[Serie A] Juventus 5-1 Sampdoria, Oct 28th, 2009 (22 Viewers)

[Tomice]

Then there is no need to focus on Cassano or any other specific Sapdoria player because that will only make our ineptness up front worse. Once we work on improving our game up front, some stability in the middle and in the back will see us in a much better situation that when losing silly balls.

It all start with our inability to be leathel.
We concede goals cause teams arent afraid to attack us with many players, we dont have the leathel counter or any efficency infront of the goal to make them think twice before joining the offence.

Once we solve our final third problem it will be much easier to defende, against fewer players.

The solution is defenitly not fielding two target men.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

Samp are no pushovers, but they are still a midtable club, and midtable clubs are usually poor away from home. Juve will control and win this game

 

[blondu]

Let them, I find it funny how they act, scared and that Cassano alone god knows what he will do. I got used to them.

i'm not afraid of one man because if you mark him well he won't move a muscle..the thing is that last season he did deliver the assist.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Cassano is an excellent player, our defense should pay him the necessary attention but not cower in fear

 

[IrishZebra]

Only Messi can scare Giorgio

 

[Alen]

Hmm, nobody reacted on the "passes" stats, eh?

Don't you guys find it strange? Look at the full list:
http://sport.virgilio.it/calcio/serie-a/statistiche/squadre/passaggi-utili.html

Up until this year, ALWAYS, Juve were in the middle of the list. Always between 9-13 place. We were never a passing team. We were a hit and run team and these tactics were successful in Capello's time, ok but not as successful in Ranieri's time (due to the poorer quality of the players).
This year we're third, right behind Milan and Inter.

In these last years it was always Milan-Roma-Inter and Juve had thousands and thousands of passes less than these three teams.

Now something's changed. We pass the ball much more than we did. We're not very good at it though so most of these passes are useless, so we suffer.

Now look at Sampdoria. Third from behind and yet 2nd on the table.
Sampdoria play exactly the same way Juve used to play in the past. Strong defense, long balls from their half to Cassano, and Cassano's job is to do the rest with Pazzini in front of him and Mannini coming from behind.

There is no reason not to expect the same on this match. Sampdoria will let us have the possession and they will hit us on counters. You can bet on this.
So those who say that marking Cassano will be the key for this game are right. Lets not make fun of what they say because they are indeed right.
Samp won't take the initiative, won't have the possession. They will simply play their game and their game is defend+long ball to Cassano on counter+Cassano to do something out of nothing.
If we stop Cassano, even man mark him, we'll take their main weapon away from them. If we intercept those long passes and stop Cassano from receiving the ball, we'll do half of the job and we can keep pushing them into their own box, and score goals eventually. If we score one first, then Sampdoria will not be able to play their game. Knowing Ferrara we'll let them have more of the ball, and Sampdoria are not good at this.
Then we can beat them with their own weapon. We can be the ones who'll kill them on counters. But we'll need more than Diego to do this. We'll need Giovinco.

 

[IrishZebra]

The long ball game is not tactical genius it's like something out of Dream Team

 

[Red]

Hmm, nobody reacted on the "passes" stats, eh?

Don't you guys find it strange? Look at the full list:
http://sport.virgilio.it/calcio/serie-a/statistiche/squadre/passaggi-utili.html

Up until this year, ALWAYS, Juve were in the middle of the list. Always between 9-13 place. We were never a passing team. We were a hit and run team and these tactics were successful in Capello's time, ok but not as successful in Ranieri's time (due to the poorer quality of the players).
This year we're third, right behind Milan and Inter.

In these last years it was always Milan-Roma-Inter and Juve had thousands and thousands of passes less than these three teams.

Now something's changed. We pass the ball much more than we did. We're not very good at it though so most of these passes are useless, so we suffer.

Now look at Sampdoria. Third from behind and yet 2nd on the table.
Sampdoria play exactly the same way Juve used to play in the past. Strong defense, long balls from their half to Cassano, and Cassano's job is to do the rest with Pazzini in front of him and Mannini coming from behind.

There is no reason not to expect the same on this match. Sampdoria will let us have the possession and they will hit us on counters. You can bet on this.
So those who say that marking Cassano will be the key for this game are right. Lets not make fun of what they say because they are indeed right.
Samp won't take the initiative, won't have the possession. They will simply play their game and their game is defend+long ball to Cassano on counter+Cassano to do something out of nothing.
If we stop Cassano, even man mark him, we'll take their main weapon away from them. If we intercept those long passes and stop Cassano from receiving the ball, we'll do half of the job and we can keep pushing them into their own box, and score goals eventually. If we score one first, then Sampdoria will not be able to play their game. Knowing Ferrara we'll let them have more of the ball, and Sampdoria are not good at this.
Then we can beat them with their own weapon. We can be the ones who'll kill them on counters. But we'll need more than Diego to do this. We'll need Giovinco.

I was going to respond, but I decided I don't need to pay attention to your damn stats now that you aren't a mod.


This significant change of style, both in terms of shape and intent to keep possession, this season is precisely why I believe people need to be patient.

Having spend many years playing 4-4-2 and a good few of those playing in way that actively avoided having possession, I don't think folk realise how difficult it is to change that overnight.

There are definitely parallels to be drawn between Ranieri's Juve with Del Piero and this Samp side and thier reliance on Cassano.

Would you man mark Cassano?

 

[IrishZebra]

I'd get Giorgio and Momo to share the duty

 

[Ahmed]

Traitor will kill Cassano

 

[Red]

I'd get Giorgio and Momo to share the duty

I'm not sure it would be advisable to get one of the back four, especially a CB, to do the marking as it could really mess up the shape of the team.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Hmm, nobody reacted on the "passes" stats, eh?

Don't you guys find it strange? Look at the full list:
http://sport.virgilio.it/calcio/serie-a/statistiche/squadre/passaggi-utili.html

Up until this year, ALWAYS, Juve were in the middle of the list. Always between 9-13 place. We were never a passing team. We were a hit and run team and these tactics were successful in Capello's time, ok but not as successful in Ranieri's time (due to the poorer quality of the players).
This year we're third, right behind Milan and Inter.

In these last years it was always Milan-Roma-Inter and Juve had thousands and thousands of passes less than these three teams.

Now something's changed. We pass the ball much more than we did. We're not very good at it though so most of these passes are useless, so we suffer.

Now look at Sampdoria. Third from behind and yet 2nd on the table.
Sampdoria play exactly the same way Juve used to play in the past. Strong defense, long balls from their half to Cassano, and Cassano's job is to do the rest with Pazzini in front of him and Mannini coming from behind.

There is no reason not to expect the same on this match. Sampdoria will let us have the possession and they will hit us on counters. You can bet on this.
So those who say that marking Cassano will be the key for this game are right. Lets not make fun of what they say because they are indeed right.
Samp won't take the initiative, won't have the possession. They will simply play their game and their game is defend+long ball to Cassano on counter+Cassano to do something out of nothing.
If we stop Cassano, even man mark him, we'll take their main weapon away from them. If we intercept those long passes and stop Cassano from receiving the ball, we'll do half of the job and we can keep pushing them into their own box, and score goals eventually. If we score one first, then Sampdoria will not be able to play their game. Knowing Ferrara we'll let them have more of the ball, and Sampdoria are not good at this.
Then we can beat them with their own weapon. We can be the ones who'll kill them on counters. But we'll need more than Diego to do this. We'll need Giovinco.

I read the passing statistics earlier I just didn't have anything to add, I think our passing game is good start, it needs significant improvement but with time our players will get better

 

[IrishZebra]

I'm not sure it would be advisable to get one of the back four, especially a CB, to do the marking as it could really mess up the shape of the team.

I meant for him to do what he did to Ibra

 

[Luca]

Ditto with red, our formation in really reliant on the effectiveness of the midfield and this will come with time and getting the combination of the 3 midfielders right, this will allow us to get the nessacary space and time in midfield to dictate games.

 

[JBF]

Hmm, nobody reacted on the "passes" stats, eh?

Don't you guys find it strange? Look at the full list:
http://sport.virgilio.it/calcio/serie-a/statistiche/squadre/passaggi-utili.html

Up until this year, ALWAYS, Juve were in the middle of the list. Always between 9-13 place. We were never a passing team. We were a hit and run team and these tactics were successful in Capello's time, ok but not as successful in Ranieri's time (due to the poorer quality of the players).
This year we're third, right behind Milan and Inter.

In these last years it was always Milan-Roma-Inter and Juve had thousands and thousands of passes less than these three teams.

Now something's changed. We pass the ball much more than we did. We're not very good at it though so most of these passes are useless, so we suffer.

Now look at Sampdoria. Third from behind and yet 2nd on the table.
Sampdoria play exactly the same way Juve used to play in the past. Strong defense, long balls from their half to Cassano, and Cassano's job is to do the rest with Pazzini in front of him and Mannini coming from behind.

There is no reason not to expect the same on this match. Sampdoria will let us have the possession and they will hit us on counters. You can bet on this.
So those who say that marking Cassano will be the key for this game are right. Lets not make fun of what they say because they are indeed right.
Samp won't take the initiative, won't have the possession. They will simply play their game and their game is defend+long ball to Cassano on counter+Cassano to do something out of nothing.
If we stop Cassano, even man mark him, we'll take their main weapon away from them. If we intercept those long passes and stop Cassano from receiving the ball, we'll do half of the job and we can keep pushing them into their own box, and score goals eventually. If we score one first, then Sampdoria will not be able to play their game. Knowing Ferrara we'll let them have more of the ball, and Sampdoria are not good at this.
Then we can beat them with their own weapon. We can be the ones who'll kill them on counters. But we'll need more than Diego to do this. We'll need Giovinco.

It's a shame to think that Sampdoria will only hit us on the counter as they have a very organised team offinsivley and thats by looking at the stats you adore Alan as they have 17 goals to their name while we have a poor 13 and we are stronger deffensively as we have conceded 7 while they have 8 to their name.

But thats not all, if we look back at our recent matches excluding the Haifa game...we we were terribly awful in the middle of the park as we never managed to get forward and even when we did it was useless as we never really created an danger to the opposition's goal.

What is more, we weren't that good in defence too as we were too slow to get back and run after the ball. so i believe that in order to win this game we really have to hit those Samps hard,fast and effective so obviously we'll have to play the 4-2-3-1 formation with Sissoko the one getting forward while Melo can sit back, relax and enjoy the show. then just then Samp will crack and if the dont we'll still have an organised deffence that can block them out anytime.

 

[El Santo]

I didn't watch the game against siena, but a lot of people are criticizing our gameplay. While their giving nothing but praise to sampdorias'. It will be tuff, but I believe we'll get the win. I have a feeling ferrera will use the 4 2 3 1 formatin for this game.

 

[Dominic]

Diego+Giovinco action please.

 

[Suns]

Diego+Giovinco action please.

Dude, we're playing Sampdoria, they are ahead of us in which means that we have to play defensively. So expect 3 defensive midfielders and crappy game from our side.

 

[RAMI-N]

Dude, we're playing Sampdoria, they are ahead of us in which means that we have to play defensively. So expect 3 defensive midfielders and crappy game from our side.

 

[AV-7]

As Alen said they will rely on counter attacks. It is too risky to play 4-2-3-1, specially with our average fullbacks. The best thing to do is to play 4-3-1-2 but with Giovinco and a striker (probably Amauri). As for the midfield, Camo should start. Palombo is a very good DM, he has the ability to perfectly mark Diego, he will definitely need Camo's boost. For the defense the problems is weather it's Caceres or Grygera cz Cassano will be on that side. last game caceres' defending was good but still, against Lazio he was very bad during one-on-ones, and Grygera is having a very bad season. So it's all up to Ciro.