[Serie A] JUVENTUS 1-1 Bologna (21-Sep-2011) (41 Viewers)

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Mauri84

Junior Member
Sep 11, 2011
185
We actually played really well in the second half. With the right substitutions and a bit of luck, we really should have won.

Buffon: 5.5 - the goal wasn't his fault. It looked like he was a bit off balance, we didn't have a man on the post and the marking was poor. He made a good save after De Ceglie's mistake just before the goal too. Unfortunate. Apart from that he didn't have a great deal of involvement.

Lichtsteiner: 6.5 - played really well, and barely put a foot wrong. He was consistently better at attacking down the right than both Pepe and Krasic, even stealing the ball from Pepe at one stage, beating two defenders and putting in a good cross.

Barzagli: 6.5 - Played well, continuing the good start he's made to the season. He's been better than Chiellini for the past two matches.

Chiellini: 5 - his marking was suspect, and he tried to do a bit too much. Made some good tackles, but also some pretty stupid ones.

De Ceglie: 6.5 (-2) - he was actually doing really well up until his bonehead mistake. He was covering his man well, getting involved in the attack, winning fouls and putting in good crosses. But if you make a mistake like that, all of that goes out the window. Why the heck would you try controlling it with your chest when there's a player breathing down your neck, instead of heading it back to the keeper?

Krasic: 5.5 - not crap, but a somewhat lacking performance, at a time when he really needed to step it up. Had some decent interchanges, particularly with Vucinic, but overall he looked very rusty, couldn't even use his bread and butter moves and kept losing the ball or dribbling it out. Had a good shot at goal that brought out a save, and was unlucky not to score the winner.

Marchisio: 3.5 - I didn't think this was possible, but he played even worse than against Siena. Failed to impose himself, barely made a forward pass all game, constantly screwed up our attacks with bad touches or hesitation. The criticism of Marchisio is quickly turning from "he's invisible" to "he just plain sucks". And this is coming from someone who likes the player. That weird toe poke/chip that went 5 metres up in the air and out for a throw-in summed up his performance.

Pirlo: 8.5 - pure class. Got the assist with a cheeky quick free kick, and pulled all the strings all match. He set up about 3-4 more good scoring opportunities, slowed the game down and took control when we were under pressure, lost possession I think once in the whole match (right at the end) and made about 15 passes that made me say 'wow' out loud.

Pepe: 5 - typical Pepe performance. Worked hard tracking back as always, but was useless in attack. Someone needs to tell him to stop trying to dribble past his man, because he can't do it. He even tried beating two defenders at one stage. His crosses were mostly awful throughout the match. It's really sad that he's still playing 90 minutes for us.

Del Piero: 5 - had a good chance right at the start and showed some good understanding with Vucinic, but didn't get to do much else since he was subbed off at half-time.

Vucinic: 6.5 (-1.5) - like De Ceglie, he was playing well before his calamitous mistake. He was getting involved in all of our attacks, putting in some really nice passes, working well with Del Piero and Krasic, and of course scored the goal. To be fair to him the first yellow he got wasn't a yellow at all, but to make that kind of challenge, just before half time, when you're already on a booking, in a non-dangerous position, was just pure stupidity.

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Matri: 7 - Who called me an idiot in the live match thread for saying that Matri was a better choice for lone striker than Quag? I was really impressed with Matri. He received the ball well up front by himself, fought well, held it up, didn't lose possession and always managed to lay it off to a supporting player. Unfortunately he didn't get a lot of scoring opportunities, and the one he did get was quite a difficult one.

Giaccherini: 6 - it's not his fault, but he's just not good enough. He's fast and works hard, but he lacks creativity, and his dribbling and passing are atrocious. To his credit he did put in a couple of good crosses, but you can just see from watching him that he's just not that talented.

Vidal: 5 - didn't do much, but then again he was played at LB. If this continues, Vidal is going to seriously regretting joining us instead of Bayern. Still, he made some bad challenges, and was pretty sloppy with his control and the couple of passes he made. He did put in two good tackles.

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Conte: 4.5 - the team played well in the second half and overall I like the mentality and fighting spirit he's instilled in the team, but in the match itself his selection/subs were all wrong. I can understand starting out the match with Pepe, but persisting with Marchisio, Pepe and Giaccherini is idiotic. When he subbed Arturo on for De Ceglie I thought he was showing some balls by playing a 3-5-1 and dominating the midfield, but he just slotted Vidal in at LB. Vidal should have been subbed on for Marchisio much earlier, and Krasic should have been replaced by Esti or Elia.

Referee: 3 - got it all wrong. Gave two stupid yellow cards to Vucinic and Pepe early on, allowed our goal which shouldn't have stood because the ball was moving when Pirlo took the free kick, and worst of all he totally screwed up by not sending Vucinic off and just giving him a warning, then pulling out the yellow card about ten seconds later under pressure from the Bologna players and coaching staff, and presumably the man on the radio. He should be demoted to Serie C for a few weeks.

Bonucci: 10 - stood up for the team when Bologna were being tools. Provided the best laugh of the game, except at the end when three players were down and it looked like this:

Giving Conte a 3 tells me you haven't seen the game and don't know winners mentality. Without Conte playing pressure we sure as hell would have lost this game.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Giving Conte a 3 tells me you haven't seen the game and don't know winners mentality. Without Conte playing pressure we sure as hell would have lost this game.
We might have drew this match under Delneri as well, but we would have done it with 35% second half possession looking like the team that was hanging on for the point, rather than the other way around.
 

Mauri84

Junior Member
Sep 11, 2011
185
We might have drew this match under Delneri as well, but we would have done it with 35% second half possession looking like the team that was hanging on for the point, rather than the other way around.
You're right but i think if we haven't got the red card we would have hold on to the lead. Vucinic really should be sanctioned. He's got that crazy Roman mentality which we loose points because of it.
 

Roman

-'Tuz Fantasy Master-
Apr 19, 2003
10,778
Well, most of the things has been said. The result is extremely disappointing especially for what indirectly caused it but seeing this team fight for three points the way they did is refreshing. Gillet probably played the game of his life and it was impossible to put anything past him tonight yet we kept on testing him to the limits. Even though we had the upper hand in the first half, I thought we were weak in the middle but thanks to Pirlo we were able to deliver the balls forward.

I don't understand the substitutions and even of Matri and Giaccherini did more than I expected, I will not say that Quagliarella or Elia would have done better. Theoretically they would have but we cannot tell. The Vidal sub seems out of hands and it was just forced on Conte.

For the third match in a row Barzagli has been surprisingly brilliant and Pirlo closer to being totally dependant on him which can be extremely worrying.

Buffon 6

Lichtsteiner 7
Barzagli 7
Chiellini 5.5
De Ceglie 4.5

Krasic 6
Marchisio 5
Pirlo 7
Pepe 6

Del Piero 5
Vucinic 6.5

Matri 6.5
Giaccherini 6.5
Vidal 5.5
Completely agree with the ratings.
:tup:
So when do we play next game, Saturday or Sunday? And what about the postponed Udinese game?
Sunday away vs Catania.
15:00 CET
 

gray

Senior Member
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Apr 22, 2003
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Giving Conte a 3 tells me you haven't seen the game and don't know winners mentality. Without Conte playing pressure we sure as hell would have lost this game.
I gave him a low rating for this particular match, not the background work he's been doing with the team and the mentality he's instilled in them, which is clearly a huge improvement.

It's stupid to give a coach's rating based on his whole season's work, because by that logic he should receive the same rating every match.
 

Mauri84

Junior Member
Sep 11, 2011
185
I gave him a low rating for this particular match, not the background work he's been doing with the team and the mentality he's instilled in them, which is clearly a huge improvement.

It's stupid to give a coach's rating based on his whole season's work, because by that logic he should receive the same rating every match.
No i agree on that but i was talking about this match also. I think that with Conte putting the pressure on Bologna the intire match prevented us loosing this match and with some luck we would have won. Conte was clearly upset by the result. He wanted to take risk with that substitute and that's Juve worthy if you ask me.
 

v1rtu4l

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2008
6,349
Yeah he did lose the ball over the backline two times I think. But he also had a shot on the post and excellent short passing.
you forget to mention the two or more times he chose to receive the ball outside of the pitch after the ball bounced past the sidelines, instead of just receiving it on knee-height while the ball is still in the game.

excellent short passing and krasic in one sentence is a paradoxon in himself. at times played the ball back to somewhere lichtsteiner could not receive it and so starting a counter for them, while our complete right side would be exposed, because lichtsteiner actually thought he would get the ball played to and not krasic playing the ball somewhere where the opponent stands (situation where krasic receives the ball out on the right and full backs tend to overlap, so krasic should have played it to the side or into space, but he chose to play it to the middle where lichtsteiner never could have gotten it and it was intercepted)

he did not have his worst game, for sure but it was not even standard for my liking. comparing him to pepe to justify saying krasic was good is just ridiculous
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,395
JCK, whats the top rating in your system ?
It is match and result dependant. For a player to get a 10 he has to play a perfect match. An example of a 10 is Zidane in the 1998 World Cup final. A 9 is Nedved in the CL semi final against Real Madrid.
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
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One thing I would like to add is that for the first 3 games this season Juve is playing what actually looks like football, unlike the previous two seasons
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
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Yeah, whats with these half arsed polls? All players should be added for an equal and fair choice for the users, afterall we had 11 players in the match. Not 3 :D
Others didn't deserve to be there.

The laziness can be seen in calling one of the players Lich.
Lol, good call. Not even Licht. But Lich!
I did it, fine, I DID IT! :D

I know you still love me, though.
 

Mauri84

Junior Member
Sep 11, 2011
185
Catania away sunday will be a very difficult game. They have good players and fight for every meter. We need to play a great game or i can't see us winning there.
 

v1rtu4l

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2008
6,349
Giach barely crossed the ball at all. He looks like the least confident crosser of the ball I have seen in that position always choosing to center it to an under pressure Pirlo or Marchisio. I can barely remember one of his crosses tonight but I do remember plenty of times where he got himself into crossing positions, only to pass it back to midfield. Krasic dribbled it out what, once or twice at the beginning of his first start? He got himself into space plenty of times and had two shots on goal. His runs were well timed and dangerous. If Giach made crosses, they probably didn't end up with chances on goal or they would have been noticeable. Giach worked his arse off and I give him that but he is just not confident he doesn't look like a winger to me.
sorry to hear you missed the match =(

giaccherini had at least 3 good crosses (astoudingly with his left foot)... one of them was headed by chiellini on goal iirc
 

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