[Serie A] JUVENTUS 3-1 Catania (Feb. 18th 2012) (15 Viewers)

[Fellas]

Lol at the missing thing, as a striker like Higuain would miss the same chances as Matri? If we don´t score on our chances then thats a sign that we need players who can finish better. If we create chances and miss them? is it the formations fault or the players missing them?

 

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[JCK]

Lol at the missing thing, as a striker like Higuain would miss the same chances as Matri? If we don´t score on our chances then thats a sign that we need players who can finish better. If we create chances and miss them? is it the formations fault or the players missing them?

When you have these players at hand and they are known to miss chances then you have to adapt. Why did we score more goals when we were playing the 4-3-3?

 

[Sarunas]

When you have these players at hand and they are known to miss chances then you have to adapt. Why did we score more goals when we were playing the 4-3-3?

Because Pepe and Matri were playing better at that time. Hopefully, it's just a drop in form for both of them, but what I actually see is them overachieving at that time and coming back to their usual ones.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

I agree that the 4-3-3 is way better.. It also give players like Marchisio more space to take in the attacking area.. But I also agree that Conte can't be the one to blame for the players missing the chances..

 

[JCK]

We scored 30 goals in 16 matches with the 4-3-3 that is just less than 2 goals per match.
We scored 6 goals in 6 matches with the 3-5-2, that is one goal per match. We almost dropped our average by half.

Were we using different forwards back then? No, Vucinic and Matri started almost all our games. But the difference is that other players used to score, not only the forwards. When you field a different formation you allow different movements. When you play a 4-3-3 for example it gives Marchisio more freedom to play a classical box-to-box, in the 3-5-2 he is simply useless and if Conte insists on that pussy formation then he'd better use another player than Marchisio.

When you play a 4-3-3 Lichtsteiner has a much better use because he is a full back not a winger. Modern football relies heavily on the flanks and now we are using a player out of position. And what is the solution that Conte came with? He benches Lichtsteiner because he wants to use his pussy formation and fields Pepe there. Where was Pepe playing at his best this season? Yes, as a winger in a 4-3-3. What how much he will fail today, I wish I am proven wrong but I can't see anything but fail on our right side tonight.

Why do you think Matri was scoring and all of a sudden stopped? He had Vucinic on one side and Pepe on the other, how is the shape now? Yes only Vucinic next to him?

How many times did you see Matri on the right flank trying to cross to NO ONE against Siena and Parma? I lost count to be honest.

But hey, in the end you can BLINDLY trust Conte, I will not. I doubted his tactical intelligence from day one and now I am unfortunately seeing what I was fearing.

Because Pepe and Matri were playing better at that time. Hopefully, it's just a drop in form for both of them, but what I actually see is them overachieving at that time and coming back to their usual ones.

Pepe and Matri were playing better because the fucking formation SUITS them more. It's not that hard to understand.

 

[vodka]

Let's bring the real one Super Mario- Gomez. He would be awesome as he don't waste his chances. Bundesliga experts could help with more details, but I think Gomez is an amazing forward

 

[JCK]

I agree that the 4-3-3 is way better.. It also give players like Marchisio more space to take in the attacking area.. But I also agree that Conte can't be the one to blame for the players missing the chances..

But he can take the blame for not doing something about it.

 

[Sarunas]

We scored 30 goals in 16 matches with the 4-3-3 that is just less than 2 goals per match.
Pepe and Matri were playing better because the fucking formation SUITS them more. It's not that hard to understand.

Or formation seemed better because they were playing better. As far as this season is concerned, before the start of it most of the people were thinking that top 3 finish is hardly achievable. Now that is almost achieved and the club is going in the right direction. The missed chances will only show the weaknesses and hopefully they will be improved. And yes, I am happy that Conte is using more than one formation as in the long term it will only create more headaches for the opponents.

 

[Juve_fanatic]

Tonight's game is a game in which if we win we well definitely not draw or loose.......

 

[vodka]

Tonight's game is a game in which if we win we well definitely not draw or loose.......

w00t? How is that possible?

 

[Fake Melo]

It worked one time, can you give me more examples on much successful that thing was? I can see NINE fucking other draws. Why I said 9, because I did not count that one draw against Napoli.

Against Roma we scored at 61' before makng subs. Against Milan (2-0), we made one sub, Giaccherini for Krasic. Then we scored at 88'. Against Fiorentina we had 1-1 till 65' when Matri scored his second. NO subs till 70 minutes.

I don't see where this is going to be honest.

 

[Oggy]

Winner or not, that is awful formation by Conte.

 

[JCK]

Against Roma we scored at 61' before makng subs. Against Milan (2-0), we made one sub, Giaccherini for Krasic. Then we scored at 88'. Against Fiorentina we had 1-1 till 65' when Matri scored his second. NO subs till 70 minutes.

I don't see where this is going to be honest.

Cup matches. Next. Your argument works only on Fiorentina. The same thing I told you about when you mentioned Napoli. ONE GAME.

It is not going anywhere. You blame the players I blame Conte, we just have to agree to disagree.

Or formation seemed better because they were playing better. As far as this season is concerned, before the start of it most of the people were thinking that top 3 finish is hardly achievable. Now that is almost achieved and the club is going in the right direction. The missed chances will only show the weaknesses and hopefully they will be improved. And yes, I am happy that Conte is using more than one formation as in the long term it will only create more headaches for the opponents.

The players were playing better ONLY because the other formations SUITED THEM MORE. How hard is that to understand? Some players are suited more for formations more than others.

Melo gave me an example of Lippi's 3-5-2 but he forgot that we had Pessotto and Birindelli who are two players DESIGNED to play in a 3-5-2.

 

[Sarunas]

Leaving alone Pepe, why do you believe Matri is better in 4-3-3 than in 3-5-2? At this point, you opinion is not an argument.

 

[Fake Melo]

Cup matches. Next. Your argument works only on Fiorentina. The same thing I told you about when you mentioned Napoli. ONE GAME.

It is not going anywhere. You blame the players I blame Conte, we just have to agree to disagree.

All three were Serie-A matches, but yeah we'll have to agree to disagree.

I am not blindly following Conte, but I expected top three before the season, right now he is doing so well that I can't blame him for couple of matches. If I expected the Scudetto before the season, I'd be singing a different tune right now. So far so good for me.

 

[JCK]

All three were Serie-A matches, but yeah we'll have to agree to disagree.

I am not blindly following Conte, but I expected top three before the season, right now he is doing so well that I can't blame him for couple of matches. If I expected the Scudetto before the season, I'd be singing a different tune right now. So far so good for me.

I expected seventh place but what is going on is not acceptable. When things work for you, you simply don't waste your chances.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

Conte has done fantastic, I would have been really happy with top 3. But when you do have a chance to win the leauge, you should not make to many wrong moves. And that he is doing with the 3-5-2 IMO and some stupid subs (playing Boriello insted of Del Piero etc.) We finally have a very good chance at winning the Scudetto. Milan have CL and so many players out. Inter have Ranieri and are done. Napoli are using the energy in CL. Roma are going up and down every round. Udinese will not be there in the last run with Isla out a month and Di Natale (out for some weeks IIRC) and finally Lazio who will finish 4 or 5'th anyway.. We really got a chance on the title.. Dont blow it!

 

[Azzurri7]

Melo, no offense but you can't win the subs argument. And you shouldn't defend Conte's subs and his timing.

10 draws more than half of them Conte was supposed to make early subs but he underestimated his average opponents and gambled on them the same way he gambled against Milan in the first game (when we were lucky thanks to Bonera's fuck up).

We have the best bench in Italy and top 3 in Europe, if you don't want to use them and trust their abilities then when we draw there's no one to blame but Conte.
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Like Jack said last week, if there's a chance to win the Scudetto then it should be this year. It can't get any better when looking at our opponents struggling weekly while Milan have had a half squad in the medical room + playing CL.

 

[JCK]

Leaving alone Pepe, why do you believe Matri is better in 4-3-3 than in 3-5-2? At this point, you opinion is not an argument.

In the 4-3-3 Matri was more seen in the box as there were two players occupying the sides, Vucinic and Pepe. Matri is a better player in the box because he has a goal instinct. In the 3-5-2 we see Matri often on the right side, Lichtsteiner is not suited on the side and thus Matri is forced to fill that space. I lost count on the amount of times Matri was on the right trying to cross and there was no one in the box.

Marchisio is another player who got destroyed in the idiot 3-5-2, he had a lot of space to wonder into but with the 3-5-2 Conte added TWO players for him that occupy part of his space. How many times have you seen Marchisio run to the opponents box against Siena and Parma? I remember once against Parma but not more. How much did he used to do it before in the 4-3-3?

 

[Fake Melo]

Melo, no offense but you can't win the subs argument. And you shouldn't defend Conte's subs and his timing.

10 draws more than half of them Conte was supposed to make early subs but he underestimated his average opponents and gambled on them the same way he gambled against Milan in the first game (when we were lucky thanks to Bonera's fuck up).

We have the best bench in Italy and top 3 in Europe, if you don't want to use them and trust their abilities then when we draw there's no one to blame but Conte.
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Like Jack said last week, if there's a chance to win the Scudetto then it should be this year. It can't get any better when looking at our opponents struggling weekly while Milan have had a half squad in the medical room + playing CL.

Making subs isn't the recipe to winning matches in EVERY circumstance. That's my stance on this.