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Bjerknes

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THE CHAMPIONS said:
I agrry with that Cap. is a systematic coach but if u saw the game well u'll understan that the reason that we loss was not the formation it was the laziness & the sleeping of our defenders in 2 cross.Believe me u will be surprised when u will see us winnig by 3 or 4 goals next weak,I can't stand another loss,it could hurt me badly!
It's not entirely the players' fault because every match in Europe its seemingly the same thing, unless we play a crappy side such a Brugge or Ajax in the group stage. The same thing happened last year against Madrid and then Liverpool where we went to the Bernabeu and Anfield respectively and were absolutely pathetic to say the least. Compare this with how these same players perform in Serie A and you see quite a difference...it's not the players' fault they have to stay chained to these antiquated tactics and are instructed to play at the same lethargic pace and build up no matter the opponents. There is no denying the quality of the likes of Cannavaro, Emerson, Vieira, Nedved, and others...considering these miserable performances are becoming a trend, the manager has to take the blame. Fair and simple.
 

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Stephan

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THE CHAMPIONS said:
I agrry with that Cap. is a systematic coach but if u saw the game well u'll understan that the reason that we loss was not the formation it was the laziness & the sleeping of our defenders in 2 cross.Believe me u will be surprised when u will see us winnig by 3 or 4 goals next weak,I can't stand another loss,it could hurt me badly!
i actually think not only those two crosses but all the game we looked a bit lazy, bremen was having more posetion and greating more, i mean it could have been 3:0 already HT, they really did make some good shot on target. we had like two counters with vieira and ibra, camoranesi hitting the crossbar from the corner and probably it in the first half.

and when trez scored second half, i was actually thinking like (first, game over for bremen) what a performance and we are actually winning....

but then happened that late drama and ofcourse i was even more dissapointed, the overall performance really was bad, our midifelders and forwards didnt look to understand each other, forwards didnt got many balls and we lacked of greativity.
 

Bjerknes

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Stephan said:
I agree with you, i mean look our squad, we have so balanced team, good defens(well if we are at our best XI when zambro is back) good midfield, i mean emo-vieira very good in defens, nedved/mutu camo good also, and look our attack, trez is just the best scorer and ibra/dp are also very solid....

we have very balanced team, we could attack and defend and etc, i mean look bremen, they dont have bad players but we have better players in every position and we should take advantage of it.

Everybody says Barca is the best in media, but imo they are best in attack and attackind midfield, but defens well imo puyol and marques are solid but can have ups-and-downs, that holland defender whos name i dont know how to write is not good imo, and their gk is average, he can make mistakes when his under pressure.
I agree, and Barcelona's defense is far from solid, however Rijkaard lets his team play to their strengths and control the opposition with posession and fluidity in attack. See, Capello doesn't let us play to our strengths...especially when he fields the same starting XI all the time and makes inform players such as Mutu and Del Piero sit on the bench. This is why I hate Capello.
 

Stephan

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Andy said:
It's not entirely the players' fault because every match in Europe its seemingly the same thing, unless we play a crappy side such a Brugge or Ajax in the group stage. The same thing happened last year against Madrid and then Liverpool where we went to the Bernabeu and Anfield respectively and were absolutely pathetic to say the least. Compare this with how these same players perform in Serie A and you see quite a difference...it's not the players' fault they have to stay chained to these antiquated tactics and are instructed to play at the same lethargic pace and build up no matter the opponents. There is no denying the quality of the likes of Cannavaro, Emerson, Vieira, Nedved, and others...considering these miserable performances are becoming a trend, the manager has to take the blame. Fair and simple.
again agreed. I mean real game away could really have been more then 1:0 and real didnt had good period in that time either, new coach had arrived and still they won and played really well at home and i was mad that team who had had problems in defens and had had a bad game in groupstages beat us, team who was winning ways in seria a.

we lack of aggresive play in away games, and we loose our heads when things are not going well...i remember with lippi we still showed courage and did create but with cap its like, ok lets play a game and get result at home! like, away games doesnt decide anything...
 

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Andy said:
I agree, and Barcelona's defense is far from solid, however Rijkaard lets his team play to their strengths and control the opposition with posession and fluidity in attack. See, Capello doesn't let us play to our strengths...especially when he fields the same starting XI all the time and makes inform players such as Mutu and Del Piero sit on the bench. This is why I hate Capello.

Saying the exact words from my mouth, Andrew.
 

Stephan

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i remember some juve fans said to me after bremen game that juve showed they are strong in defens( i was talking about first half that it could have been 3:0), they kept saying like juve played well in defens and where making bremen players tired, you know that stupid closed eyes talk, the trueth was that only buffon saved us from worse in the first half, it could have been 3:0, and they blamed buffon for the only goal, but imo blasi was the one who blame, bremen player got rid of blasi whit a back heel pass and buffon had nothing else to do to cover because blasi didnt ran back and our other defenders for some reason didnt notice him(it was micoud if i am right).

buffon was the best player in the first half imo
 

THE CHAMPIONS

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I respect all ur opinions about Cap. & sometimes I feel that way but I watched Cap. with Milan,Madrid & Roma & i know that he could play with different & great tactics like when we played Madrid at home last season with the TREDENT attack.Anyway I hope he proves me right.btw it seems like u all forgot thing that Lippi did.He was a great great coach & I have faith in him with the Azurri but u must all remember that he did also some horrible performencec like Juve vs Man Utd 2003 CL when we lost 3_0 in Turino.Losing to Deportivo at home & away in the CL without putting a goal.The semifinal against Man Utd in 1999.The 4_0 by Roma.so..................... every coach suffers a lot but we must all stand by Cap. & the whole team untill the END guys.Forza Juve & good night!
 
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    Andy said:
    I agree, and Barcelona's defense is far from solid, however Rijkaard lets his team play to their strengths and control the opposition with posession and fluidity in attack. See, Capello doesn't let us play to our strengths...especially when he fields the same starting XI all the time and makes inform players such as Mutu and Del Piero sit on the bench. This is why I hate Capello.
    Which is y we will definitely be knocked out of the CL if Capello doesn't change his tactics
     

    Snoop

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    Andy said:
    Yes I do, simply because we have the most solid starting XI in Europe

    huh!? Blasi and Balzaretti at the back, an old and out of form Nedved, and like you call it, a talentless Zlatan, not to forget an aged Thuram (your favourite) yeah right, we have the most solid starting XI, Real Madrid, Barcelona , CHelsea, Milan even Inter all have shitty squads comparing to us:rolleyes:
     

    Bjerknes

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    snoop said:
    huh!? Blasi and Balzaretti at the back, an old and out of form Nedved, and like you call it, a talentless Zlatan, not to forget an aged Thuram (your favourite) yeah right, we have the most solid starting XI, Real Madrid, Barcelona , CHelsea, Milan even Inter all have shitty squads comparing to us:rolleyes:
    Buffon

    Zebina - Thuram - Cannavaro - Zambrotta

    Camoranesi - Vieira - Emerson - Nedved

    Ibrahimovic - Trezeguet

    Yeah, that is certainly the most solid starting XI in Europe. It's not the most creative or the best defensively, however overall it's right up there with the best...and probably is the best when you look at the 7 players who play centrally. Sure, we were missing Zambrotta, however please don't fvcking tell me we can't cope without one player on the wing. But yeah, we didn't cope and the performance must be blamed on Capello because this is deja vu.

    Now replace Nedved with Mutu in a 4-3-3 formation and you have an even better starting XI. But Capello won't give us that..
     

    Snoop

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    Stephan said:
    snoop he is talking about our first XI, when our injured players are back
    well this is his quote, not mine:

    Yes I do, simply because we have the most solid starting XI in Europe yet continue to fail away from home in the Champions League and were just played off the park by a mediocre European side called Werder Bremen.

    Andy said:
    Buffon

    Zebina - Thuram - Cannavaro - Zambrotta

    Camoranesi - Vieira - Emerson - Nedved

    Ibrahimovic - Trezeguet

    Yeah, that is certainly the most solid starting XI in Europe. It's not the most creative or the best defensively, however overall it's right up there with the best...and probably is the best when you look at the 7 players who play centrally. Sure, we were missing Zambrotta, however please don't fvcking tell me we can't cope without one player on the wing. But yeah, we didn't cope and the performance must be blamed on Capello because this is deja vu.

    Now replace Nedved with Mutu in a 4-3-3 formation and you have an even better starting XI. But Capello won't give us that..
    We would no way play like that If Zambrotta and Zebina was there, are you ignoring the fact that Balzaretti and Blasi played like headless chiken against Bremen? this two are not a fiirst team material, playing both of them at the same time is like commiting a suicide. Also Mutu wasn't available who could make a difference (I am not sure If Cap would use him thou).

    We have a great squad, great names, but you also forgetting that we have out of form players like Emerson, Vieira and Zlatan. Also Nedved Thuram are great players with great careers, but ofcourse they are not as great as they were.

    I kinda blame the responsibles of transfering players, to not buy good backups at the start of the season, or at the winter transfer period at least.

    And you guys should understand, Capello is a 4-4-2 system coach, every coach has it's own systems, and they stay at that system the whole season, ofcourse minor changes happens, but you can't try a new system at the middle of the season. Let's wait and see what will happen first, then see If his system is all failure or not. so far it is working with all the tough luck we had with the injured players, we are leading in serie A by Miles, and we have a 2-3 away loss, which is also an advanatage, Wereder Bremen ishould worry of the 3-2 result, not us.
     
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    ZhiXin

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    Which is y we need to change the formation and attack Bremen, since Bremen always have the same starting 11 and the 4-4-2 diamond formation that can be easily exploited.
     

    juvechampions

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    At this time let's say , which team in europe plays the best football? In first leg of CL which team has done it so wonderful? It was the first game after the break and all the teams aren't at the top performance.No team was so impressive.
     

    Stephan

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    barca played well against 11 men chelsea, i saw the game and barca had the posetion and i thought like barca was the home team, after chelsea got player sent off, they actually started to have more posetion...
     

    Stephan

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    barkuss said:
    yes,he will have orgasmyc satisfaction on that :D

    I'm not following too much of Juve games this season but as I hear,our defence sucks big time in mid-season....right?

    you know zambro has been injured!
     

    Vinman

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    Dominic said:
    Would you actually take any satisfaction from being right on us losing everything?
    I'm sorry Dominic...I gave you way too much credit for being intelligent, but after a question like that, you've changed my mind

    and then I get this utterly stupid comment from sateeh-

    i cant believe that u would be Happy when ur prediction happens... u want to see the team loses just to prove a point..am just dissappointed
    how can you explain any of your points, and have ppl understand them when they jump to idiotic conclusions like this




    OK, boys and girls, let me explain this to you "Barney style"

    The Vinman will be very, very, very upset if Juve loses the scudetto and the CL, BUT, with this really, really evil and dumb man in charge named CRAPELLO, I see no other way that our team will win anything, and we wont live happily ever after :cry: :cry: .......
     

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