick with the straight 4-4-2 even without Camoranesi and Nocerino. Lets see what happens with said formation and this defense. Should be comical.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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-------------Buffon
Brazzo/Biri - Grygera - Legrotaglie - Molinaro

Marchionni/Brazzo - Almiron - Zanetti - Palladino

----------------------- Nedved ---------------------

------------------ Iaquinta-----------------------

More like 4-2-2-1-1 with Almiron and Zanetti infront of Defense, Palladino running forward from the left, Nedved creating from midfield and Iaquinta probably the only play that can alone in front, as using Trezeguet would be useless in this formation.
Why do we have to continue playing Palladino out of position?
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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Marchionni was basically playing as a striker, and Nedved slotted inside the middle.
No way. Both came from the sides in midfield. Nedved always roams, but starts from the left. Guaranteeing some width and tactical discipline, at least in defence.

But hey, alright guys. Lets just stick with the straight 4-4-2 even without Camoranesi. Lets see what happens with said formation and this defense. Should be comical.
I'd prefer to see the trident too, i'm just adding some nuance to it. There's sense in playing the 4-4-2, even in the current situation.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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how can playing more offensive can help your defense I fail to understand that. You think Sampdoria will just sit and watch that? They have huge talents offensive wise, and we have comedians at back, build a great defense then work your attack, it's not like we have much options. We need to defend from the midfield, because we can't defend with these players at our penalty area.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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Why do we have to continue playing Palladino out of position?
Like I said , we don't have much options. Plus, we need to give Palladino as much as chances we could give him, cause we both know that he is not the kind of player to be picked as an attacker when you have Trezeguet Del Piero and Iaquinta at the same squad. He is a very good dribbler and a good passer, if he plays at his top form, he can be very useful at left side.
 

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