[Serie A] JUVENTUS 1-1 Bologna (21-Sep-2011) (27 Viewers)

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Parma and Siena both played 4-4-2, so Juve could take them on with Pirlo and Marchisio not being outnumbered in midfield.

Bologna are going to play three in midfield, which could make it harder for Juve to play through that area.

If I was Conte, I think I'd be tempted to start with Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal, to ensure Juve can control that are of the pitch.
 

Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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It's interesting how you use the word 'tangible' because anyone can see passes, crosses, tackles, dribbles and shots, and judge a player based on those. Like the Parma game for example. He did those things, so we can say without any ambiguity that he had a good game. He had a free game. We were at home and it was a 4-1 result, could have been 7-1.

Away from home at Siena, we kept a clean sheet, gave them no real chances, yet he's still playing in a two man central midfield with a player who offers next to nothing defensively. I said in my match notes that he struggled in one on one situations, that he didn't want to make any tackles and just jockeyed his man. He also didn't commit himself too far forward. He didn't make those surging runs into the box. That's not because he forgot how to do it or couldn't be bothered, it's the set up of the team. The midfield from a tactical point of view was successful as it protected the defense for most of the game, that includes Marchisio not leaving Pirlo isolated and facing dribblers, and also a strong contribution from Pepe and lesser so Giaccherini. It also had sufficient attacking opportunities to create chances, just that Pepe and Giaccherini spurned most of them in kind. Ideally we'd have a player who can do both, but there is no Nedved or Camoranesi available to us. That game suited this approach. It also has to be said that Siena are have scoring problems.

I'd be quite surprised if the Bologna game is similar, they will probably have three CM's and break when they can, so in that respect it might be better to have the cut and thrust of Vidal and more offensively biased wide men. But Marchisio has also shown that he is not limited in this respect. I also want to see Vidal play a protective role at some point, a role he has played for other teams before.
Damn, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you have watched football before :shocked:
 

DIECI

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Jul 12, 2011
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No Vidal,Elia :sergio: at least K.. is there :shifty:
ahh cmon!!! Vidal please! He brings such an energy whenever he's on the field, he fights for everything and should start!!! Elia I don't know him much but im intrigued to see him! WHEN??? Maybe Coppa Italia for him huh?? Im so tired of Pepe!
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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It's interesting how you use the word 'tangible' because anyone can see passes, crosses, tackles, dribbles and shots, and judge a player based on those. Like the Parma game for example. He did those things, so we can say without any ambiguity that he had a good game. He had a free game. We were at home and it was a 4-1 result, could have been 7-1.

Away from home at Siena, we kept a clean sheet, gave them no real chances, yet he's still playing in a two man central midfield with a player who offers next to nothing defensively. I said in my match notes that he struggled in one on one situations, that he didn't want to make any tackles and just jockeyed his man. He also didn't commit himself too far forward. He didn't make those surging runs into the box. That's not because he forgot how to do it or couldn't be bothered, it's the set up of the team. The midfield from a tactical point of view was successful as it protected the defense for most of the game, that includes Marchisio not leaving Pirlo isolated and facing dribblers, and also a strong contribution from Pepe and lesser so Giaccherini. It also had sufficient attacking opportunities to create chances, just that Pepe and Giaccherini spurned most of them in kind. Ideally we'd have a player who can do both, but there is no Nedved or Camoranesi available to us. That game suited this approach. It also has to be said that Siena are have scoring problems.

I'd be quite surprised if the Bologna game is similar, they will probably have three CM's and break when they can, so in that respect it might be better to have the cut and thrust of Vidal and more offensively biased wide men. But Marchisio has also shown that he is not limited in this respect. I also want to see Vidal play a protective role at some point, a role he has played for other teams before.
:tup:
 

Hust

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Parma and Siena both played 4-4-2, so Juve could take them on with Pirlo and Marchisio not being outnumbered in midfield.

Bologna are going to play three in midfield, which could make it harder for Juve to play through that area.

If I was Conte, I think I'd be tempted to start with Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal, to ensure Juve can control that are of the pitch.
433 would be great
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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It's interesting how you use the word 'tangible' because anyone can see passes, crosses, tackles, dribbles and shots, and judge a player based on those. Like the Parma game for example. He did those things, so we can say without any ambiguity that he had a good game. He had a free game. We were at home and it was a 4-1 result, could have been 7-1.

Away from home at Siena, we kept a clean sheet, gave them no real chances, yet he's still playing in a two man central midfield with a player who offers next to nothing defensively. I said in my match notes that he struggled in one on one situations, that he didn't want to make any tackles and just jockeyed his man. He also didn't commit himself too far forward. He didn't make those surging runs into the box. That's not because he forgot how to do it or couldn't be bothered, it's the set up of the team. The midfield from a tactical point of view was successful as it protected the defense for most of the game, that includes Marchisio not leaving Pirlo isolated and facing dribblers, and also a strong contribution from Pepe and lesser so Giaccherini. It also had sufficient attacking opportunities to create chances, just that Pepe and Giaccherini spurned most of them in kind. Ideally we'd have a player who can do both, but there is no Nedved or Camoranesi available to us. That game suited this approach. It also has to be said that Siena are have scoring problems.
It does make sense. No doubt about that.

However, we've seen the same style when we saw Marchisio next to Melo in 4-4-2, same Melo who does offer a lot defensively. Or when we saw him in 4-3-3. He was always playing the same so I wouldn't say he's great at covering Pirlo as he's not showing anything more than before. And no, I'm not saying he's bad at it.
 

Dostoevsky

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Parma and Siena both played 4-4-2, so Juve could take them on with Pirlo and Marchisio not being outnumbered in midfield.

Bologna are going to play three in midfield, which could make it harder for Juve to play through that area.

If I was Conte, I think I'd be tempted to start with Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal, to ensure Juve can control that are of the pitch.
Bologna's players aren't quality, though. So I doubt they could use the advantage over it.

At the same time our central duo gets 'crushed' we'd have open wingers that are rather unmarked. It's one of the reasons it's silly to play Pepe for this one IMO.
 

Nzoric

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16:40 got home from a bike ride
16:45-20:45 drink beers and smoke a few cigarettes while listening to the new Mastodon album
20:45 watch Bologna being raped with a deep buzz
 
Aug 17, 2007
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Parma and Siena both played 4-4-2, so Juve could take them on with Pirlo and Marchisio not being outnumbered in midfield.

Bologna are going to play three in midfield, which could make it harder for Juve to play through that area.

If I was Conte, I think I'd be tempted to start with Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal, to ensure Juve can control that are of the pitch.
According to most sites, Bologna will play 4-4-1-1
 
Aug 17, 2007
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Bologna's players aren't quality, though. So I doubt they could use the advantage over it.

At the same time our central duo gets 'crushed' we'd have open wingers that are rather unmarked. It's one of the reasons it's silly to play Pepe for this one IMO.
Mudingayi is tough, Ramirez and Diamanti are good, creative players, and Di Vaio is Di Vaio. And if Marco won't start, Acquafresca knows how to make troubles. They're dangerous.
 

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