Serie A: Juventus vs Palermo and the rest of the world [11/25/07] (13 Viewers)
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I had the same thing in my mind a few pages ago. I´d like to see Del Piero roaming on the left or behind Trezegol and Iaquinta. Maybe also Palladino could take that role but I prefer Alex.
Though it is really a shame that Marchionni cannot find space in this team so far. Then again, he wasn´t entirely fit yet. As I recall, he was excellent during pre season in the role of attacking left winger. :frown:
What you think? Please discuss.
Though it is really a shame that Marchionni cannot find space in this team so far. Then again, he wasn´t entirely fit yet. As I recall, he was excellent during pre season in the role of attacking left winger. :frown:
What you think? Please discuss.
It also depends IMO the way Ranieri fields the formation, If he plays the 4-3-3 then Iaquinta can be very helpful, but If he fields 4-4-2 I don't see Iaquinta as a threat TBH....in 4-3-3 he can move more and considering his speedy legs It would be good having him in such a formation.
Iaquinta coming off the bench can do more than Alex, now lot of people will explain this that just because I admire Alex I'm saying this, but If you think of It, Alex coming off the bench can't be as good as Iaquinta, coming off the bench means the opponents are pretty much tired and having speed in your legs can make diff on the field.
So thats why most of the times I'd prefer Alex starting, but then again I'd start Iaquinta in a 4-3-3 formation most of the time and also when Alex or David are in really bad shape.
Iaquinta coming off the bench can do more than Alex, now lot of people will explain this that just because I admire Alex I'm saying this, but If you think of It, Alex coming off the bench can't be as good as Iaquinta, coming off the bench means the opponents are pretty much tired and having speed in your legs can make diff on the field.
So thats why most of the times I'd prefer Alex starting, but then again I'd start Iaquinta in a 4-3-3 formation most of the time and also when Alex or David are in really bad shape.
I think it's the other way around. Iaquinta can tire out the opposing defenders' legs very well, with his great physical qualities. While Del Piero's skills, with his diminishing physical qualities, are much more effective against tired legs. DP lacks any form of speed, but against tired legs, this is less of a problem.
... Capello knew this too.
Iaquinta has done much more than DP recently to warrant a starting place. I'm not sure how you would argue, Rebel that Tiago has done more than Iaquinta for a starting position? Iaquinta has a very high goal per game ratio for us, and seems to score and/or assist in every game he plays.
Anyway, La Stampa write that Tiago is set to start tomorrow.
... Capello knew this too.
Iaquinta has done much more than DP recently to warrant a starting place. I'm not sure how you would argue, Rebel that Tiago has done more than Iaquinta for a starting position? Iaquinta has a very high goal per game ratio for us, and seems to score and/or assist in every game he plays.
Anyway, La Stampa write that Tiago is set to start tomorrow.
Any defender would prefer to have a speedy player starting then coming off the bench. Any defender.
And not showing off or anything, but I myself, sometimes play as a DM when needed, I'd rather have a slow player coming off the bench in the 2nd half instead of speedy player who can make loose all my stamina. Even If the slow player has unstoppable skills and is pretty good in dribbling. But a fast player is a fast player.
When you start a game against someone fast, you're both fresh...and It takes time to tire the defender. But when a fast player comes off the bench is scary, trust me.
Iaquinta has worked much more than Del Piero and deserves playing time. But I would rather see him starting in a 4-3-3 formation and not for a 4-4-2.
Good move from Ranieri If thats true.
And not showing off or anything, but I myself, sometimes play as a DM when needed, I'd rather have a slow player coming off the bench in the 2nd half instead of speedy player who can make loose all my stamina. Even If the slow player has unstoppable skills and is pretty good in dribbling. But a fast player is a fast player.
When you start a game against someone fast, you're both fresh...and It takes time to tire the defender. But when a fast player comes off the bench is scary, trust me.
Iaquinta has worked much more than Del Piero and deserves playing time. But I would rather see him starting in a 4-3-3 formation and not for a 4-4-2.
Good move from Ranieri If thats true.
Yes a fast-paced player is more scary. My point is though, that DP is much more effective against tired legs, than he is against fresh legs. How often have we seen in recent times that DP beats someone in a dribble, but the defender always catches up, because DP with his lack of pace can't break away.
Iaquinta is better at wearing out a defender's legs. Iaquinta is both effective against tired legs and fresh legs.
I'd actually rather see Iaquinta upfront in a 4-4-2. A 4-4-2 does not mean he can't go out-wide, but the 4-4-2 does give space for the wingers to give good crosses to Iaquinta. He's a big guy, hence effective at doing something useful with high balls.
Iaquinta is better at wearing out a defender's legs. Iaquinta is both effective against tired legs and fresh legs.
I'd actually rather see Iaquinta upfront in a 4-4-2. A 4-4-2 does not mean he can't go out-wide, but the 4-4-2 does give space for the wingers to give good crosses to Iaquinta. He's a big guy, hence effective at doing something useful with high balls.
Thats true....I think thats his biggest problem this season. Once he works on it he'll performe better. Could be the reason he asked for personal trainer though.
Iaquinta playing out-wide in a 4-4-2, means Trezeguet will be alone upfront... Which is not good IMO. I know it gives space for the wingers which is not bad, but you still need someone like Mauro or Pavel playing as a playmaker role.
If Iaquinta playing in a 4-4-2 and If he's playing out-wide this is how things will look like
Camo - Zanetti - Tiago - Nedved
Iaquinta
- - - - - - -Trezeguet
Doesn't look good to me. Unless one of Pavel or Camo playing as a playmaker role, It would be much better.
Iaquinta playing out-wide in a 4-4-2, means Trezeguet will be alone upfront... Which is not good IMO. I know it gives space for the wingers which is not bad, but you still need someone like Mauro or Pavel playing as a playmaker role.
If Iaquinta playing in a 4-4-2 and If he's playing out-wide this is how things will look like
Camo - Zanetti - Tiago - Nedved
Iaquinta
- - - - - - -Trezeguet
Doesn't look good to me. Unless one of Pavel or Camo playing as a playmaker role, It would be much better.
Serie A Preview: Juventus - Palermo
Who: Juventus (3rd, 22 points) vs Palermo (7th, 18 points)
When: 20:30 CET, Sunday November 25
Where: Stadio Olimpico, Turin
Serie A action returns this weekend at the Stadio Olimpico as Palermo travel to Turin to take on Scudetto-challengers Juventus.
Unlucky Bianconeri
Juventus will be looking to make amends for their disappointing week 12 draw at Parma after some dreadful refereeing decisions once again cost them some valuable points.
Parma were awarded a highly debatable first half penalty, Giorgio Chiellini was harshly sent off, while Vincenzo Iaquinta had a perfectly good goal disallowed in injury time that would have given Juve victory.
This followed the two non-existsent penalties that La Vecchia Signora had given against them during the 3-1 defeat to Napoli a few weeks ago.
In spite of the referees, Coach Claudio Ranieri has had a great start to life in Turin, as Juventus are just three points off leaders Inter in third place.
Ranieri will be back to his “Tinkerman” ways this weekend as Tiago, who impressed as a sub against Parma, will once again be left on the substitutes bench.
Palermo back on track?
The Sicilian club got back to winning ways in their last match, defeating a hungry Napoli side 2-1 in the Derby del Sud. Prior to that match the Rosanero had become stalemate specialists as they had drawn five consecutive games.
It was an important victory for the Rosanero as it has seemed to spark some confidence in the squad, especially Amauri who stated this week that although they are the underdogs, Palermo can go to Turin and pull off the upset.
It is a big ask for the Rosanero, however paradoxically, despite their indifferent form, they have actually gone almost two months without losing in Serie A.
Unfortunately as five of these six games were draws, they are thus not as high up the table as they could have been. However Stefano Colantuono's men are still well-placed in seventh position and a win on Sunday will see them move to within just one point of Juventus.
FORM GUIDE
Juventus
Match Result Date Championship
Parma - Juventus 2 - 2 11/11/2007 SERIE A
Juventus - Inter Milan 1 - 1 04/11/2007 SERIE A
Juventus - Empoli 3 - 0 31/10/2007 SERIE A
Napoli - Juventus 3 - 1 27/10/2007 SERIE A
Juventus - Genoa 1 - 0 21/10/2007 SERIE A
Fiorentina - Juventus 1 - 1 07/10/2007 SERIE A
Palermo
Match Result Date Championship
Palermo - Napoli 2 - 1 10/11/2007 SERIE A
Genoa - Palermo 3 - 3 04/11/2007 SERIE A
Palermo - Parma 1 - 1 31/10/2007 SERIE A
Palermo - Inter Milan 0 - 0 28/10/2007 SERIE A
Udinese - Palermo 1 - 1 21/10/2007 SERIE A
Palermo - Reggina 1 - 1 07/10/2007 SERIE A
TEAM NEWS
Juventus
Ranieri has some minor adjustments to make in defence as he will be without Giorgio Chiellini due to suspension. Alessandro Birindelli should take his place. Domenico Criscito will sit on the sidelines, as he makes way for Crisitan Molinaro. The only other change takes place in midfield, as Palladino will move to the bench in favour of Pavel Nedved.
Probable Starting XI: Buffon; Birindelli, Grygera, Legrottaglie, Molinaro; Camoranesi, Nocerino, C Zanetti, Nedved; Trezeguet, Del Piero
Palermo
Fabrizio Miccoli is still unfit to partner Amauri upfront, so it looks likely that Franco Brienza will retain his starting place. Coach Colantuono is hesitant to change his line-up drastically so the only change that will occur is Giulio Migliaccio returning to the starting line-up for the injured Fabio Caserta.
Probable Starting XI: Fontana; Zaccardo, Biava, Barzagli; Diana, Tedesco, Simplicio, Migliaccio, Capuano; Brienza, Amauri
PLAYERS TO WATCH
Juventus - David Trezeguet
The French striker has been in unstoppable form and is proving to everyone except Raymond Domenech that he is one of the most deadly strikers in world football.
Palermo - Amauri
The Brazilian hitman has hit his stride and proved that he can be counted on to shoulder the offensive load with Miccoli out of the line-up.
PREDICTION
This is the perfect opportunity for the Bianconeri to get back to winning ways as they face on opposition that lacks physical toughness in midfield and who are without their most creative player.
Juventus 2-0 Palermo
Barzagli: We Would Be Happy With Draw
Andrea Barzagli has admitted that Palermo are not ready to challenge for a Champions League place just yet and says they will be happy with a draw against Juventus.
The Rosanero are well placed in seventh position in Serie A and have gone almost two months without losing in the league.
However five of the six games during this time were draws, and the Sicilians were also embarrassingly knocked out of the UEFA Cup in the first round by Czech minnows Mlada Boleslav.
This Sunday Palermo face a daunting trip to Turin to face high-flying Juventus.
“We are not ready for the Champions League just yet,” said Barzagli.
“There are a lot of teams who are superior to us at the moment. Therefore would be happy with a draw in Turin on Sunday.”
Barzagli was on international duty last weekend and put in a stellar display during the Azzurri's crucial Euro 2008 qualifying win in Scotland.
“To win in Scotland in that overcrowded stadium of fans is an emotion that I will carry with me for a long time,” confessed the 26-year-old.
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Who: Juventus (3rd, 22 points) vs Palermo (7th, 18 points)
When: 20:30 CET, Sunday November 25
Where: Stadio Olimpico, Turin
Serie A action returns this weekend at the Stadio Olimpico as Palermo travel to Turin to take on Scudetto-challengers Juventus.
Unlucky Bianconeri
Juventus will be looking to make amends for their disappointing week 12 draw at Parma after some dreadful refereeing decisions once again cost them some valuable points.
Parma were awarded a highly debatable first half penalty, Giorgio Chiellini was harshly sent off, while Vincenzo Iaquinta had a perfectly good goal disallowed in injury time that would have given Juve victory.
This followed the two non-existsent penalties that La Vecchia Signora had given against them during the 3-1 defeat to Napoli a few weeks ago.
In spite of the referees, Coach Claudio Ranieri has had a great start to life in Turin, as Juventus are just three points off leaders Inter in third place.
Ranieri will be back to his “Tinkerman” ways this weekend as Tiago, who impressed as a sub against Parma, will once again be left on the substitutes bench.
Palermo back on track?
The Sicilian club got back to winning ways in their last match, defeating a hungry Napoli side 2-1 in the Derby del Sud. Prior to that match the Rosanero had become stalemate specialists as they had drawn five consecutive games.
It was an important victory for the Rosanero as it has seemed to spark some confidence in the squad, especially Amauri who stated this week that although they are the underdogs, Palermo can go to Turin and pull off the upset.
It is a big ask for the Rosanero, however paradoxically, despite their indifferent form, they have actually gone almost two months without losing in Serie A.
Unfortunately as five of these six games were draws, they are thus not as high up the table as they could have been. However Stefano Colantuono's men are still well-placed in seventh position and a win on Sunday will see them move to within just one point of Juventus.
FORM GUIDE
Juventus
Match Result Date Championship
Parma - Juventus 2 - 2 11/11/2007 SERIE A
Juventus - Inter Milan 1 - 1 04/11/2007 SERIE A
Juventus - Empoli 3 - 0 31/10/2007 SERIE A
Napoli - Juventus 3 - 1 27/10/2007 SERIE A
Juventus - Genoa 1 - 0 21/10/2007 SERIE A
Fiorentina - Juventus 1 - 1 07/10/2007 SERIE A
Palermo
Match Result Date Championship
Palermo - Napoli 2 - 1 10/11/2007 SERIE A
Genoa - Palermo 3 - 3 04/11/2007 SERIE A
Palermo - Parma 1 - 1 31/10/2007 SERIE A
Palermo - Inter Milan 0 - 0 28/10/2007 SERIE A
Udinese - Palermo 1 - 1 21/10/2007 SERIE A
Palermo - Reggina 1 - 1 07/10/2007 SERIE A
TEAM NEWS
Juventus
Ranieri has some minor adjustments to make in defence as he will be without Giorgio Chiellini due to suspension. Alessandro Birindelli should take his place. Domenico Criscito will sit on the sidelines, as he makes way for Crisitan Molinaro. The only other change takes place in midfield, as Palladino will move to the bench in favour of Pavel Nedved.
Probable Starting XI: Buffon; Birindelli, Grygera, Legrottaglie, Molinaro; Camoranesi, Nocerino, C Zanetti, Nedved; Trezeguet, Del Piero
Palermo
Fabrizio Miccoli is still unfit to partner Amauri upfront, so it looks likely that Franco Brienza will retain his starting place. Coach Colantuono is hesitant to change his line-up drastically so the only change that will occur is Giulio Migliaccio returning to the starting line-up for the injured Fabio Caserta.
Probable Starting XI: Fontana; Zaccardo, Biava, Barzagli; Diana, Tedesco, Simplicio, Migliaccio, Capuano; Brienza, Amauri
PLAYERS TO WATCH
Juventus - David Trezeguet
The French striker has been in unstoppable form and is proving to everyone except Raymond Domenech that he is one of the most deadly strikers in world football.
Palermo - Amauri
The Brazilian hitman has hit his stride and proved that he can be counted on to shoulder the offensive load with Miccoli out of the line-up.
PREDICTION
This is the perfect opportunity for the Bianconeri to get back to winning ways as they face on opposition that lacks physical toughness in midfield and who are without their most creative player.
Juventus 2-0 Palermo
Barzagli: We Would Be Happy With Draw
Andrea Barzagli has admitted that Palermo are not ready to challenge for a Champions League place just yet and says they will be happy with a draw against Juventus.
The Rosanero are well placed in seventh position in Serie A and have gone almost two months without losing in the league.
However five of the six games during this time were draws, and the Sicilians were also embarrassingly knocked out of the UEFA Cup in the first round by Czech minnows Mlada Boleslav.
This Sunday Palermo face a daunting trip to Turin to face high-flying Juventus.
“We are not ready for the Champions League just yet,” said Barzagli.
“There are a lot of teams who are superior to us at the moment. Therefore would be happy with a draw in Turin on Sunday.”
Barzagli was on international duty last weekend and put in a stellar display during the Azzurri's crucial Euro 2008 qualifying win in Scotland.
“To win in Scotland in that overcrowded stadium of fans is an emotion that I will carry with me for a long time,” confessed the 26-year-old.
goal.com
I totally agree with Dominic in evrything.
If anyone in this squad deserves a starting place it is Iaquinta,even more than Tiago.
I also agree that Iaquinta's biggest strengh is his work rate & his Grinta.
I'd rather see a skillless Iaquinta fighting on evryball & giving his best on the field than a skillfull Alex trying to dribble past 3,4 defenders in evry ball & losing the ball in the end.
Alex's best form in the recent 4 years was under Capello where he started on the bench & came off & produced his magic in the 2nd half.
I am not with benching Alex regularly but I think him & Neddy need some bench time to regain theirr form& know that they r not guaranteed a starting place even if they didnt perform but thats of course need a coach with balls.
Even Donadoni understood that Iaquinta could be much more useful than Alex at this time.
I think Ranirei will start both Iaquinta & Tiago on sunday.(fingers crossed)
If anyone in this squad deserves a starting place it is Iaquinta,even more than Tiago.
I also agree that Iaquinta's biggest strengh is his work rate & his Grinta.
I'd rather see a skillless Iaquinta fighting on evryball & giving his best on the field than a skillfull Alex trying to dribble past 3,4 defenders in evry ball & losing the ball in the end.
Alex's best form in the recent 4 years was under Capello where he started on the bench & came off & produced his magic in the 2nd half.
I am not with benching Alex regularly but I think him & Neddy need some bench time to regain theirr form& know that they r not guaranteed a starting place even if they didnt perform but thats of course need a coach with balls.
Even Donadoni understood that Iaquinta could be much more useful than Alex at this time.
I think Ranirei will start both Iaquinta & Tiago on sunday.(fingers crossed)
Did u watch any of Iaquinta's matches this season???
The guy was our best player on the pitch in nearly every match he played in this season(Roma,Fiorentina,Parma)
The guy gives it all on the field,even Donadoni called him for the NT when he was still recovering from injury.
I cant understand how u can say that he doesnt deserve to start,so who deserves Alex or Neddy!!
The guy was our best player on the pitch in nearly every match he played in this season(Roma,Fiorentina,Parma)
The guy gives it all on the field,even Donadoni called him for the NT when he was still recovering from injury.
I cant understand how u can say that he doesnt deserve to start,so who deserves Alex or Neddy!!
Iaquinta tries a lot and he wants to awarded in Juve but our problem is not Iaquinta. Is that we can let out of the any game Del Piero because even if he doesn't perform to our game, Ranieri will never put him on the bench because he will seem reaction from the fans and then all here we 'll say why he doesn't use him. The problem is not who of the two will play but what the funs really want. And i admire Alex i like to see him playing and to Juve and to Azzuri but sometimes we must put aside our emotions and see what is good for the team.