[Serie A] Juventus - Fiorentina (15 Viewers)

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
goggo said:
First espectro I know Zlatan our ex moderator in person, we were in high school togheter and now we are studying together.

Second I'm not very big fan of Zlatan, but i'ts going on my nerves that he is only player who we blame for our defeats. I hate too his lazynes on the field, especially that he showed against Arsenal.

Third you can't compare Viera and Ibra. Arsenal fans never booed Viera.

And forth Del Piero is really special one for every true Juve fan. And ofcourse I didn't mean't literally thet Ibra was our best player. I'm not Alex or Ibra fan, I'm a fan of every Juve player who gives 100% of himself. (Just like you said, players like Canna, Zambro, Nedved) All I wanted to say is that Ibra is not only one to blame, and that he gonna play good again, because every single player and team must go trough crisis (the fact is thaht Juve, and Ibra crisis is taking too long)
But the problem is that Capello is always playing Ibrahimovic,and even if he shows very bad,which was very often this season,Capello is leaving him in the game and changing Trez or Mutu or Del Piero.Something is wrong out there.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,643
ThePLaya said:
is it good or bad ?

we played to win scud and we allraedy did if its good performance then we should be in serie B ,, that's not the point !


we did play some Fantastic matches but it always depends on the Juve situation !

we are the only team who lost 1 match and you know what was the reason?
So your saying we only had scudetto in mind? what about europe? why we failed again, got beaten by another english club, and cant say cap hasnt had enough expierences when it comes to playing against english clubs, in his roma days, he had two times arsenal in groupstage, also liverpool once. and arsenal beat roma 3:1 at rome once. and with liverpool another draw, that time 1:1.

And now he has same problems with juventus, a team who should be better than roma was then. Still same problems, mistakes.

Thats the problem with cap, he concentrates 95% on seria a and 5% on CL. Not forgetting wrong desicions when it comes to making subs and well what is going on with ibra, if cap is so good coach, why he cant get ibra form back. and why he hasnt heard anything about word ROTATION.

:(
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
I must agree with the fact that Cappelo made the fans hate Ibrahimovic. Sitting better Alex on the bench instead bad looking Ibrahimovic made things worst.

Maybe Cappelo still don't know who Del Piero is and what he means to Juve fans??? :)
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,390
goggo said:
First espectro I know Zlatan our ex moderator in person, we were in high school togheter and now we are studying together.

Second I'm not very big fan of Zlatan, but i'ts going on my nerves that he is only player who we blame for our defeats. I hate too his lazynes on the field, especially that he showed against Arsenal.

Third you can't compare Viera and Ibra. Arsenal fans never booed Viera.

And forth Del Piero is really special one for every true Juve fan. And ofcourse I didn't mean't literally thet Ibra was our best player. I'm not Alex or Ibra fan, I'm a fan of every Juve player who gives 100% of himself. (Just like you said, players like Canna, Zambro, Nedved) All I wanted to say is that Ibra is not only one to blame, and that he gonna play good again, because every single player and team must go trough crisis (the fact is thaht Juve, and Ibra crisis is taking too long)
I will tell you why Zlatan gets the most of blames among the players.

When you are a player and you are given the nod to start a game, you are given a responsibility that you have to stand up to. You as a player are given a task and you have to accomplish.

Zlatan is not being up to the responsibility and instead of not doing the job, he's making it harder for others to do the job. That was one point.

There is another thing that makes Zlatan take more blame than others, his playing time. He gets to play a lot and he still is not up to it. I am sure Zebina is worse than him, but Zebina was injured most of the season and he did not play, one can either give an excuse to his performance or give an excuse. As for Zlatan there is no excuse.

A very important thing is the blame, no one is putting the whole blame on Zlatan for bad performance; however, the player is the one who is most criticized because of the reasons mentioned above.

And finally, let us face it, considering all the parameters of playing time, the job that each player is to do and the discipline, he is by far our worst player this season and still starts almost every game and gets to play the whole ninety minutes.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,643
goggo said:
First espectro I know Zlatan our ex moderator in person, we were in high school togheter and now we are studying together.

Second I'm not very big fan of Zlatan, but i'ts going on my nerves that he is only player who we blame for our defeats. I hate too his lazynes on the field, especially that he showed against Arsenal.

Third you can't compare Viera and Ibra. Arsenal fans never booed Viera.

And forth Del Piero is really special one for every true Juve fan. And ofcourse I didn't mean't literally thet Ibra was our best player. I'm not Alex or Ibra fan, I'm a fan of every Juve player who gives 100% of himself. (Just like you said, players like Canna, Zambro, Nedved) All I wanted to say is that Ibra is not only one to blame, and that he gonna play good again, because every single player and team must go trough crisis (the fact is thaht Juve, and Ibra crisis is taking too long)


Then why cap doesnt rotate the team? we have mutu/dp on the bench who can take his position while he is on the bench. But no, always same starting XI, and all those excuses, he gives assists bla bla, mutu/dp are better supporting players, the reason why we havent scored enough recently are these:

-ibra doesnt give enought support to trez
-wrong formation, thats cap problem
-players playing in wrong positions, nedved/mutu on the wing for example-

:(
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
Stephan said:
So your saying we only had scudetto in mind? what about europe? why we failed again, got beaten by another english club, and cant say cap hasnt had enough expierences when it comes to playing against english clubs, in his roma days, he had two times arsenal in groupstage, also liverpool once. and arsenal beat roma 3:1 at rome once. and with liverpool another draw, that time 1:1.

And now he has same problems with juventus, a team who should be better than roma was then. Still same problems, mistakes.

Thats the problem with cap, he concentrates 95% on seria a and 5% on CL. Not forgetting wrong desicions when it comes to making subs and well what is going on with ibra, if cap is so good coach, why he cant get ibra form back. and why he hasnt heard anything about word ROTATION.

:(
There should be great concetration of the luck to win the C.L.,and as we may see it is not needed to secure the domestic title and focuse to the C.L.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
Cappelo made me sweard thousand of times because his decisions, especially decisions about leaving Alex on the bench, and playing Zebina.

But one thing tha hurted me is our game against Milan in Turin. They played with ten mens, and we even didn't try to win the game. I know that every other team would try to exploit that, but not Cappelo's Juve
 

Stevie

..........
Mar 30, 2003
20,880
My first ever time rating players.

Abbiati- 6. done well with the penalty. hadn't a lot to do but still done well. no mistakes.

zebina- 4.5. Stupid foul on Toni but Imo tried hard to make up for it. wasnt as bad as made out to be but still had a below average game.

thuram- 5. made a few stupid mistakes but lifted my spirtit when he sprinted and made a great tackle round the middle of the field in the 1st half.

Kovac- 6. I honestly thought he had a good game. Made some crucial tackles.

Zambrotta- 6. Solid in defence and like in quite a few matches this season looked like he was Juve's only player who might have the ability to create chances.

Gianachedda- 6. Made very few mistakes. Solid performance. actually done well to prevent a goal by at least turning the ball onto the post.

Viera- 6. Had his best game in a long time but gave away too many freekicks and fouled to much. Was Juve's best player in the dying minutes of the match. Unlucky to only hit the crossbar.

Nedved- 5. Poor game. done very little in attack but still gave his all. poor tackler.

Camoranasi-5. I feel intitled to expect a lot more from him like i do with a lot of Juve's players of late. Very average but shudnt of been subbed.

Zlatan- 5.5. Had a good first half in my opinion. done well to set up Del Piero in the first half. wasnt his worst performance of late but i still want him to go at the end of the season. made too many unforgivable mistakes in front of goal and gave away some stupid freekicks.

Del Piero. 6. I wasnt expecting a lot from him concidering he is only back from injury. Shouldnt of been subbed. Great goal, Proved again why he is so important to this team. had a quiet game otherwise. Loved seeing him on his feet supporting the team after he was subbed, whata legend.

Overall i think that individually there were some good performances but as a team they sucked. Was an improvment at best and there were less long balls thnk fuck. Still dissapointed and expect more. couldnt even be bothered wasted any more time slagging Capello cause its all been said before.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
goggo said:
Cappelo made me sweard thousand of times because his decisions, especially decisions about leaving Alex on the bench, and playing Zebina.

But one thing tha hurted me is our game against Milan in Turin. They played with ten mens, and we even didn't try to win the game. I know that every other team would tray to exploit that
Pay attention on the game Chelsea-Arsenal this year...Del Horno was sent off,and Chelsea scored from the one simple chance,first....Gattuso was sent off in 70.min of the game and imagine what would happen if Milan scored than.
 

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