[Serie A] Juventus 2-3 Napoli, Oct 31st, 2009 (30 Viewers)

Juve - Napoli [Matchday 11] : Man of the Match

  • Buffon

  • Grygera

  • Cannavaro

  • Chiellini

  • Grosso

  • Poulsen

  • Melo

  • Diego

  • Giovinco

  • Camoranesi

  • Trezeguet

  • Tiago

  • De Ceglie

  • Amauri

  • Ferrara

  • Hamsik

  • Datolo

  • Mazzarri

  • Sissoko


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Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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That's what I'm saying though. That was a completely different squad. A squad with players of a much better mentallity. Doesn't it have anything to do with the strength of the players?
Are you telling me you need Zambrotta-Thuram-Cannavaro-Pessotto if you're going to have any hope of not conceding 3 goals in 30 minutes? Don't be ridiculous. Capello had better players, but above all he knew how to instill them with the right attitude. We already won the match for fricks sake, only a team seriously lacking in mental strength will be beaten like that.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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And another thing. People seem to think that adding good players magically makes the squad good, something apparently which the coach has very little influence upon. Well didn't we just add Diego and Melo? And did they make the difference? Weren't they both on the pitch when those 3 goals were lost? We maxed out our financial resources this summer, we HAVE no way of buying more players. So what do you suggest we do? Sit around waiting until that glorious moment when we'll be able to afford the most expensive squad in the league?
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
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If a manager can't do this, then who can? Under Capello these things didn't happen. We were really solid, we would not let a victory slip, let alone concede 3 goals after the match had already been "won" by a 2 goal cushion! Let's face it, Napoli is not Inter. It's understandable to lose an advantage against a big club, but we have to be able to beat the Napolis of this world if we are to accomplish anything.
Very good points.
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
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And another thing. People seem to think that adding good players magically makes the squad good, something apparently which the coach has very little influence upon. Well didn't we just add Diego and Melo? And did they make the difference? Weren't they both on the pitch when those 3 goals were lost? We maxed out our financial resources this summer, we HAVE no way of buying more players. So what do you suggest we do? Sit around waiting until that glorious moment when we'll be able to afford the most expensive squad in the league?
We wait till Mourinhos contract ends :D
 

Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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Are you telling me you need Zambrotta-Thuram-Cannavaro-Pessotto if you're going to have any hope of not conceding 3 goals in 30 minutes? Don't be ridiculous. Capello had better players, but above all he knew how to instill them with the right attitude. We already won the match for fricks sake, only a team seriously lacking in mental strength will be beaten like that.
No, what I'm saying is the players we don't need, the Tiagos and Grygeras of our squad. They have a lay down Sally mentallity that is contageous in a playing group.
What do you think Capello did? Make an inspiring and long speech every half time of every game? That back four was excellent, especially in their mentallity and proffesionalism. Something which our squad currently lacks because of only a few players. When we talk about the attitude of a team we talk about their collective mentallity and we have way to much dead weight in our squad to achieve that.
I don't get exactly what people want from managers. They don't know what they want, because they don't know what its like in those locker rooms in the first place.
 

V

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Jun 8, 2005
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I actually feel a lot better when a day passes after such a loss. There's so much lols going around here. I love this forum.

On a serioius note; sack Zero Horroro and pay off Tiago's contract. That outta fix a few things.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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No, what I'm saying is the players we don't need, the Tiagos and Grygeras of our squad. They have a lay down Sally mentallity that is contageous in a playing group.
What do you think Capello did? Make an inspiring and long speech every half time of every game? That back four was excellent, especially in their mentallity and proffesionalism. Something which our squad currently lacks because of only a few players. When we talk about the attitude of a team we talk about their collective mentallity and we have way to much dead weight in our squad to achieve that.
I don't get exactly what people want from managers. They don't know what they want, because they don't know what its like in those locker rooms in the first place.
So let me get this straight. If Capello had a couple of players like Tiago and Grygera on the bench, these people with their pushover attitude would infect the whole squad and bring it down to mediocrity? So given that every club has this "dead weight", why isn't it happening to everyone?
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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So let me get this straight. If Capello had a couple of players like Tiago and Grygera on the bench, these people with their pushover attitude would infect the whole squad and bring it down to mediocrity? So given that every club has this "dead weight", why isn't it happening to everyone?
I'm guessing they have discovered a cure, but we haven't?
 

Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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So let me get this straight. If Capello had a couple of players like Tiago and Grygera on the bench, these people with their pushover attitude would infect the whole squad and bring it down to mediocrity? So given that every club has this "dead weight", why isn't it happening to everyone?
Who's the dead weight at Inter? As far as I'm concerned the players they're fielding are either very talented (unlike Tiago) or more proffessional (unlike Tiago).
I'm not saying conceding 3 goals in 20 minutes is acceptable at all. I'm just saying why is Ciro the scapegoat when I saw it unfold infront of my eyes at the hands of the players? They chose not to run and they chose not to be desperate enough to cover a player or just clear the damn ball.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Who's the dead weight at Inter? As far as I'm concerned the players they're fielding are either very talented (unlike Tiago) or more proffessional (unlike Tiago).
I'm not saying conceding 3 goals in 20 minutes is acceptable at all. I'm just saying why is Ciro the scapegoat when I saw it unfold infront of my eyes at the hands of the players? They chose not to run and they chose not to be desperate enough to cover a player or just clear the damn ball.
And this is something the coach has no impact on? Only "very talented" players are capable of chasing the ball? FYI Tiago was extremely revered for his professionalism at Lyon, somewhat like Marchisio has been for us this season. So it's not like he's incapable of this.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Last night defeat was in no way Ferrara's fault. We are coming from a convincing victory over a good side sampdoria thrashing them 5-1, then leading 2-0 in the 2nd half vs Napoli, only individual mistakes can make you loose such a game, unfortunately we had too many individual mistakes.

Ferrara's disposal wasn't a good option to pick from as-well. Amauri was forced to play in the last min as he was sick and others can't fill Sissoko, Marchisio, Del Piero and Iaquinta's place.

Ferrara started the formation well with a weak bench, and the likes of Cannavaro and Grosso should have enough experience to solve the things on the field and organize things immediately because from the outside there's not much Ferrara can do.

And the Capello, Ranieri Ferrara comparison wouldn't work, specially in our case, because it's completely different era different problems different solutions etc...
 

Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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And this is something the coach has no impact on? Only "very talented" players are capable of chasing the ball? FYI Tiago was extremely revered for his professionalism at Lyon, somewhat like Marchisio has been for us this season. So it's not like he's incapable of this.
Clearly at Juventus he is.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Clearly at Juventus he is.
So you admit it's not the player who's the problem here, is it? Since he used to it, but he's no longer doing it. It seems to reason there is something in the environment that is not pushing him to do this.. like I dunno.. a coach?
 

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