[Serie A] Juventus - Lecce (16 Viewers)

[sateeh]

well that seems to be the trend in europe these days, mybe ppl even call it modern football... with exception for Barca, many european teams play boring football and get results.
Just look at chelsea, liverpool.... for gods sake liverpool won the CL based on boring performances.

Many ppl here just forget abt the success in the league like its doesnt even matter... i know most ppl(me included) want to win the CL, but that didnt happen and doesnt look like it.


Mybe cuz cap isnt a CL coach, mybe hes a coach for the longer run of games, not the Knockout stages.For me if we dont win the CL its ok cuz we have a great chance to win the Scudetto.

But i have a couple of questions :

How come nobody critisized Lippi for the performance of the team in the final of Cl against Milan? i thought the team looked awful and milan fully deserved their win.

And
isnt the Scudetto enough ? one loss in i dont know how many league doesnt satisfy many ppl here ?.. beating teams like Inter twice, Roma ,Bayern.Ten points clear from the closest team.Everything just disappears in the thin air.

i know that cap is an adaptable coach, we've seen his teams play mybe the best football in europe, but not in juve... cuz he sees this tactic &formation as the best suited..in Serie A hes going on by " if it ai'nt broken why fix it "...
i know in CL we need a little more flexibilty, thats my main problem with cap.i dont care abt performances that much, wat i care abt is the tactic or formation that could get the best results....
but i trust cap..so imo he will try to get the best results

 

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[Snoop]

I don't think that's true at all. A Lacki simply has another oppinion about our play and results than you and Vinman do. Doesn't mean he is as arrogant about other oppinions such as yourself.

It's not about ignoring our relatively bad play, is just about being needlessy pessimistic and about patronising the oppinions of others.

I agree on that about A Lacki


Nobody is saying here we were raping Werder Bremen, yes we played bad but their Defense was not any better than ours, are you people Blind to not see the chances we missed? I just hope if both Zambo and Zebina be available against them, or at least one of them, to see who's living in a "fantasy world".

 

[Desmond]

What people often do not realize is that when we criticize the team despite winning is that negative performances have long term repurcussions. While it is true that it hardly matters how we won the game as long as we did, when you play in a league spanning 38 games there's plenty of opportunity for past mistakes to come back and haunt you. We may have a knack of winning games when we don't play well, but that's not always the case and certainly that factor isn't something we should be relying on and accepting substandard performances.

Like a wise man once told me, a mistake is not a mistake. A repeated mistake is.

 

[A_LAcki]

I still don't know why some of you keeps on moaning and defending Capello.

We might pass Bremen on the 7th, but I doubt our team reaching Paris Airport in may....Last year Capello was praised for our 28th Scud and was also defended after the L'Pool's game as If It's not his fault. FFS, It's up to him whether to let his men play an attackin football or not It's up to him to change that boring old fashion 4-4-2 that reminds me of Trap's 02-04 with the Azzurri, though Traps formation was way much more Interesting.

I just don't understand these people who keeps on asking us to wait for the return leg and then talk....Why the hell should we wait for the 2nd leg when we already can finish this from the start...??? Why do we always have to put ourselves in these sitiuations...?? Yet, nobody would answer this question.
And just for the record, Bremen was beaten 4days before we played them by team that is already preparing for Germany Regional League - North and waving goodbye for the Bundesliga. Funny, ehh???

I'd like somebody to explain me the 17shots that Buffon recieved in the first half, not to forget the poss of the ball they got....

I'm not a pessimist person at all....I always had and still have faith in this team...I just don't wanna smell another Liverpool pathetic perfomance. Our squad is waay better than that. It's up to Capello to know how to use it.

About the Capello thing: If he likes to play the old fashion style, thats still quite successful, let him do that. Thats his philosophie about football. Playing unspectacular to get the result needed. Thats the good old Italian style and he won't change that philosophie from one day to another. As long as we are successful, I won't think about critic, when we are without a title at the end, we should ask ourselves, what went wrong? Don't judge the season in its mid.

About the Werder thing: Not one single CL duel is yet decided. Even Real have chances to get back. And still, every team shows double motivation when facing Juve, so forget about it. Its over, lets concentrate on the second leg. When we won't pass this one, we can start to find solution, but right now we are in the halftime, and nobody knows what the second half will be. Who knows, maybe we will score the shit out of em? Lets be optimistic and hope the good old Juve spirit shows up again!

 

[ZhiXin]

Everything can turn into a fight these days, be it a win, draw or lost for Juve,

 

[JCK]

The problem that I've been noticing on this forum is the lack of respect. If someone does not agree with another on a certain opinion, either he's insulted or his IQ is questioned.

 

[ZhiXin]

The problem that I've been noticing on this forum is the lack of respect. If someone does not agree with another on a certain opinion, either he's insulted or his IQ is questioned.

This is what I wrote quite a few months back

I don't see any problem with any of the comments, but I feel that it is the professionalism that matters, and this is the main culprit for the drop in the standard of this forum due to some lack of professionalism.

 

[sateeh]

exactly a bit lack of respect

 

[THE CHAMPIONS]

Sccudetto Shmudetto LoooooooooooooooooooooL

 

[Gep]

Our defence are playing like a bunch of homos at the mo. Sort that out .......Zambrotta hurry back boyo! WE NEED YOU FAST!!!


Balzaretti you suck man! ........No Really You DO!!!!!!!

 

[THE CHAMPIONS]

About the Capello thing: If he likes to play the old fashion style, thats still quite successful, let him do that. Thats his philosophie about football. Playing unspectacular to get the result needed. Thats the good old Italian style and he won't change that philosophie from one day to another. As long as we are successful, I won't think about critic, when we are without a title at the end, we should ask ourselves, what went wrong? Don't judge the season in its mid.

About the Werder thing: Not one single CL duel is yet decided. Even Real have chances to get back. And still, every team shows double motivation when facing Juve, so forget about it. Its over, lets concentrate on the second leg. When we won't pass this one, we can start to find solution, but right now we are in the halftime, and nobody knows what the second half will be. Who knows, maybe we will score the shit out of em? Lets be optimistic and hope the good old Juve spirit shows up again!

Tottaly agree man & also u can all critisize Cap when we do bad performences but questionning his ability & calling him Crap when every football fan in the world dream to see him coaching his team is just Stupid!

 

[THE CHAMPIONS]

Our defence are playing like a bunch of homos at the mo. Sort that out .......Zambrotta hurry back boyo! WE NEED YOU FAST!!!


Balzaretti you suck man! ........No Really You DO!!!!!!!

wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Balza played 6 or 7 matches on a row without a falt & he was one of the best players in this squad in these last days.The inly bad performence he produced was against Bremen.It seems like u didnt watch any of Juve's games in the last 2 monthes.

 

[Vinman]

The problem that I've been noticing on this forum is the lack of respect. If someone does not agree with another on a certain opinion, either he's insulted or his IQ is questioned.

hey Jeeks, if you are referring to my comments to Dominic, it had nothing to do with his opinion about our team.

It had EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he took my comments out of context, and jumped to a conclusion that I would be happy if we got knocked out of the CL, as did sateeh

 

[JCK]

hey Jeeks, if you are referring to my comments to Dominic, it had nothing to do with his opinion about our team.

It had EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he took my comments out of context, and jumped to a conclusion that I would be happy if we got knocked out of the CL, as did sateeh

I am not referring to anyone in particular actually, I wasn't expecting anyone to give an excuse for his actions, it is an observation I have noticed. That's all.

 

[HelterSkelter]

i could be wrong,but there seems to be an anti-capello feeling amongst the majority of the posters here.he tends to get more criticism than he deserves imo.

 

[sateeh]

i could be wrong,but there seems to be an anti-capello feeling amongst the majority of the posters here.he tends to get more criticism than he deserves imo.

thats true, some people expect more from him.... not only the great things thats hes doing.

thats my guess

 

[ZhiXin]

thats true, some people expect more from him.... not only the great things thats hes doing.

thats my guess

I actually dislike Capello for a variety of reasons

1. He tends to get more criticism than he deserves in this forum, but it is the complete opposite in the real football world.

2. He fits players into his 4-4-2 formation instead of capitalizing on their abilities and use them for different formations in certain circumstances. Compare him to Mourinho/Benitez

3. The treatment of both Tacchinardi and Maresca still leaves me fuming

4. Treatment of certain players, mainly Del Piero, Camoranesi and Mutu

 

[HelterSkelter]

can anyone seriously argue with his track record?im not a big fan of his either.but can u question his track record?people talk about mourinho and bentiez.they are babies compared to capello.
people like capello,trapptoni,ferguson etc are some of the best managers of modern times.their track records speak for themselves.true,their tactics at times might not be the greatest in the world but they deliver at the end of the day.

true,benitez and mourinho are good coaches,but u cant compare them to ppl who have been around for the last 20 years.benitez and mourinho have just begun whereas the others have been there and done the business.

look at benitez and mourinho in 15 years time,and then we'd be able to compare them with capello.you simply cannot compare them with capello.no matter what people say,capello has one hell of a track record.even though he only has 1 CL win to his name,but hey benitez and mourinho only have 1 CL to their name too.and i dont remember them winning the league with 4 different teams in 2 different countries.

u cannot compare benitez and mourinho to the don at the current point in time.

 

[THE CHAMPIONS]

I actually dislike Capello for a variety of reasons

1. He tends to get more criticism than he deserves in this forum, but it is the complete opposite in the real football world.

2. He fits players into his 4-4-2 formation instead of capitalizing on their abilities and use them for different formations in certain circumstances. Compare him to Mourinho/Benitez

3. The treatment of both Tacchinardi and Maresca still leaves me fuming

4. Treatment of certain players, mainly Del Piero, Camoranesi and Mutu

I agree on the first 2 points but if his mentality works,then let it be.For the 3rd point,every coach is convinced with some players & some no & Cap. is not convinced with Tachhi or Enzo & he saw that they don't have a place in his team so he let them go away so they could find first team football.The last point is a matter of coach judgement,believe me man he doesnt intend to treat these players badly he just thunks in a different way that u think!

 

[ZhiXin]

can anyone seriously argue with his track record?im not a big fan of his either.but can u question his track record?people talk about mourinho and bentiez.they are babies compared to capello.
people like capello,trapptoni,ferguson etc are some of the best managers of modern times.their track records speak for themselves.true,their tactics at times might not be the greatest in the world but they deliver at the end of the day.

true,benitez and mourinho are good coaches,but u cant compare them to ppl who have been around for the last 20 years.benitez and mourinho have just begun whereas the others have been there and done the business.

look at benitez and mourinho in 15 years time,and then we'd be able to compare them with capello.you simply cannot compare them with capello.no matter what people say,capello has one hell of a track record.even though he only has 1 CL win to his name,but hey benitez and mourinho only have 1 CL to their name too.and i dont remember them winning the league with 4 different teams in 2 different countries.

u cannot compare benitez and mourinho to the don at the current point in time.

Capello's system is not good at times. Sometimes it doesn't take time to learn about tactics, but how u use them. As for track record, I have wrote it somewhere b4. It just hides some facts. Not to say that I'm not happy with it, but there r a few things that cannot be judged by looking at stats alone. Winning a CL requires luck and a lot of work to do. You will be battling against top teams in different European leagues. Well maybe u wil still hate Liverpool for being so lucky, but without Benitez, they couldn't have gone that far and get walloped by us. This is the type of coach that knows when to use formations as Gerrard simply killed the game in the 1st half. When u know how to crush a team, u know how to, regardless of experience.
For example, we have been crushed by Bremen, a totally attacking team that only uses the 4-4-2 diamond formation when we could have easily defeated them with a change in formation and rape them in the flanks.

I like Trapattoni and Lippi more, but somehow in my opinion, Trap is an old time coach that deserves some respect. Lippi is another fella who is more "Juventus" and IMO I think he knows how to handle both Juventus and the Italian team. Lippi is the coach that goes all out and dares to try.

If there is another coach in my mind, I wouldn't mind Carlo Mazzone.