[Serie A] Juventus 2-3 Napoli, Oct 31st, 2009 (1 Viewer)

[classicalmania]

I know..... but will we have our team complete?

With more than 50m eur spent, it looks like our team still can't function at all when 2 of Del Piero- Sissoko- Chiellini aren't playing. It's November and Ale and Sissoko still can't recover. The moment they did, another injury hit them. Now Sissoko is out for November too. Imagine if the same happens to Ale
There will be no way for a comeback anymore.

Totally agree. We are a big team with a lot of depth (on paper) and having injured players should not be an excuse. Inter also suffered the same injury problems like us but they still keep winning. IMO the problem is more due to tactical decisions and players' motivation.

 

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[Azzurri7]

I know..... but will we have our team complete?

With more than 50m eur spent, it looks like our team still can't function at all when 2 of Del Piero- Sissoko- Chiellini aren't playing. It's November and Ale and Sissoko still can't recover. The moment they did, another injury hit them. Now Sissoko is out for November too. Imagine if the same happens to Ale
There will be no way for a comeback anymore.

True and sad at the same time.

Did you notice something in last night's game? Did you notice the oxygen and water we were giving to Napoli's Lavezzi and Hamsik when we didn't stop down the rhythm of their attack , but instead asking them to attack more, I think you know what I'm hinting at, yes, Del Piero was missed last night, so bad.

What Del Piero makes seems easy to us but so important and hard, the way he falls down, knows how to get fouled, at the same time let our players rest, he bores our opponents sometimes that it cuts off thier hunger of attacking.... these small details may not seem important to some but they win you games.

Give the ball to Del Piero when you're leading 2-1 or 2-0 and he'll get you fouls and cut off their hunger of our opponents nonstop attacking waves.

 

[lil zlatan]

Ratings from la stampa.

Buffon 6

Grygera 5,5
Cannavaro 5
Chiellini 5
Grosso 5

Felipe Melo 4,5
Poulsen 5,5
Camoranesi 6,5
Diego 4,5
Giovinco 5,5

Trezeguet 6

De Ceglie 6
Amauri 4
Tiago 4,5

 

[sateeh]

I want him to install winning mentality, never give up and never stop attitude. I don't want our players to completely give up after leading 1:0 against Chievo and Bologna, I don't want our players to defend for 30 minutes a 1:1 draw at home against Fiorentina, I don't want our players to be losing 2:0 in Palermo and keep playing nonchalantly, bloodlessly, as if they're satisfied with the defeat.
Ranieri couldn't do it. The players acted as if they didn't care, and they really didn't care judging by the way they played under Ranieri in the later part of last year's season.

Ferrara was supposed to change that and he didn't. It's even worse now because now we have better players (Diego, Melo, Grosso, Cannavaro are all better than what we had last year) and we still act like perennial losers.

I can't explain it tbh. We do exactly that against Sampdoria and then we come here and do that last night. I know what you mean but to instill that mentality in a team they need to have confidence in eachother and that seems to be missing. A combination of the missed passes, chances with mistakes has led to that. On multiple occasions i see Diego or Melo dribbling instead of passing the ball. This team hasn't gelled yet and its hurting us and ciro can do shit mentally if they don't have confidence in eachother. We don't have any real leaders on the field and that is another point, we are missing alex more than anytime before.

This is a low point for this team, and i know any excuse we can conjure is frankly lame. We need a sustained reaction both in the league and the CL because we are losing our credentials. These teams that were pissing their pants playing us are not anymore and we need to remind them.

 

[RavaneVialli]

Ratings from la stampa.

Buffon 6

Grygera 5,5
Cannavaro 5
Chiellini 5
Grosso 5

Felipe Melo 4,5
Poulsen 5,5
Camoranesi 6,5
Diego 4,5
Giovinco 5,5

Trezeguet 6

De Ceglie 6
Amauri 4
Tiago 4,5

Not reliable ratings.

 

[Alen]

True and sad at the same time.

Did you notice something in last night's game? Did you notice the oxygen and water we were giving to Napoli's Lavezzi and Hamsik when we didn't stop down the rhythm of their attack , but instead asking them to attack more, I think you know what I'm hinting at, yes, Del Piero was missed last night, so bad.

What Del Piero makes seems easy to us but so important and hard, the way he falls down, knows how to get fouled, at the same time let our players rest, he bores our opponents sometimes that it cuts off thier hunger of attacking.... these small details may not seem important to some but they win you games.

Give the ball to Del Piero when you're leading 2-1 or 2-0 and he'll get you fouls and cut off their hunger of our opponents nonstop attacking waves.

Yeah, something that looks very simple but, yet, not everyone knows how and when to do it. Only great players are doing it.
Which brings the question....Why isn't Diego doing that?
Very technical player, pure number 10 that shouldn't have problems holding the ball, winning fouls and killing the rhythm. Young, but still with enough experience from playing Bundesliga, Portuguese league, UEFA Cup and CL. Why doesn't he take things in his own hands and at least TRY to do that?

I hate to use Inter as an example. Local bullies with no success at all outside their league, and yet the time came when we can learn something from them.
Against Palermo they started losing it and they'd have completely lost it. Then, due to Eto's injury, not due to Mourinho's genius, Thiago Motta replaced Eto'o, and things changed.
A nobody like Thiago Motta slowed down the tempo, started winning tons of fouls and even making fouls far from Inter's part of the pitch, when there was a danger of a counter attack. Palermo were flying high after scoring 3 goals and only slowing down the tempo could help Inter. A no-one like Thiago Motta knew how to do it. He knew how to do what, apparently, noone in Juve apart from Del Piero can do.

 

[bomberace7]

Absolutely gutted!!!!! 2-0 up, took the foot of the pedal, let Napoli gather momentum, game over!!! Tiago's clearance was more than laughable! We can kiss the Scudetto goodbye now. That lose will hurt big!!!

 

[rounder]

True and sad at the same time.

Did you notice something in last night's game? Did you notice the oxygen and water we were giving to Napoli's Lavezzi and Hamsik when we didn't stop down the rhythm of their attack , but instead asking them to attack more, I think you know what I'm hinting at, yes, Del Piero was missed last night, so bad.

What Del Piero makes seems easy to us but so important and hard, the way he falls down, knows how to get fouled, at the same time let our players rest, he bores our opponents sometimes that it cuts off thier hunger of attacking.... these small details may not seem important to some but they win you games.

Give the ball to Del Piero when you're leading 2-1 or 2-0 and he'll get you fouls and cut off their hunger of our opponents nonstop attacking waves.

That's very true.

Giovinco is good at getting us fouls; the problem is, he doesn't get us fouled deilberately the way Alex used to. Giovinco and Diego both want to create chances everytime they get the ball. It's admirable in a way, but this could/will cost us points as you pointed out.

Del piero was so good at shaving precious seconds of the clock, giving our boys a break, destroying the attacking tempo of the game, and discouraging the opposition. In that respect, Ale is irreplacable. Our squad is relatively young, they want to prove themselves and create something special every chance they get.

There's no problem with that, but we need the old veteran to show them some realism and professionalism sometimes.

 

[rounder]

Absolutely gutted!!!!! 2-0 up, took the foot of the pedal, let Napoli gather momentum, game over!!! Tiago's clearance was more than laughable! We can kiss the Scudetto goodbye now. That lose will hurt big!!!

Even if we had won that game, I don't think we would have won the Scudetto. Inter are still ahead of us in some respects. Our problem is one all too common in modern football, consistency. We don't have it, Inter do.

We have a better chance at winning cup competitions because we do possess sheer quality in all departments given the right conditioning and motivation. I'm convinced that we're capable of defeating any time in Europe. In serie A, it takes patience, experience, stability, and depth. We are missing most, if not all of those factors.

 

[Stephan]

We lost this match because of Tiago. I wouldnt even feel pissed if we had drawn 2-2. I would have taken it, considering Napoli is on a rise. 1 point is better than nothing.

 

[Nenz]

I want him to install winning mentality, never give up and never stop attitude. I don't want our players to completely give up after leading 1:0 against Chievo and Bologna, I don't want our players to defend for 30 minutes a 1:1 draw at home against Fiorentina, I don't want our players to be losing 2:0 in Palermo and keep playing nonchalantly, bloodlessly, as if they're satisfied with the defeat.
Ranieri couldn't do it. The players acted as if they didn't care, and they really didn't care judging by the way they played under Ranieri in the later part of last year's season.

Ferrara was supposed to change that and he didn't. It's even worse now because now we have better players (Diego, Melo, Grosso, Cannavaro are all better than what we had last year) and we still act like perennial losers.

I think we're making the mistake of over-estimating the ability coaches have to inspire their players in the 'smaller' matches. He didn't know how bad they were going to play in the change rooms at half time and by the time they're out on the pitch what do we want him to do? Do we have to ask managers to think for the players now a days? Must a manager tell players how to feel? You'd think that effort was a prerequisite before you even put on the jersey.

Two managers have tried, and so far two managers have failed. At the end of the day it comes down to the team.

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

When I found out.....I was at rage. I did't care of Dinamo's loss to Hajduk....I was angry at 2-0 throw-down in Turin. I must admit,it's time to sack Ciro. I was first at chanting for him as head coach of Juve but now I see we all made a mistake. Nothing is impossible,only miracles take a bit longer. Longer is a phrase that we cannot afford any more in terms of time.

 

[Snoop]

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[Martin]

I think we're making the mistake of over-estimating the ability coaches have to inspire their players in the 'smaller' matches. He didn't know how bad they were going to play in the change rooms at half time and by the time they're out on the pitch what do we want him to do? Do we have to ask managers to think for the players now a days? Must a manager tell players how to feel? You'd think that effort was a prerequisite before you even put on the jersey.

Two managers have tried, and so far two managers have failed. At the end of the day it comes down to the team.

If a manager can't do this, then who can? Under Capello these things didn't happen. We were really solid, we would not let a victory slip, let alone concede 3 goals after the match had already been "won" by a 2 goal cushion! Let's face it, Napoli is not Inter. It's understandable to lose an advantage against a big club, but we have to be able to beat the Napolis of this world if we are to accomplish anything.

 

[Azzurri7]

Yeah, something that looks very simple but, yet, not everyone knows how and when to do it. Only great players are doing it.
Which brings the question....Why isn't Diego doing that?
Very technical player, pure number 10 that shouldn't have problems holding the ball, winning fouls and killing the rhythm. Young, but still with enough experience from playing Bundesliga, Portuguese league, UEFA Cup and CL. Why doesn't he take things in his own hands and at least TRY to do that?

I hate to use Inter as an example. Local bullies with no success at all outside their league, and yet the time came when we can learn something from them.
Against Palermo they started losing it and they'd have completely lost it. Then, due to Eto's injury, not due to Mourinho's genius, Thiago Motta replaced Eto'o, and things changed.
A nobody like Thiago Motta slowed down the tempo, started winning tons of fouls and even making fouls far from Inter's part of the pitch, when there was a danger of a counter attack. Palermo were flying high after scoring 3 goals and only slowing down the tempo could help Inter. A no-one like Thiago Motta knew how to do it. He knew how to do what, apparently, noone in Juve apart from Del Piero can do.

I still think Diego has a lot to learn from Del Piero despite playing in Bundesliga and other competitions, he's pure number 10 but he not as smart as Del Piero. He doesn't lack anything though apart from this.

As to your Thiago Motta example, I saw it and as sad as it sounds I can't deny it.

That's very true.

Giovinco is good at getting us fouls; the problem is, he doesn't get us fouled deilberately the way Alex used to. Giovinco and Diego both want to create chances everytime they get the ball. It's admirable in a way, but this could/will cost us points as you pointed out.

Del piero was so good at shaving precious seconds of the clock, giving our boys a break, destroying the attacking tempo of the game, and discouraging the opposition. In that respect, Ale is irreplacable. Our squad is relatively young, they want to prove themselves and create something special every chance they get.

There's no problem with that, but we need the old veteran to show them some realism and professionalism sometimes.

Exactly..... I was screaming while watching the game for someone to at least kill or destroy the goddamn tempo of the game, they were attacking in the 2nd half like it's the end of their world and we welcomed that apparently.

 

[ZAF3000]

True and sad at the same time.

Did you notice something in last night's game? Did you notice the oxygen and water we were giving to Napoli's Lavezzi and Hamsik when we didn't stop down the rhythm of their attack , but instead asking them to attack more, I think you know what I'm hinting at, yes, Del Piero was missed last night, so bad.

What Del Piero makes seems easy to us but so important and hard, the way he falls down, knows how to get fouled, at the same time let our players rest, he bores our opponents sometimes that it cuts off thier hunger of attacking.... these small details may not seem important to some but they win you games.

Give the ball to Del Piero when you're leading 2-1 or 2-0 and he'll get you fouls and cut off their hunger of our opponents nonstop attacking waves.

He would have at least scored one of the free kicks.

 

[Stephan]

If a manager can't do this, then who can? Under Capello these things didn't happen. We were really solid, we would not let a victory slip, let alone concede 3 goals after the match had already been "won" by a 2 goal cushion! Let's face it, Napoli is not Inter. It's understandable to lose an advantage against a big club, but we have to be able to beat the Napolis of this world if we are to accomplish anything.

Now they will tell you that we have many new players and need time to adapt. Inter doesnt seem to have problems adapting to new systems.

 

[Nenz]

If a manager can't do this, then who can? Under Capello these things didn't happen. We were really solid, we would not let a victory slip, let alone concede 3 goals after the match had already been "won" by a 2 goal cushion! Let's face it, Napoli is not Inter. It's understandable to lose an advantage against a big club, but we have to be able to beat the Napolis of this world if we are to accomplish anything.

That's what I'm saying though. That was a completely different squad. A squad with players of a much better mentallity. Doesn't it have anything to do with the strength of the players?

 

[Holdon]

If a manager can't do this, then who can? Under Capello these things didn't happen. We were really solid, we would not let a victory slip, let alone concede 3 goals after the match had already been "won" by a 2 goal cushion! Let's face it, Napoli is not Inter. It's understandable to lose an advantage against a big club, but we have to be able to beat the Napolis of this world if we are to accomplish anything.

Which is why, since we returned to Serie A, we have been nothing more than pretenders. We keep repeating the same mistakes and haven't progressed as we should've.