Serie A: Juventus vs Empoli [October 31 2007] (1 Viewer)

[denco]

Sorry for going off topic and i hope this will be the last OT post in this thread.
But this part of Denco's post is so wrong :

Where did you get this from, Denco ?
Milan are the biggest cry babies in Italian football. They can't stop bitching for 4 years already. They were bitching how we're stealing scudettos from them two years in a row, last year they were bitching how the world is against them and how they were so innocent that the -8 pts deduction was the greatest scandal of all time and this year they can't stop bitching although all the statistics say they've been the most favoured team in serie A. Only last week Galliani was bitching how the refs cost them at least 6 points this season. They moan about every single 50-50 call that didn't go in their favour (and there aren't many of these) but this time they didn't moan because it was a clear penalty. It couldn't have been more clear.
Ambrosini almost ripped off De Rossi's jersey and stopped him from reaching the ball and shooting from 3 metres. I can't believe someone is doubting this decision to give Roma a penalty.And since Ambrosini had a yellow already he got his second yellow for this penalty faul. Minutes before the end Seedorf had a butchering tackle and the ref gave him only yellow (everybody in Domenica Sportiva said it should have been a straight red card)
If Milan aren't bitching about a call against them, then You can all be 100% sure it was a correct call.

If that was true then Roma players would have been protesting but they hardly protested at all and even De Rossi had a wry smile on his face indicating it was soft.

The penalty was Cafu bringing down Vucinic but that was not given.

Milan lost playing badly to Empoli last week and Seedorf's shot was parried by Busce using his arm. He was not close to Seedorf and technically that was a penalty.

To the guy that said Milan beat Lazio 5-1 but the referee did not add 5 minutes, what would have been the point?
Lazio would have prefered more than Milan to end the game early.

Seedorf is not known as a dirty player and he is a big personality so it is understandable that he is given more leeway the same way Trez or Dp would be given as they are not hotheads like Nedved and Zebina.

I guess Chiellini fighting with Vieri is allowed.

Those guys on football shows in Italy are there to court controversy and thats about it, they analyse every little detail bring so much drama into it.

The fact still remains as long as we keep playing little red riding hood, the wolf would keep biting us in the ass, this aint no fairytale , its real life

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

to be fair, i don't think that roma deserved the penalty. yes ambrosini was pulling de rossi's shirt, but he let go when the ball was delivered probably because he didn't want to give away the penalty, and de rossi really exaggerated it by jumping backwards.

 

[oriax]

Thank u very much for this post !!
I always disagree with 90% of ur posts but at least ur not a blinded supporter like 99% of the people here.
I want evryone to read this post & understand it.
Yes we r a small Club now becoz we have a small Board,small manager & most of all Blinded supporters who through every mistake on conspiracies.
I hope the players are not thinking like the supporters coz if they r,we will play terribly gainst Empoli & Inter.
The Napoli's match was terrible,we lost becoz of the referee but how many teams in the world in every single league have lost about stupid decisions even more stupid than this.

It's true that the referee can make a mistake but do u remember the match against Genoa. There ware some mistakes too which weren't in our favour. And now this in Naples. In game against Udinese the referee didn't gave us penalty and disallowed a clear goal and in the match with Roma allowed a offside goal by Totti.
In two consecutive games the referees made a stupid decision and you want us to stay quiet bicoz we are a big club? And what if this happen all the season and this cost us a CL spot?! Do you think that even then we shouldn't complain at all? Or you think that if we don't complain the referees will start to reckon us as a big club again and will stop make stupid mistakes?
What do you think will happen if the referee give such a penalties against Milan? Yes they won't complain at all bicoz they are big club, right?
Yes the conspiracies are shit but the Calciopoli thing was just a conspiracy a few months before we got relegated and still lot's of ppl believed in it at the time.
Are we the only team capable of match fixing? And how we can explain the thing that the name of the referee of Napoli - Livorno game was announced on the Livorno's site 24 hours before the draw?

 

[Snoop]

so ?? would that mean that it will be an easy game for juve ??
i dont think so , empoli is not easy IMO if we dont play good , it is not a training match . do you remmember what happened in udinese match ??

man it sucks to be you

 

[Snoop]

By that comment I am sure you saw the game and you also saw that Doni was either injured or feigning injury everytime a Milan player went near him. The 5 minutes was justified and frankly I am tired of hearing about conspiracy in this place.

Funny you did not mention the phantom penalty and subsequent red card awarded against them.

You dont hear them bitching about it either

We have a thread as childish as Collina vs Juventus meaning the refereeing board is against us when it was just 1 incompetent referee.

I have not seen anything of the Napoli game but by all accounts the decisions were terrible.

For a Juventus fan it is so easy to spout out that because there was no evidence to support our guilt , it means we are innocent but it is prudent to make a thread of young boys versus Juventus by bringing Michale Jackson into it when he was acquitted of those charges. Double standards, but why am i not surprised.

I dont think there is a conspiracy but I do think there is a more worrying trend which a lot if not everybody is overlooking.

In the eyes of the referees we are NOW A SMALL CLUB.

It has nothing to do with whether we have Moggi at oour disposal or not or how competent or otherwise our board is we are now treated as a small club.

Judging by posts on here, who can blame them, only small clubs come come up with conspiracy theories all the time.

Zalayeta dived! Boo hoo ! Is he the first to dive? Would he be the last?

You have Everton screaming this crap and they are a small club compared tot he other sides.

You start threads in september for a match against Inter, our own manager and board are talking up Inter match in August and you guys don't expect to be treated as a small club?

Maybe if he pushed our chests out and act in an arrogant manner we would be respected more

No we are looking at how many minutes is added to Milan's games like it matters.

Milan cannot win at home but we are still worrying about how many minutes, looking for conspiracies here there and everywhere

You hire a manager without a personality and I am not sure what you are expecting from referees

Our brand of football is piss poor and while that did not matter in the past because we were a big team, we cannot get away with boring everyone to death but trying to nick victories.

Only big sides do that

Juve sempre is made a fool out of for speaking his mind and some truth but unless you spout out conspiracy noone wants to listen

You have a small club mentality then you are treated like a small club. A small club would always get penalties awarded against them if they commit the slightest offence in the box.

But don't worry console yourself on the fact that Morratti is behind everything and name every thread on here with particular reference to him or better yet tell people who do not buy your horsehit theory of conspiracy to go support another club because as a true supporter the only thing to believe is that all the clubs in Italy have gathered to conspire against the mighty Juventus

Most of those are like my thoughts except that "you hire a manager without a personality".. Ranieri is probably one of the best charachters we had in the last decade in this club. A classy man, he is focusing on his work ONLY, and giving very mature reports on media. What are you expecting him to do more than that??

 

[denco]

It's true that the referee can make a mistake but do u remember the match against Genoa. There ware some mistakes too which weren't in our favour. And now this in Naples. In game against Udinese the referee didn't gave us penalty and disallowed a clear goal and in the match with Roma allowed a offside goal by Totti.
In two consecutive games the referees made a stupid decision and you want us to stay quiet bicoz we are a big club? And what if this happen all the season and this cost us a CL spot?! Do you think that even then we shouldn't complain at all? Or you think that if we don't complain the referees will start to reckon us as a big club again and will stop make stupid mistakes?
What do you think will happen if the referee give such a penalties against Milan? Yes they won't complain at all bicoz they are big club, right?
Yes the conspiracies are shit but the Calciopoli thing was just a conspiracy a few months before we got relegated and still lot's of ppl believed in it at the time.
Are we the only team capable of match fixing? And how we can explain the thing that the name of the referee of Napoli - Livorno game was announced on the Livorno's site 24 hours before the draw?

By your theory, Livorno are smart enough to fix a game but dumb enough to broadcast the fact on their official site?

Noone is saying Juventus should not complain of cos you have to if decisions are going against you but to constantly say they are out to get us and there is a conspiracy smacks of a small club mentality.

I didnt see the game against Genoa so I cannot comment but against Udinese, I am not sure where your complaint is coming from as Dp was offside and the referee had blown before Iaquinta put the ball in the net.

We have been victims of some very poor officiating but we have also benefitted from it as well so I dont see where all the conspiracy is coming from.

The soft penalty against Livorno that put us 2-0 up, the Iaquinta goal against Fiorentina when Trezeguet is right in front of Frey, Chiellini getting away with a possible penalty and red card in the same game.

Trez was offside againt Torino because the rules states a player has to play the ball deliberately back to his goal to keep the opposition onside and not a deflection.

Shite happens everywhere no matter which club you are , its just the smaller clubs get it more than the big ones.

But to have 2 penalties blown against us in 2 different matches already this season is not normal and it means we are no more a big club sadly

 

[denco]

Most of those are like my thoughts except that "you hire a manager without a personality".. Ranieri is probably one of the best charachters we had in the last decade in this club. A classy man, he is focusing on his work ONLY, and giving very mature reports on media. What are you expecting him to do more than that??

Not having a football personality does not mean he has no class. Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho, Capello could be argued that they have no class but they have huge personalities and that is why you just cannot be giving silly decisions against them willy nilly. I am not insulting Ranieri's person but you have to admit he is not 1 of the big boys

 

[Snoop]

I still don't see why you claim he has no personality. He is not playing Thiago because he doesn't want to, he handled Chiellini's frustration back then in the best way, and other examples too, all of these are signs of good personality. Maybe if you share us some incidents that made you think so will make us agree.

 

[denco]

I still don't see why you claim he has no personality. He is not playing Thiago because he doesn't want to, he handled Chiellini's frustration back then in the best way, and other examples too, all of these are signs of good personality. Maybe if you share us some incidents that made you think so will make us agree.

Jesus, i simple meant he is not a larger than life figure, he is not a controversial person okay. It has nothing to do with his people's person or his tactical nous. He is just a very nice guy like Carlo Ancellotti not a controversial figure like Mourinho

 

[Snoop]

which is better.. we all know the whole Italians hate us, hiring a manager that will throw shit on other teams' managers week in week out will only make our image worse.

But if the subject was tactical, I would agree with you, he is not the one (my personal opinion) to take us to lead in the champions league, trophies after other, but he is doing good job there as well so far..

 

[Albertmare]

Referee From Napoli – Juve Banned For A Month

make it double , each penalty for 1 month banned :rolleyes2

 

[Juve per sempre]

By your theory, Livorno are smart enough to fix a game but dumb enough to broadcast the fact on their official site?

Noone is saying Juventus should not complain of cos you have to if decisions are going against you but to constantly say they are out to get us and there is a conspiracy smacks of a small club mentality.

I didnt see the game against Genoa so I cannot comment but against Udinese, I am not sure where your complaint is coming from as Dp was offside and the referee had blown before Iaquinta put the ball in the net.

We have been victims of some very poor officiating but we have also benefitted from it as well so I dont see where all the conspiracy is coming from.

The soft penalty against Livorno that put us 2-0 up, the Iaquinta goal against Fiorentina when Trezeguet is right in front of Frey, Chiellini getting away with a possible penalty and red card in the same game.

Trez was offside againt Torino because the rules states a player has to play the ball deliberately back to his goal to keep the opposition onside and not a deflection.

Shite happens everywhere no matter which club you are , its just the smaller clubs get it more than the big ones.

But to have 2 penalties blown against us in 2 different matches already this season is not normal and it means we are no more a big club sadly

Again !
U r sayin everything I want to say & honestly u r capable of making my point better than me.

 

[Albertmare]

By your theory, Livorno are smart enough to fix a game but dumb enough to broadcast the fact on their official site?

Noone is saying Juventus should not complain of cos you have to if decisions are going against you but to constantly say they are out to get us and there is a conspiracy smacks of a small club mentality.

I didnt see the game against Genoa so I cannot comment but against Udinese, I am not sure where your complaint is coming from as Dp was offside and the referee had blown before Iaquinta put the ball in the net.

We have been victims of some very poor officiating but we have also benefitted from it as well so I dont see where all the conspiracy is coming from.

The soft penalty against Livorno that put us 2-0 up, the Iaquinta goal against Fiorentina when Trezeguet is right in front of Frey, Chiellini getting away with a possible penalty and red card in the same game.

Trez was offside againt Torino because the rules states a player has to play the ball deliberately back to his goal to keep the opposition onside and not a deflection.

Shite happens everywhere no matter which club you are , its just the smaller clubs get it more than the big ones.

But to have 2 penalties blown against us in 2 different matches already this season is not normal and it means we are no more a big club sadly

Agreed for most of your post , but the last Paragraph That's Gross

 

[bianconeri-10]

im glad the ref was banned but what i think what serie a needs is some foreign refs, because there are some good Italian ones but a lot of shitty ones

hopefully juve can get out some anger against empoli by scoring some goals

 

[oriax]

By your theory, Livorno are smart enough to fix a game but dumb enough to broadcast the fact on their official site?

Noone is saying Juventus should not complain of cos you have to if decisions are going against you but to constantly say they are out to get us and there is a conspiracy smacks of a small club mentality.

I didnt see the game against Genoa so I cannot comment but against Udinese, I am not sure where your complaint is coming from as Dp was offside and the referee had blown before Iaquinta put the ball in the net.

We have been victims of some very poor officiating but we have also benefitted from it as well so I dont see where all the conspiracy is coming from.

The soft penalty against Livorno that put us 2-0 up, the Iaquinta goal against Fiorentina when Trezeguet is right in front of Frey, Chiellini getting away with a possible penalty and red card in the same game.

Trez was offside againt Torino because the rules states a player has to play the ball deliberately back to his goal to keep the opposition onside and not a deflection.

Shite happens everywhere no matter which club you are , its just the smaller clubs get it more than the big ones.

But to have 2 penalties blown against us in 2 different matches already this season is not normal and it means we are no more a big club sadly

No, I was just wondering how this is possible? And why Colina changed the referee for this game?

The penalty against Livorno did not have influence upon the game.
In the game with Fiorentina the things was 50/50 bicoz the referee give them debatable penalty at the end and our goal was debatable too.

The goal against Torino was not offssde bicoz the ball was intentional passed by Torino defender which means it's not offside. Even Colina said that!

 

[Dostoevsky]

Formation from gazzetta:

Injured players:Boumsong, Andrade
Banned:Nedved, Chiellini, Nocerino, Legrottaglie

JUVENTUS

4-4-2

Buffon
Salihamidzic
Grygera
Criscito
Molinaro
Marchionni
Zanetti
Almiron
Palladino
Iaquinta
Trezeguet

Bench:Belardi,Birindelli,Zebina,Olivera,Camoranesi,Tiago,Del Piero

 

[JCK]

Fucking imbeciles all of you, I closed the Napoli thread not to bring the bullshit in here.

NO MORE NAPOLI DISCUSSION BEYOND THIS POST

 

[Brixity]

Fortunately, we didnt lose too much ground in the last round of matches. We just have to look forward and hope the boys translate all their beef into goals. Sadly. Supersport wont be screening the game 4 me

 

[Red]

Formation from gazzetta:

Injured players:Boumsong, Andrade
Banned:Nedved, Chiellini, Nocerino, Legrottaglie

JUVENTUS

4-4-2

Buffon
Salihamidzic
Grygera
Criscito
Molinaro
Marchionni
Zanetti
Almiron
Palladino
Iaquinta
Trezeguet

Bench:Belardi,Birindelli,Zebina,Olivera,Camoranesi,Tiago,Del Piero

Very attack minded formation if true.

And even with all the injuries, still no chance for Tiago.

 

[Alen]

I don't understand why is Legrottaglie suspended
I thought he had only 3 YC's, not 4.

Not very important though. As Jack said earlier, he would have probably been rested and saved from getting the 4th YC, even if he had only 3 YC's.